***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[nawghtyhare]

What Beto know about 6-4 never dominoe and study long, study wrong

i dont trust a person
who dont know how to play dominoes

 

[Nike Jordan]

Ted Cruz has gotta be shook as **** if he's asking for The Bigot™ to stump for him in Texas, of all places.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Education and mental health services coupled with community investments and further job opportunities will put a dent in prison population.

Criminal justice system needs to be reformed and for profit prisons need to be banned outright.

STRONG punishment for police misconduct and false arrests as well as race based policing and policies will also likely put a dent in prison population while improving the areas where this takes place.




Do you have a source or figure on this? Are you talking about public schools?

From my understanding the majority of funding for public schools comes from sales, income, and property taxes which is why poor areas tend to have poorer conditions and the reverse for areas with more money/higher property taxes.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wherewestand/blog/finance-how-do-we-fund-our-schools/197/

http://www.data-first.org/data/how-...receive-from-federal-state-and-local-sources/

State and local taxes account for most of our education spending. Like around 90 percent.

In fact, charitable donations to public schools have the same problem as relying on property taxes. It helps the rich and hurts the poor. Rich people mainly give to school district their kids go to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/opinion/not-very-giving.html

 

[biggie62]

Workers see their paychecks get smaller as inflation continues to rise https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/10/wor...t-smaller-as-inflation-continues-to-rise.html

Man those tax cuts are sure helping put those extra few bucks into your bank account.

Catch me with that ********.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Guess he needs a distraction again.
He can focus on attacking peaceful protests by (mostly) black athletes and calling for suspensions without pay but not a word about the white supremacist Unite The Right rally in DC this weekend

Those are very fine people. Nothing to see there.

 

[dwalk31]

Do you have a source or figure on this? Are you talking about public schools?

From my understanding the majority of funding for public schools comes from sales, income, and property taxes which is why poor areas tend to have poorer conditions and the reverse for areas with more money/higher property taxes.

I can only provide anecdotal evidence from numerous teachers who say they reach in their own pockets to provide many necessities for their students.

 

[dwalk31]

So what are taxes paying for then? BTW you should send your resume’ to Betsy Devos, she’d love to have you onboard.

Taxes pay for tons of things. No one is advocating zero funding from government. My only point is more pressure on the private sector for education.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Taxes pay for tons of things. No one is advocating zero funding from government. My only point is more pressure on the private sector for education.

Big government not supposed to be telling the private sector what to do, remember?

 

[RustyShackleford]

I can only provide anecdotal evidence from numerous teachers who say they reach in their own pockets to provide many necessities for their students.

So no, you can't.

Funny how you can't live up to the standards you demand of others

You are basing your views for large policy changes not on a few personal experiences. I mean, what could go wrong?

 

[dwalk31]

Big government not supposed to be telling the private sector what to do, remember?

I do not think the government should tell them. The consumer has a lot of power. The consumer forced Starbucks to do the diversity training. The consumer forced the resignation of Papa Johns' CEO and the consumer can force the private sector to contribute heavily to education.

 

[dwalk31]

So no, you can't.

Funny how you can't live up to the standards you demand of others

You are basing your views for large policy changes not on a few personal experiences. I mean, what could go wrong?

The fact that you don't like my source does not mean that a source wasn't provided. I can fully accept that my perspective/experience is not the only one.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

I do not think the government should tell them. The consumer has a lot of power. The consumer forced Starbucks to do the diversity training. The consumer forced the resignation of Papa Johns' CEO and the consumer can force the private sector to contribute heavily to education.

Those are corporations with corporate social responsibilities. Especially retail where company shenanigans can drive away customers and hurt the bottom line. Are you saying schools should be incorporated and run for profit?

 

[blastercombo]

Taxes pay for tons of things. No one is advocating zero funding from government. My only point is more pressure on the private sector for education.

Teacher paying for their own supplies isn’t charity it’s proof of neglect. Your argument is yet again dumb.

 

[dwalk31]

Those are corporations with corporate social responsibilities. Especially retail where company shenanigans can drive away customers and hurt the bottom line. Are you saying schools should be incorporated and run for profit?

I am saying that the same pressure that compels those corporations to make those decisions considering their bottom line should be implemented to force them to contribute heavily to public schools.

 

[dwalk31]

Teacher paying for their own supplies isn’t charity it’s proof of neglect. Your argument is yet again dumb.

Please see the second definition below

char·i·ty
ˈCHerədē/
noun

1. 1.
   an organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need.
   synonyms: nonprofit organization, voluntary organization, charitable institution; More
2. 2.
   the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.
   synonyms: financial assistance, aid, welfare, relief, financial relief; More
   
   

 

[MalcolmNewton]

I am saying that the same pressure that compels those corporations to make those decisions considering their bottom line should be implemented to force them to contribute heavily to public schools.

If I am the CEO of ABCD, why am I doing this? Why is it my problem? I am in the business of making trinkets. If some billionaire philanthropist wants to donate to a bunch of mostly white schools that's fine, but how are you going to make that the standing business model for the long term?

BTW: Lobbyist would be in congress to fight this before you typed the first sentence on the bill but carry-on.

 

[dwalk31]

If I am the CEO of ABCD, why am I doing this? Why is it my problem? I am in the business of making trinkets. If some billionaire philanthropist wants to donate to a bunch of mostly white schools that's fine, but how are you going to make that the standing business model for the long term?

BTW: Lobbyist would be in congress to fight this before you typed the first sentence on the bill but carry-on.

You could make this exact same argument regarding other social responsibilities. But the short answer is pressure from the consumer.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wherewestand/blog/finance-how-do-we-fund-our-schools/197/

http://www.data-first.org/data/how-...receive-from-federal-state-and-local-sources/

State and local taxes account for most of our education spending. Like around 90 percent.

In fact, charitable donations to public schools have the same problem as relying on property taxes. It helps the rich and hurts the poor. Rich people mainly give to school district their kids go to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/opinion/not-very-giving.html

I knew, it's part of my work. I just wanted to see if he could find differing sources that conflict with anything I already know tbh.

I can only provide anecdotal evidence from numerous teachers who say they reach in their own pockets to provide many necessities for their students.

Got it. Anecdotal evidence is easiest but please do at least light research on easily verifiable/refutable things before you get deep in the conversation. Some of us are involved in the topics in here at a career level.

I'd love to have a conservative or right leaning poster who comes correct with his arguments and ideas in here. Would make the thread more enjoyable imo. You make some good points at times but they get lost in the other **** you say.

 

[dwalk31]

I knew, it's part of my work. I just wanted to see if he could find differing sources that conflict with anything I already know tbh.




Got it. Anecdotal evidence is easiest but please do at least light research on easily verifiable/refutable things before you get deep in the conversation. Some of us are involved in the topics in here at a career level.

I'd love to have a conservative or right leaning poster who comes correct with his arguments and ideas in here. Would make the thread more enjoyable imo. You make some good points at times but they get lost in the other **** you say.

The issue is that I never said the majority of funding comes from private sources. Nothing cited negates what I said. Precise language is important for this reason.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

You could make this exact same argument regarding other social responsibilities. But the short answer is pressure from the consumer.

I got to Pizza Hut to buy a pizza, why would I pressure them to donate to schools? That will raise the price of my pizza. You think they aren't to get that money back by jacking up prices? So not only am I getting taxed by the government, for them to not do something they are supposed to with that money, but I am also paying extra to a corporation to do what you say the government shouldn't be doing.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

The issue is that I never said the majority of funding comes from private sources. Nothing cited negates what I said. Precise language is important for this reason.

True, which is why

Schools across the country rely heavily on private donations.

made me double take, because heavily relying on something implies it's a large part of the operation.

If I misunderstood your statement I apologize.

 

[gry60]

Did public schools get eliminated? What are you talking about?

What you think privatization of school funding is meant to achieve is not the real goal of the conservative movement.

 

[dwalk31]

I got to Pizza Hut to buy a pizza, why would I pressure them to donate to schools? That will raise the price of my pizza. You think they aren't to get that money back by jacking up prices? So not only am I getting taxed by the government, for them to not do something they are supposed to with that money, but I am also paying extra to a corporation to do what you say the government shouldn't be doing.

So you wouldn't pay more for your pizza to help fund education? Ok..

And what did I say the government shouldn't be doing?

 

[dwalk31]

True, which is why



made me double take, because heavily relying on something implies it's a large part of the operation.

If I misunderstood your statement I apologize.

Yea it was a misunderstanding. Clearly the majority of education funding is not teachers reaching into their own pockets to help students with their supplies. If I was unclear about that, my mistake.

But without that, many students would go without. That is what I meant by rely heavily.

But perhaps, teachers around the country do not reach in their own pockets. In regards to that, I can only provide anecdotal evidence.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

So you wouldn't pay more for your pizza to help fund education? Ok..

And what did I say the government shouldn't be doing?

Nope. That comes out of my property tax I pay here annually on my house and my vehicle.