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Thread at 5k posts! Love the discourse even if some people refuse to banter in good faith ... There isn't a single topic I will dodge purposely ... So if I miss something let me know ...

The ignore button is the bees knees though ... I have taken out roughly 3 people who just continually post that I'm a racist and bigot and refuse to even consider an alternative viewpoint ... All because I see things a little differently and believe that you can support Trump's good policies without supporting his penchant for buffoonery ...
 
Thread at 5k posts! Love the discourse even if some people refuse to banter in good faith ... There isn't a single topic I will dodge purposely ... So if I miss something let me know ...

The ignore button is the bees knees though ... I have taken out roughly 3 people who just continually post that I'm a racist and bigot and refuse to even consider an alternative viewpoint ... All because I see things a little differently and believe that you can support Trump's good policies without supporting his penchant for buffoonery ...

What are the good policies and initiatives you support? And what bafoonery do you ignore?
 
Same as usual. The conservative posters refusing to argue in good faith. For what it's worth I don't mind arguing with you, though I think you're often just trolling.
I'm always open to argue in a cordial manner with you and the other 2 conservative posters but Inthehallway will just dodge any serious discussion. Hardly ever responds to any of my questions or arguments if they're refuting his and if he does it's just to deflect or answer very selectively.
Though I guess it's just one other conservative not including yourself now as UnicornHunter managed to get himself banned.

UnicornHunter scammed an NTer for $700 and it was revealed he had been lying about his profession, income, ... etc. in this thread.
He joins what has become a lenthy list of almost every conservative regular poster in this thread getting themselves banned. CL-1B, Blco2, Blco2 hiding as someone else on his alt(s?), Titanium Tea, ... All of them were banned for eventually letting out the racism, in CL-1B's case also nazi apologism. To Unicorn's credit, at least it wasn't racism yet again that got him..

Prior to you and InTheHallway joining the thread we just had a continuous long streak of conservative posters joining this thread only to sooner or later get perm banned for blatant racism.
Ninjahood was an outlier because while he crossed the line on racism repeatedly over a long time, he only ended up getting banned from this thread due to personal attacks.

I don't mind conservative posters, as long as they try to argue in good faith to at least some degree. I'd prefer more of them. Most regulars would, I assume.
I'll discuss/argue with anyone as I have said.
There's a difference between conservatives though and the kind of 'conservatives' this thread has seen previously. We'd have more still here if they could've stopped getting themselves banned.
There's only 2 conservatives left now with you and InTheHallway after UnicornHunter got himself a perm ban.

I can't speak for the other posters, but I attempt to discuss most issues in good faith. I will, however, meet snark with snark. And racism is unacceptable and it is a good thing if people were banned after making racist comments.
 
Ninjahood was an outlier because while he crossed the line on racism repeatedly over a long time, he only ended up getting banned from this thread due to personal attacks.

Was he in here disparaging black people, as a black person himself?
 
I have taken out roughly 3 people who just continually post that I'm a racist and bigot and refuse to even consider an alternative viewpoint
Kale Gang is awful, I agree. But just 3? They roll deeper than that, although I assume it's just one guy with a dozen screen names.
 
So what is small government? Has it gotten smaller since Trump took office? What are free markets? Aren’t tariffs contradictory to free markets?

I am assuming the first 3 questions are rhetorical. I also support fair trade, so the tariffs, in an attempt to promote fairness in trade are ok with me.
 
The problem I have with the whole “small government” stance is that the government doesn’t get to create a system that manufactures inequality and disenfranchisement and then get to “shrink” when the people benefitting have had their fill. leaving the scales unbalanced with the disenfranchised left to blame for their disenfranchisement.
 
The problem I have with the whole “small government” stance is that the government doesn’t get to create a system that manufactures in a equality and disenfranchisement and then get to “shrink” when the people benefitting have had their fill. leaving the scales unbalanced with the disenfranchised left to blame for their disenfranchisement.

I understand your position. Personally, I believe that we (the historically disenfranchised) can succeed by relying more heavily on our communities, innovation, and entrepreneurship.

And I think that heavy reliance on the government has resulted in stagnation in our (the historically disenfranchised) communities
 
Monopoly is the natural outcome of unregulated markets + small government. It's hard to be a proponent of small business owners and small government at the same time.

part of the problem is semantics. "Small government" is too broad of a term. Both parties are in favor of small government of some form and big government in other ways. Personally, I think government should be involved in many things that benefit society as a whole, protect the environment, and give smaller businesses a chance to innovate and grow. Things like the national parks and the anti-smoking effort have produced miraculous results that would not have been possible otherwise and are universally considered good, save for a few special interests that have obvious conflicts of interest. There are some needless or inefficient regulations that have resulted, so mechanisms should be put in place for regular check-ups and modifications of regulations.

In closing, the government really ****** over the coal mines with their regulations but they better use federal money and oversight to give me my job back!
 
I understand your position. Personally, I believe that we (the historically disenfranchised) can succeed by relying more heavily on our communities, innovation, and entrepreneurship.

And I think that heavy reliance on the government has resulted in stagnation in our (the historically disenfranchised) communities

There are people and communities doing all of that despite the disenfranchisement. But that doesn’t change the fact that the government doesn’t and hasn’t had a steady hand, regardless of how big or small you want that hand to be. And it doesn’t address the shortfalls underserved communities suffer because of it. Mainstream conservatism places the onus squarely on the backs of the disenfranchised for not being able to navigate those shortfalls effectively enough to be upwardly mobile consistently.
 
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The supporter that has to defend all kinds of vile stuff from the man now wants to act like he is against bigotry

The man that said he wanted the Federal government make it easier for him to get a rental property wants to preach to marginalized groups about not depending on the government to construct a more just world

The man who claims to be a conservative now want to defend tariffs under the guise of "fair trade" but in no way can verbalize what "fair" is, because news flash, trade deals in America's favor are not "fair" by nature

And now you guys know why a skipped a debate this is dude. He is want to discuss ****, he was to play devil's advocate for bigots and sugar coat Trump's nonsense.
 
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What are the good policies and initiatives you support? And what bafoonery do you ignore?
I think on net, his economic policies have fostered an environment of growth that is positive for most everyone ... I do support the long game on tariffs, a very, very liberal set of policies btw for those of you quick to judge ... His foreign policy is spot on ...

I also tend to align with his SCOTUS picks on social policy ... I prefer strict constitutionalists ...

I tune out his tweets ... I don't believe there's any there, there on Russia besides the typical dirty politician tactics ...
 
I think on net, his economic policies have fostered an environment of growth that is positive for most everyone ... I do support the long game on tariffs, a very, very liberal set of policies btw for those of you quick to judge ... His foreign policy is spot on ...

I also tend to align with his SCOTUS picks on social policy ... I prefer strict constitutionalists ...

I tune out his tweets ... I don't believe there's any there, there on Russia besides the typical dirty politician tactics ...

Why do you think Trump can make supply side economics work when history has proven it doesn’t? Like I mentioned before GDP is up, unemployment is down, stockmarket is doing amazing but none of that is translating into higher pay via their employers. Although stock buybacks are through the roof. How strong is the economy if working class people (the people Trump claims to be the voice of) aren’t being paid more.
 
Why do you think Trump can make supply side economics work when history has proven it doesn’t? Like I mentioned before GDP is up, unemployment is down, stockmarket is doing amazing but none of that is translating into higher pay via their employers. Although stock buybacks are through the roof. How strong is the economy if working class people (the people Trump claims to be the voice of) aren’t being paid more.

 
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