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yall talking bout prison reform
how about reform our judicial system FIRST
THEN we talk about prison reform
how about reform our judicial system FIRST
THEN we talk about prison reform
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Good or bad or BAD ......At least it’s something?
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MalcolmNewton
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ok, how about we improve conditions OUTSIDE of the prisons then we don't have to worry about inside.. Don't tell me how to deal with a cut, or strategies for healing the cut. Stop cutting me.
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That’s what I thought. Just say you don’t care about the situation and move on. Trying to make up dumb *** arguments make you look like a trump supporter
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Meetings about prison reform. Ok, just reform it. Trump rolls back something Obama did almost weekly, he doesn't have meetings about that, he just does it.
Improve the conditions outside the prison. Not keep the system in place that keeps intentionally filling up the prisons. But prisons make them money, why would they reform it?
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He posted something that doesn’t actually “reform” anything worth talking about. Reform was in the link so it sounded like a good thing.
Let’s not forget trump seeks out advice from Kim kardashian for prison reform......... no really
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Typical bad faith buffoonery
But since you do t like the butter biscuit stuff let me be more direct....
You give tacit support for white supremacy, white nationalism, bigots, and many other vile policies. I am happy to be part of a so called echo chamber that talk people down people that practices your level of scumbag behavior.
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I care. I think we need immigration reform.
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How about both?
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Mass incarceration is a complex topic. Whatever you think of Kim Kardashian, are you against the commutation of Alice Johnson's sentence?
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Kim Kardashian getting Alice Johnson released just showed me that it's easy for white people to get something done about justice when they come around to feeling like it. Black people protest every day to get people freed from prison. We been doing it wrong, if we can get just enough plastic booty, big chested white women in the white house on our behalf, we might actually get some changes made around here.
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I wonder if Malcom Newton will ask you to define judicial system reform
I asked the question so I can understand what you mean. What I think prison reform is and what you think it is may be two different things. Therefore, to avoid confusion in our communication, I ask questions so we are on the same page.
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I am all for improving the conditions prisoners live under. But I refuse to give Trump any kudos on this issue.
Let all of us take a trip down Member lane:
-Member when Trump invited presidents of HBCUs to the white house and bragged about helping blacks. And member when the presidents asked for things like upping Pell Grants
- Member soon after that Trump propossed deep cuts to Pell Grants, cutting education spending, and rolled back civil rights enforcement in education
-Member when Trump had all those photo ops with black celebrities talking about helping the inner cities. But then he wanted to cut HUD's budget, cut benefits and stop their mission of go after housing discrimination. The thing that produced ghettos in the first place.
- Member when he stopped Obama's program of commuting nonviolent offenders but instead moved to a policy of only pardoning the ones that get someone famous to advocate for them. Furthermore, Session stops the DOJ from investigating racial discrimination by police forces, brought back mandatory minimums full force, and reversed their stances on tons of civil rights issues.
-Member all the disrespectful comments he continues to make to black athletes protesting racial injustice in the NFL
-And member when all these photo ops were happening, trolls coming in here telling us how happy we should be at Trump helping the blacks.
Member, oh I member.
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We need Presidential reform
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Yaap. There’s a distinct correlation between education and prison YET we cut funding to education and build more money making prisons.
But space force
But space force
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Rusty and I have discussed this, but my position is that there are ways to fund education beyond federal funding. I am a strong believer in charitable donations. Education is key.
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Answers like this are just evading further discussion. Perhaps I misunderstood but I think when someone is asked for a personal definition of x reform, they probably want to know how that person defines improvement in that issue. It’d be odd if someone wanted to know that reform generally means changing something to improve it.
There’s the literal definition of reform obviously but what constitutes as improvement reforms varies from person to person. Someone like Jeff Sessions would probably look at prison reform as ramping up prosecutions of non-violent drug offenders and changes that benefit private prisons.
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MalcolmNewton
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So what if these charities donate to certain schools more than others?
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this just my opinion
but i think if judicial reform is done effectively and CORRECTLY
that prison reform will fall in line
i think judicial reform
has a cause and effect of the prison reform
thats just what i think though
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theres always these cuts to education
what is the current budget for education
like i would have no problem with taxes rising
if it was going to education
i swear as u get older u realize how much more important it is
what is the current budget for education
like i would have no problem with taxes rising
if it was going to education
i swear as u get older u realize how much more important it is
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Absolutely. I just believe they have to occur simultaneously. There are over 2 million inmates in this country. Focusing on the judicial system BEFORE the prisons like you alluded to in the post I quoted, would be leaving those already incarcerated and marginalized in limbo. There should be a heavy emphasis on both occurring immediately.
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Improving the conditions in prisons are still important. Your heart and head in the right place but you have to look at this like a leftist not liberal. Don't just hope and believe everything will fall in line it you fix one area of the problem.
The problem not only that a disproportionate amount tof minorities and poor people get sent to jail but they are also treated like animals once they get there. They are not kept safe from sexual assault, their labor is exploited so bably that it is not a stretch to compare it to slavery, they are not rehabilitated, and their families are exploited with things like high fees for phone calls.
Our prison system is a burning house. Yes we have to stop the criminal justice system trapping people inside of it, but we also have to put out the fire and rebuild the house.
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Not just from charities. Private citizens, like yourself, can contribute directly to the communities/schools they choose. The more they have in their pocket, the more they can contribute directly to a cause as important as education.
