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I wonder which hat in the 'hats he can rock' box went with this
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Da butter soft leather :smokin

I wonder if Paulie Walnuts got a Pelle in the collection
 
https://apnews.com/5a4e5ea0bef44c01...o-release-transcript-of-suspected-Russian-spy
Senate votes to release transcript of suspected Russian spy
The Senate is giving the FBI access to a transcript of a Senate Intelligence Committee interview with Maria Butina, a gun-rights activist suspected of being a covert Russian agent.

The 29-year-old Butina was arrested last month and is awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy and acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Russia. Prosecutors have accused her of using sex and deception to forge influential connections.

Butina was interviewed by the Senate panel in April as part of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections. In a voice vote Wednesday, the Senate allowed the committee to provide the transcript to the FBI and to Butina’s lawyers.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C., and the top Democrat on the committee, Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, said in a joint statement that they sought authorization from the full Senate to release the documents in response to requests from the Justice Department and a lawyer for Butina and will release it if it is not made public.

“The Committee intends to provide the transcript, provided both parties agree to include it under the auspices of a protective order, which we understand is currently under discussion,” the senators said.

Butina was photographed by the FBI dining privately with a Russian diplomat suspected of being an intelligence operative in the weeks before the envoy’s departure from the U.S. last March, prosecutors said. She also had contact information for people who investigators believe were employees of Russia’s Federal Security Services, or FSB, the successor intelligence agency to the KGB.

The Justice Department says she worked covertly to establish back-channel lines of communication to the Kremlin and infiltrate U.S. political organizations, including the National Rifle Association, and gather intelligence for a senior Russian official to whom she reported.

Butina has pleaded not guilty. Her lawyer Robert Driscoll said she isn’t a Russian agent but instead a “young student seeking to make her way in America.”
 
Took them long enough to at least try something. Problem is of course getting it passed at all, much less with a veto-proof majority. But at least it's some degree of action.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senato...mps-national-security-tariff-power-1533158484
Senators Propose Curbing Trump’s National-Security Tariff Power
Rob Portman, an Ohio Republican, leads a bipartisan push to rein in president’s moves—which could help car industry
GOP Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio is proposing legislation that would make it harder for the White House to impose the sort of duties that have hit metals imports, aiming to move beyond stalled congressional efforts to respond to the Trump administration’s national-security tariffs.

The measure, which faces longer odds in the House than in the Senate, could be most meaningful to foreign auto makers, who have been in President Trump’s crosshairs despite a recent moderation in tensions between the U.S. and European car companies. Mr. Trump has threatened to impose tariffs on imported autos, citing national-security concerns.

Mr. Portman teamed with Republican Sen. Joni Ernst of Iowa and Democratic Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama to unveil a bill Wednesday that would give the Defense Department the power to decide whether such tariffs are justified by national-security concerns.

The Commerce Department would then decide how to respond, including whether to impose the tariffs and where to set them. That would shake up the current arrangement under Section 232 of the 1962 Trade Expansion Act, which Mr. Trump in March used to impose tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, working through the Commerce Department.

The legislation would apply to future deals only, potentially heading off tariffs on automobile imports, which Mr. Trump threatened beforeagreeing not to impose tariffs on European Union cars during new trade negotiations with the bloc.

It would also expand beyond oil imports Congress’s ability to decide whether to block national-security tariffs, by giving lawmakers the power to pass a disapproval resolution that would nullify tariffs—but would require a veto-proof two-thirds majority to take effect.
Mr. Trump is likely to fight any effort to curb his powers to impose tariffs. The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Portman’s idea stands as a more moderate alternative to an approach pushed by Sens. Bob Corker (R., Tenn.), Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) and Jeff Flake (R., Ariz.), who have proposed that the White House seek congressional approval before imposing national-security tariffs. It also has the advantage of being advanced from within the Senate Finance Committee, which sets trade policy.

“It’s appropriate for us to do what Trump is talking about, which is hold countries accountable and increase our enforcement, but at the same time we need to be careful that we’re doing it on a basis that doesn’t allow other countries to retaliate against us,” Mr. Portman, whose state has a big foreign-car-maker presence, said in an interview. Regarding the use of national-security tariffs, he said “our answer is not to get rid of it, but to take it back to its original intent.”

Mr. Portman is a closely watched figure in trade debates. A former U.S. trade representative and House lawmaker, one of his first votes in Congress was in favor of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement. As his career progressed, he built a reputation as a free-trader who also pushed for tougher enforcement of existing trade laws.

In 2015, Mr. Portman teamed with Sen. Sherrod Brown (D., Ohio) and helped add a measure broadening the ways steel companies could bring trade complaints to a bill giving the president expanded trade-negotiating powers. From his perch on the Senate Finance Committee, Mr. Portman was a key behind-the-scenes figure in enacting last year’s tax cut.

At the same time, Ms. Ernst’s sponsorship of the bill reflects the ways farm-state lawmakers, whose constituents have been hit by retaliatory tariffs on goods like soybeans, have also been drawn into the fight.

The legislation comes as Senate Republicans have been tied up over whether—and how—to restrict Mr. Trump’s ability to impose tariffs. Mr. Corker was twice blocked from getting a vote on his national-security legislation. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R., Utah) has warned in a letter to Mr. Trump that GOP senators may be ready to risk a legislative confrontation with the president unless he reverses course on trade.

Business groups are growing impatient and are rallying around Mr. Portman’s effort, which supporters hope will spark action in Congress. On Wednesday, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable endorsed Mr. Portman’s legislation.

“Section 232 is intended to be used to combat real national security threats—not as an excuse to raise blanket tariffs on other countries,” Business Roundtable said in a statement.
 
-First off, Amazon is a terrible idea for Maryland especially if they are going to put in Montgomery County. It would be a **** show if the put it everywhere near Bethesda. Maryland should not be paying them to come in the state. **** Bezos

-I think you are only somewhat right about Maryland and Jealous.

-Yes, of course, there are some useless Democrats in the state. The ones that are against his vision for the state, **** them. But Jealous should be cautious about how he messages though. His healthcare plan is especially ripe for attack since it is nowhere near as simple or cheap as Jealous would have people believe. Larry Hogan is not the Boogeyman other Republicans are, he is a moderate those approval ratings are high. I still consider him trash though. He is a clown that got put on by low turnout. But he has not been a complete ****show, and he is popular, so he has a very real shot.

Montgomery County is 3 to 1 Democrats, independents even outnumber Republicans. They will help deliver Jealous the governors mansion, not just Baltimore City and PG. One of the reasons Jealous has made traction with more affluent black voters is because of his civil rights proposals, and what that would mean for places like Baltimore. I guess, thank god he didn't listen to the left after 2016 and run away from "identity politics".

Minor Sidenote: PG county is on the borders DC, has more black people than Baltimore, and while PG as a whole is probably better off than Baltimore trust me a lot have not been gorging and getting rich from the DC job market. The Wire does not capture the full picture of poverty in Maryland. There are people in the suburbs of DC that need every bit of help too.

- I know that you know that most leftists are not against civil rights. Most of us are of the mind that older white politicians affecting AAVE is not a substitute for substantial economic policy changes (with the exception of Uncle Joe's "put ya'll back in chains" plus his subsequent sonning of Paul Ryan in 2012). I know that far too many white leftists have been disappointing but many of us love a candidate who will talk about racial injustice. For one thing, a lot of white leftists are History nerds. Second, if you will champion for a relatively small voter bloc and be willing to offend lots of white people by talking about how black folks got and get a raw deal, you are establishing credibility that you'll fight for the far larger working class and push on issues that are, relative to civil rights, popular such as medicare for all.

- It's great that Ben Jealous is showing that there is no conflict between race and class based politics. His victory, though, shows me that for the most economically conservative Democrats, the concern over Bernie's age and whiteness and his awkwardness talking about civil rights was unctuous. I've seen some comments claiming that Ben Jealous is so light skinned that he's a white "Bernie Bro." Like, c'mon, there are more dignified ways of saying you don't want to pay slightly higher taxes.

- We both agree that most of the people who voted for other Democrats in the primaries will vote for Ben Jealous. I think we all can now agree that the Democratic Party represents a far greater range of voices than the GOP and it should not be surprising that loud voices from our vast coalition on the far left and the far right will gripe when their candidate does not win.

- On the economics of this election, I think you and I are in agreement that a State wide single payer system will have some problems. You crunch number more than me, I'm just eyeballing it but it seems like a State, even one with pockets of affluence has neither the taxing authority, monetary freedom, monopsonic power, diversified economy and economies of scale that would be available to the Federal government. For a State to run an enduring single payer system, it would have to quite substantially raise taxes on its residents.

- I'm not surprised that there is poverty in the counties around DC. While growing, dynamic metro areas offer more jobs and money for public education, you have folks who are shut out from that. Even those who get a decent education and job are effectively made poor because of the rapidly rising, speculatively driven cost of housing.





Just curious, what is this based on? The city at least appears better off than it was 20 years ago, but that may be due to gentrification. I wouldn't be surprised if median income, poverty levels, etc have worsened, I just didn't know if there was data on it.

I've not done any serious research. I know that by the roughest metrics, Baltimore isn't doing much better than it did circa 1998. Population and median home prices have stayed flat and in 1998, the city had already been slammed with deindustrialization.

I'm sure that crime is lower since crime is down in almost every community relative to the 1990's and 1980's. My understanding is that most of the capital that flowed into Baltimore in the last decade was to House professionals who commuted from Baltimore to D.C. Metro.
 
Rigged investigation....... you mean to tell me they investigate to find one thing out?!?!?!? Shocking!


Thanking NK for giving make people they killed! :rollin
 
im just scratching my head at this. if media headlines are pushing her towards trump she has no clue whats going on around her

She just wants a convenient excuse to blow on the Trumpet. If you want to support Trumpo the Clown because you agree with his views, then do it and own up to it. Don't find some weak, reason to explain it away.
 
If she really feels like that (which I doubt, she probably supports him to begin with), then she obviously hasn't seen enough clips of Trump himself. That is unedited and unaltered by the fake "enemy of the people" news clips where he himself spews his bigotry and lies to an extent that puts any of the old fashioned "all politicians lie" phrases to shame.

Most of the media pretty much reports that the sky is blue, but she wants to claim that the sky is red because the media is apparently against the sky for calling it blue.
 
We have idiots like that on NT already. Should be no surprise. People would rather deny the truth just to be a living “you mad?” Meme than use their brain
 
We have idiots like that on NT already. Should be no surprise. People would rather deny the truth just to be a living “you mad?” Meme than use their brain
She just wants a convenient excuse to blow on the Trumpet. If you want to support Trumpo the Clown because you agree with his views, then do it and own up to it. Don't find some weak, reason to explain it away.
either that, or some how the reasons that she didnt vote for trump before had nothing to do with his bigotry, sexism, racism, or economic incompetence. which might actually be worse. Must be nice to be so comfortably white and oblivious that those things don’t register
 
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