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"Russia is the greatest threat to democracy right now"

"Okay let's do automatic voter registration, election as a federal holiday, end gerrymandering, restoring voting rights for felons, publicly fund elections, eliminate corporate PACs, end Citizens United”

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To double down on what I said yesterday about the right wing's love for leftist policies:

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/01/wh...ms-but-only-for-themselves-says-new-research/

Donald Trump's administration recently decided to give $12 billion to farmers hurt by the president's trade war against the European Union, China and various other countries. These monies can be considered a form of welfare for white people in red state America who are among his most loyal supporters. Moreover, the racial disparity is made even clearer by the way that African-American and other nonwhite farmers have been victims of systemic discrimination by the United States Department of Agriculture. In 2010, the USDA and the Justice Department reached a $1.25 billion settlement with black farmers over a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination in USDA farm loan programs.
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There is a complication. New research by Robb Willer, professor of sociology at Stanford University, and Rachel Wetts, a researcher at the University of California, demonstrates that despite all the ways that the government provided welfare programs to help them, white Americans are willing to cut such programs if they believe that African-Americans and other nonwhites may benefit.
 
Stone associates getting subpoenaed left and right and this former aide took an L in his attempt to block Mueller's subpoena by contesting Mueller's legitimacy. He has been ordered to testify before Mueller's grand jury "at the earliest date available" and must provide the subpoenaed records.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.3776ded99250
Aide to Trump-confidant Roger Stone ordered to appear before Mueller grand jury
A former aide to longtime President Trump confidant Roger Stone must testify before the special counsel’s grand jury, a federal judge in Washington ruled Thursday.

The judge rejected a challenge from Andrew Miller, a former assistant to Stone, who tried to block subpoenas from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in his ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
The redacted opinion from Chief Judge Beryl Howell, affirming the legal legitimacy of the special counsel’s appointment, does not identify Miller by name, but his attorney confirmed that the ruling is in response to Miller’s request.

Howell’s ruling orders Miller to “appear before the grand jury to provide testimony at the earliest date available” and to provide the subpoenaed records.
“We’re disappointed with the court’s ruling,” Miller’s attorney Paul Kamenar said in an interview. “But the judge obviously took our challenge to Mueller’s constitutionality seriously as evidenced by the 93-page opinion.”

Miller’s attorneys had argued that Mueller “wields too much power with too little accountability” and was unlawfully appointed, according to Howell’s summary of Miller’s filing.

In her lengthy ruling, Howell said, the “witness raises legitimate questions, but his concerns are not legally sustainable.

“The scope of the Special Counsel’s power falls well within the boundaries the Constitution permits, as the Special Counsel is supervised by an official who is himself accountable to the elected President,” she wrote, referring to Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein.

Miller worked for Stone during the 2016 presidential campaign, handling duties such as setting up media interviews. He is one of at least a half dozen of Stone’s associates to be called to testify. Others include his driver John Kakanis and a social media consultant, Jason Sullivan. An attorney for Kristin Davis, who gained notoriety in the 2000s for running a high-end prostitution ring and was known as the “Manhattan Madam,” also have said they were told investigators want to question her.

Stone has accused Mueller’s team of harassing his associates. He declined to comment Thursday.

It remains unclear if and when Miller will appear before the grand jury. Kamenar said the fight to block the appearance will continue and that he would explore a possible appeal.

Miller has not yet been given a date to appear before the grand jury, Kamenar said. He said he expects to have a better sense of what will happen next within a week.

Mueller’s prosecution team appears to have a continued interest in Stone, who has been under scrutiny for his contacts with the Twitter persona Guccifer 2.0. A recent indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers by Mueller’s team alleges that Guccifer 2.0 was actually operated by a group of Russian military intelligence officers based in Moscow. In 2016, Guccifer 2.0 released some of the emails hacked from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

Stone has disputed the suggestion that Guccifer 2.0 is a tool of Russian intelligence, saying it has not been proven. He has said that he thought he was communicating with a Romanian hacker and that their exchanges were “benign,” including a Twitter direct message in which Stone congratulated Guccifer 2.0 for being reinstated after being banned by Twitter.

The filing from Miller’s attorneys is the latest to challenge the constitutionality of Mueller’s appointment. Lawyers for former lobbyist Paul Manafort, on trial this week in Virginia on bank and tax fraud charges, failed in their efforts. There is also a pending challenge from attorneys representing the Russian firm Concord Management and Consulting which is accused of financially backing an alleged Russian Internet trolling operation accused of a massive campaign to disrupt the 2016 presidential election.
 
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This is beautiful, I smiled so hard.


A 3rd parry would never work. **** 2 parties don’t work


Throw it all away and start over.


Yeah, the Hotep Party where Black folks complain on the internet and then proceed not to vote in elections.

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white Americans are willing to cut such programs if they believe that African-Americans and other nonwhites may benefit.


Mfs had to do research to figure this out? :lol::lol:
 


yeah ok...

Imagine writing this with a straight face

“Some groups who claim to support conservatives forgo their commitment when they decide their business interests are more important than those of the country or Party,” RNC Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel wrote in a memo to party contributors on Thursday afternoon. “This is unacceptable.”
 
Gotta give the Russians some credit for pulling this off
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-moscow-secret-service?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Suspected Russian spy found working at US embassy in Moscow
Exclusive: Russian is understood to have had full access to secret data during decade at embassy
US counter-intelligence investigators discovered a suspected Russian spy had been working undetected in the heart of the American embassy in Moscow for more than a decade, the Guardian has learned.

The Russian national had been hired by the US Secret Service and is understood to have had access to the agency’s intranet and email systems, which gave her a potential window into highly confidential material including the schedules of the president and vice-president.

They established she was having regular and unauthorised meetings with members of the FSB, Russia’s principal security agency.

The Guardian has been told the RSO sounded the alarm in January 2017, but the Secret Service did not launch a full-scale inquiry of its own. Instead it decided to let her go quietly months later, possibly to contain any potential embarrassment.

An intelligence source told the Guardian the woman was dismissed last summer after the state department revoked her security clearance. The dismissal came shortly before a round of expulsions of US personnel demanded by the Kremlin after Washington imposed more sanctions on the country.

The order to remove more than 750 US personnel from its 1,200-strong diplomatic mission is understood to have provided cover for her removal.

“The Secret Service is trying to hide the breach by firing [her],” the source said. “The damage was already done but the senior management of the Secret Service did not conduct any internal investigation to assess the damage and to see if [she] recruited any other employees to provide her with more information.

“Only an intense investigation by an outside source can determine the damage she has done.”
Asked detailed questions about the investigation into the woman, and her dismissal, the Secret Service attempted to downplay the significance of her role. But it did not deny that she had been identified as a potential mole.

In a statement, it said: “The US Secret Service recognizes that all Foreign Service Nationals (FSN) who provide services in furtherance of our mission, administrative or otherwise, can be subjected to foreign intelligence influence.

“This is of particular emphasis in Russia. As such, all foreign service nationals are managed accordingly to ensure that Secret Service and United States government interests are protected at all times. As a result, the duties are limited to translation, interpretation, cultural guidance, liaison and administrative support.

“It was specifically the duties of the FSN position in Moscow to assist our attaches and agency by engaging the Russian government, including the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), the Russian Ministry of the Interior (MVD), and the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO) in furtherance of Secret Service interests.”

It said: “At no time, in any US Secret Service office, have FSNs been provided or placed in a position to obtain national security information.”

The state department said it would not comment “on allegations related to intelligence or personnel matters, and we have no information for you on this alleged incident.”

But it said it was aware “that US government employees, by virtue of their employment with the US government, may be targeted by foreign intelligence services … when we identify an employee in violation of security directives, we take appropriate action at the appropriate time.”

The Secret Service is a US federal law enforcement agency that sits within the Department of Homeland Security and has more than 150 offices worldwide. Its mission, it says, is the “protection of the nation’s leaders and the financial and critical infrastructure of the United States”.

The discovery of a suspected FSB mole on its staff within the US embassy in Moscow would be hugely damaging to its reputation and could have severe consequences for the safety of other Secret Service staff and those it is mandated to protect.

The Guardian has been told the name of the suspected spy and her job title within the agency. She did not respond to numerous email requests to discuss her role at the embassy or the allegations made against her.

It is understood she came under suspicion two years ago during a routine review of Secret Service personnel in the so-called Paris district of the agency, which includes Moscow, London and Frankfurt. The RSO reviews take place every five years.

With a role that gave her an insight into ongoing Secret Service investigations, the woman had access to the Secret Service intranet, its internal email and its counterfeit-money tracking system.

A source claimed “her frequent contacts with the FSB gave her away ... numerous unsanctioned meetings and communications”.

The Guardian has been told the state department’s resident agents in charge alerted the Secret Service in January 2017 and at least nine high-ranking Secret Service officials became aware of the findings.

At the time, separate CIA and FBI inquires were also under way, but it appears the Secret Service was expected to take the lead. It failed to do so, according to a source.

“She had access to the most damaging database, which is the US Secret Service official mail system,” the source said. “Part of her access was schedules of the president – current and past, vice-president and their spouses, including Hillary Clinton.”

She had plenty of time to gather intelligence without supervision, the source said. “Several employees interacted with her on a personal level by emailing her personally on a non-work account. This isn’t allowed.”

The Department of Homeland Security was apparently notified about the case but it is unclear how much detail was passed on to officials outside the agency. It is also unclear why the woman, a Russian national, was hired by the Secret Service in the first place or what kind of vetting took place.

The Guardian has been told that the potential breach was not reported to any of the congressional intelligence or oversight committees.

A source said: “A government committee needs to investigate the Secret Service for hiding this breach.”

Another option would be to include it in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into suspected Russian collusion in the 2016 presidential election.

“The US Congress is focusing on Russian hackers when it is possible that all of the information they needed to get into the system came from the internal breach in the Secret Service,” the source said.

“Her activities of stealing and sharing information could shed more light on how the Russians were able to hack the 2016 presidential election office of the DNC [Democratic National Committee].”

They added: “I think that the special counsel would be the perfect outside entity to investigate the level of damage that [she] caused. They have access to all types of counterintelligence information and they wouldn’t lie ... to avoid reporting this serious operational and security breach.”
 
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"Consulting"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-tr...r-nuclear-project-push-sources-say-1533245330
Top Trump Donor Agreed to Pay Michael Cohen $10 Million for Nuclear Project Push
Consulting deal with Franklin L. Haney could have been among the most lucrative struck by president’s then-personal attorney

A major donor to President Trump agreed to pay $10 million to the president’s then-personal attorney if he successfully helped obtain funding for a nuclear-power project, including a $5 billion loan from the U.S. government, according to people familiar with the matter.

The donor, Franklin L. Haney, gave the contract to Trump attorney Michael Cohen in early April to assist his efforts to complete a pair of unfinished nuclear reactors in Alabama, known as the Bellefonte Nuclear Power Plant, these people said.
Had he been paid the success fee, Mr. Cohen’s deal with Mr. Haney could have been among the most lucrative of the known consulting agreements he securedafter Mr. Trump’s election by emphasizing his personal relationship with the president, according to people familiar with his pitches.

The president has since severed ties with Mr. Cohen, who is under federal investigation in New York in connection with his work for Mr. Trump and private business dealings.

Authorities are investigating whether Mr. Cohen engaged in unregistered lobbying in connection with his consulting work for corporate clients after Mr. Trump went to the White House, according to people familiar with the probe.

Investigators are also examining potential campaign-finance violations and bank fraud surrounding, among other deals, Mr. Cohen’s October 2016 payment to Stephanie Clifford, the former adult-film star called Stormy Daniels, to keep her from discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the probe. Mr. Trump denies any encounter took place.

“Neither Mr. Haney nor Nuclear Development LLC ever entered into a contract with Michael Cohen or his affiliate for lobbying services related to the Bellefonte project,” said Larry Blust, a lawyer for Mr. Haney, referring to the name of the company Mr. Haney is using for the project. He declined further comment about the project or Mr. Cohen.

A representative for Mr. Cohen declined to comment. The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Under the contract, Mr. Haney agreed to pay Mr. Cohen a monthly retainer in addition to the $10 million success fee if he could help obtain the funding, including approval of the full amount of the project’s application under a U.S. Department of Energy loan program, the people familiar with the deal said.

Mr. Cohen’s fee would be reduced proportionally if he helped obtain less funding than the contract stipulated, according to a person familiar with the agreement.

A loan application by Mr. Haney’s company is still pending at the Energy Department. Mr. Cohen hasn’t communicated with Energy Secretary Rick Perry about Mr. Haney’s project, according to the Energy Department. Mr. Cohen made several calls to officials at the Energy Department in the spring to inquire about the loan guarantee process, including what could be done to speed it up, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The Wall Street Journal couldn’t determine how much Mr. Haney may have paid Mr. Cohen, if anything, in monthly retainer fees.

The agreement was made shortly before Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room were raided by federal agents on April 9, according to the people familiar with the contract. It is no longer in effect, one of them said.

James Thurber, a professor of government at American University, said success fees are “outside the ethical norms” among Washington lobbyists and are frowned upon. Century-old court rulings deemed fees contingent on lobbyists obtaining public funds or killing legislation unenforceable and counter to public policy, saying they encouraged corruption, he said. Several lobbyists contacted by the Journal said $10 million was an unheard-of sum to pay a consultant for government-related work.

There is no blanket federal ban on success fees being included in contracts for Washington lobbyists. And modern courts may be more disposed to such fees now that lobbying is deeply entrenched in law and policy-making and subject to stricter regulation, such as registration requirements, some lobbying experts say.

Mr. Cohen has never registered as a federal lobbyist, public records show.

Manhattan federal prosecutors have contacted some of Mr. Cohen’s other consulting clients, including AT&T Inc. and Novartis AG , the Journal has previously reported, citing people familiar with the matter. Those companies said they paid Mr. Cohen a total of $1.8 million since Mr. Trump took office for his insights into the administration. Both have said he didn’t do any substantial work for them.

Mr. Cohen’s work for Mr. Haney included participating in an April 5 meeting during which he helped the donor pitch the vice chairman of the Qatar Investment Authority, Sheikh Ahmed bin Jassim bin Mohamed al-Thani, on a possible investment in the nuclear plant, the Journal reported in May, citing people familiar with the matter.

The meeting took place near Miami Beach, where a Qatari delegation had come to promote business ties with the U.S. Mr. Cohen spent a night on Mr. Haney’s yacht during the trip, one of those people has said.

There is no indication that the Qataris have decided to invest with Mr. Haney. A Qatar spokesman in Washington has confirmed the meeting. A representative of the Qatari sovereign-wealth fund didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Haney’s company, Nuclear Development, entered into a $111 million contract in November 2016 to purchase the partially completed Bellefonte Nuclear Plant from the Tennessee Valley Authority. Mr. Haney has until November to close on the purchase.

A month after the purchase agreement, in December 2016, Mr. Haney donated $1 million to the Trump inaugural fund through a corporate entity, Federal Election Commission records show. He had previously backed mostly Democrats.

Nuclear Development and Mr. Haney’s main company, Franklin L. Haney Co., have spent nearly $1.1 million since the end of 2016 lobbying the federal government and Congress on issues related to nuclear power, according to federal lobbying records.

In a May 14 letter to Mr. Trump reviewed by the Journal, on which Mr. Perry was copied, five members of Congress urged the administration to finish reviewing Nuclear Development’s loan application, describing the project as an engine for economic development.

Dong Kim, chief operating officer for the Energy Department’s Loan Programs Office, responded in a letter reviewed by the Journal that the agency would address the application “as quickly as possible, while still performing the necessary due diligence to protect taxpayer interests.”
 
Thinking a Third Party is just gonna come along and save the day is a waste of time for plenty of reasons.

Everyone wishes that a third party will come along and be the perfect party. Most want one that represents the tails of one of the major parties or represents the middle.:

-Ones that represent the tails already exist, but they don't survive because they are filled with loons and buffoons.

-America has a couple of third parties gain some traction in the past century. Their in with voter has been white nationalism. So be careful what you wish for

-The perfect compromising centrist party also is a pipe dream, because what is really the center, really? Is it a compromise between the GOP (in the current crazy state) and the current Dems? Is it a party of centrist from when America last had a center in the 80s and 90s? Welp, get ready for a ton of compromising on civil rights and economic justice in either scenario.

-More "centrist" don't even fall in the center of the parties; they have more extreme positions on issues, both left and right so on aggregate they are "center." Like look at NT, there are a ton of dudes for justice for black people that are sexist, homophobic, believe tons of vile crap about transgender people, and believe in macroeconomic principles and philosophies that hurt the same black communities they care about.

Our two party system is reinforced by a lot of things but mainly by how we elected officials.

-Putting aside how the Dems and GOP split power while in Congress, and putting aside gerrymandering, and all forms of voter suppression, our system forces coalitions to be formed among factions before elections, instead of after elections like in other countries. It is like the Democratic Party is a coalition of a bunch of smaller political parties. If our electoral system was different we would have multiple different political parties run candidates, then afterward given the results they agree to form a governing body.

If dudes care so much about having more options at the ballot box in the way of third parties and independents when they need to start advocating for alternate voting systems like these......









Like I hardly heard anyone me that complains about the two-party system say a peep about Lawerence Lessig in the last primary.

Gerrymandering is a problem, but we also need to repeal the Apportionment act of 1911. America's House of Representatives needs to double in size at the minimum.

I understand the frustration with our current system, I really do, and I want better too. But I just wish the complaints about the two parties, especially the Democrats would go beyond sitting on the sidelines and complaining that the Democratic Party can't just become everything you want it to be.
 
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