***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[cubanref]

It's like clockwork with trump followers you hit them up with facts and they disappear...Ignorance is bliss to them...

 

[EddieDoyers]

That has to be super subsidized. $200 a year is ridiculously low, and I would love to see what it actually covers.

most likely the bare minimum health and dental benefits
One of my clients pays almost $2000 a month for health and dental employer insurance
Premiums are going to go up too next year

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Trump is trying to pull off being an upside-down isolationist. He wants the U.S. to be economically, militarily, and politically detached from the rest of the world. Military isolationism may work, works fine for Iceland and Sweden, keeping your troops home and minding their own business. Everything else is not going to work. It is no longer how the world operates in the 21st century.

The world is no longer seperated by weeks long boat trips across seas to other continents. Communication is no longer restricted to sending telegraphs. Third world countries are no longer (directly) ruled by European colonial powers. Everyone, everywhere knows exactly what is going on. Wall Street and London are no longer the only two major players in international finance. Modern manufacturing is based on cheap logistics footprint and economy of scale, making more by paying people less (whether we like it or not).

Trump behaves like one of the run up to WWI beligerants, making all types of shady deals on the side, behind closed doors, making hand-shake promises, then when the war kicked off, everyone attacked everyone else because they went off the deal that was made with their buddy (if you attack France, I'll attack Austria. If you attack Austria, I'll attack Serbia).

You want to cut deals with people? No problem. But bring everyone else to the table so a second/third/forth set of eyes are present. But he's a CEO used to getting what he wants when he wants it. Not how the world works anymore, at least not since WWI.

 

[lightweight champion]

$200/yr for health insurance

I know folks paying more than that for AD&D

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Yo, $200 a year for health insurance? Damn, where can I get that?

Also, how in the **** did Trump stop a "nuclear war"?

Hey that $200 covers getting his toenails clipped once a year by a certified nursing technician

 

[UnicornHunter]

My bad ya'll I ment $200 a month for my wife, and two kids.. we're in the health industry and work covers us

 

[IATT]

 

[EddieDoyers]

well that lasted minutes

 

[UnicornHunter]

It's like clockwork with trump followers you hit them up with facts and they disappear...Ignorance is bliss to them...

It's kind of hard for one man to stand up against everyone on this thread

 

[sonoftony]

yeah aight

 

[MalcolmNewton]

It's kind of hard for one man to stand up against everyone on this thread

Facts can resist a 1,000,000 man army. Bring some that can't be refuted.

 

[Mark Antony]

It's like clockwork with trump followers you hit them up with facts and they disappear...Ignorance is bliss to them...

Call folks sensitive, asks for facts/reasons, people supply them, then gets oddly sensitive for some reason and runs away. Sounds about right.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

It's kind of hard for one man to stand up against everyone on this thread

 

[EddieDoyers]

from da other side

 

[Belgium]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rder-protecting-evidence-in-russia-troll-case
Mueller Warns of Active Russian Meddling, Seeks Disclosure Lid

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller warned that Russian intelligence services have active “interference operations” in the U.S. and asked a judge to limit the pretrial evidence provided to a Russian firm indicted over meddling in the 2016 election.


Mueller asked a federal judge in Washington for an order that would protect the handover of voluminous evidence to lawyers for Concord Management and Consulting LLC, one of three companies and 13 Russian nationals charged in a February indictment. They are accused of producing propaganda, posing as U.S. activists and posting political content on social media as so-called trolls to encourage strife in the U.S.


The threat of public or unauthorized disclosure of evidence would help foreign intelligence services, particularly in Russia, in “future operations against the United States,” Mueller’s prosecutors wrote in a filing Tuesday.

“The substance of the government’s evidence identifies uncharged individuals and entities that the government believes are continuing to engage in interference operations like those charged in the present indictment,” prosecutors wrote.


Improper disclosure would tip foreign intelligence services about how the U.S. operates, which would “allow foreign actors to learn of those techniques and adjust their conduct, thus undermining ongoing and future national security operations,” according to the filing.

The evidence includes thousands of documents involving U.S. residents not charged with crimes who prosecutors say were unwittingly recruited by Russian defendants and co-conspirators to engage in political activity in the U.S., prosecutors wrote.

 

[boris]

It's kind of hard for one man to stand up against everyone on this thread

You say things like "Trump is stopping nuclear war!" and think that the problem is everyone else.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[UnicornHunter]

You say things like "Trump is stopping nuclear war!" and think that the problem is everyone else.

Well isn't he trying to with this whole summit ?
We need to just sit back and see how this all plays out but for the meantime it seems like there can be peace with NK

 

[IATT]

 

[Belgium]

If it gets to Trump's desk he'll have little choice but to sign it given people like his own FBI director testifying to Congress that ZTE poses a serious national security threat.
Surprisingly, one of the amendment's co-sponsors is Tom Cotton of all people. However the Senate as a whole still needs to pass the bill as well as the House.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...rebuke-trump-deal-n882196?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_np
Senate blocks ZTE deal in rebuke of Trump deal
The move comes less than a week after the president entered into an agreement with telecom giant.
In a major rebuke to President Donald Trump, the Senate has adopted a measure that would block the administration's deal with Chinese telecom giant ZTE, pitting the president against Congress on what many senators say is an issue of national security.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

Well isn't he trying to with this whole summit ?
We need to just sit back and see how this all plays out but for the meantime it seems like there can be peace with NK

He wants to play nice with NK, fine. Sign the peace treaty ending the Korean War (you know it's still valid correct?), works out for everyone in the far east. Explain pissing off Canada, Germany, France, and Britain days earlier?

 

[Belgium]

Well isn't he trying to with this whole summit ?
We need to just sit back and see how this all plays out but for the meantime it seems like there can be peace with NK

Then why do you not see any issue with Trump's unilateral decision to pull out of the Iran deal and sabotaging the efforts of all the other signatory states to preserve and renegotiate the deal?
Trump is trying, Obama and the other signatory nations succeeded for the most part. With a flawed and temporary (until 2025) deal but it accomplished its primary goal; stopping the immediate threat of Iran's nuclear program.

 

[gry60]

It's kind of hard for one man to stand up against everyone on this thread

It isn't really a matter of opinions, but it is about what happened in the past and how it shapes the present and future.

If you are open to advice, turn your TV off, and pick up some history TEXTbooks (not that Bill O'Reilly stuff).

 

[boris]

Well isn't he trying to with this whole summit ?
We need to just sit back and see how this all plays out but for the meantime it seems like there can be peace with NK

As I mentioned when I replied to that comment, the only possibility of nuclear war is if the U.S. strikes first.

 

[AEA18]

Did he cheat on his cousin-wife too?