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Bill bill bill. You spend decades demonizing minorities and telling us in not so many words to “get over it”. And that the white establishment needs protection. Plus that maxine waters thing.

Fam is the a prime example of the racism that is alive and well. Herb who gets no buns.
 
If I could pick one and only one issue to be disqualifying in Democratic Primaries, I would pick charter schools. If you even entertain the idea of charter schools and school privatization, you should be disqualified. The California primaries got me riled up. A lot of progressives are relitigating Antonio Villaraigosa's tenure as Mayor of Los Angeles (2005-2013). Like many big name Democrats, he used his youthful, circa 1970, radical bona fides to paper over decades of subsequent neoliberal service.

What stands out is not just that he wanted to privatize and charterize the public schools of Los Angeles but rather the assumptions at the base of his argument. He always made it about "the kids" versus a lazy and obstinate teaching staff that could only be spurred into action under the threat of eminent termination. Villaraigosa and all the other acolytes of market discipline in our public schools claim that once market discipline is applied to the public school, vastly superior educations will be had by the kids and that education will allow kids, especially, poor and disadvantaged kids, to rack up UC and Ivy League degrees which will create vast amounts of upward mobility.

This vision is the epitome of neoliberal, professional-managerial class solidarity, new Democratic thinking. First this vision assumes that teachers just are not real professionals unlike doctors, lawyers, politicians, journalists, stockbrokers and CEOs. While the former can be trusted to self regulate, be reasonable when deciding their and their peers' rates of compensation and are assumed to always act in the interests of the public and their clients; teachers, by contrast are losers who deserve low wages and precarity. The charter advocates go on to claim that teaching is not a skill but rather it is rote work where the final output is based solely on focus and hustle which can only be increased when teachers are made into at will employees.

Finally, the neolibs, assume that education actually is a great equalizer. Even if the poor kids got a better education (which is unlikely, good luck attracting people with graduate degrees while offering far lower wages and less job security than is offered now), they will get blown out of the water by rich kids whose parents can afford college admission coaches before their sojourn and whose parents will offer up leads and job offers afterward.

The love affair with charter schools, among Democrats, shows how much of the party wants to break the strongest remaining bastion of organized labor. It also shows why neolibs love to talk about education as a class equalizer. They are unwilling to talk about things like jobs guarantees, affordable housing policy or even things like regional mass transit systems. Heck, they cannot even talk about reducing student debt. Their own hobby horse, education, cannot ever be an equalizer if poor and middle class kids graduate with debt the size of a mortgage. Lastly, neolibs love talking about education because it kicks the can down the road. Redistribution and social programs for the grown ups can be done right now, education "reform's" results (even if they were real) will take a decade or two.

Back to Villaraigosa, Californians need to reject him. He is not a Democrat running in some deep red State or District. This guy wants to run the most progressive State in America. If we cannot punish neoliberal charlatans on this terrain, then I wonder how effective electioneering is on its own absent more revolutionary direct action.
 
Imma be honest, I wanted him to make the general with Newsom. That way the Republican vote might be really suppressed and a down-ballot liberal bloodbath could take place. Giving the Dems a better shot at the House.
 
RustyShackleford said:
Imma be honest, I wanted him to make the general with Newsom. That way the Republican vote might be really suppressed and a down-ballot liberal bloodbath could take place. Giving the Dems a better shot at the House.
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But that result can be achieved as long as Republicans are not on the ballot. Newsom versus Eastin or Chiang would be better for progressive and would still help the National Democratic Party.
 
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Damn, even these dudes would walk 500 miles + 500 miles more:

 
Villaraigosa wasn’t even a good mayor for the city of LA
Chiang has my vote
 
Back story in case no one is aware, the day(s) news came out that 1000+ immigrant children we're missing, crime Princess Ivanka tweeted out a photo hugging her kid with a bunch of gibberish rubbing it in peoples face. So Samantha Bee ripped her a new one on her show that evening and called her a c***t.
 
Despite what they say, nothing Samantha Bee has said is racist. They're are trying hard to deflect and muddy the waters.
 
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More previously unreported details about secret meetings
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...-scrutiny-mueller-n876361?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Jared Kushner close friend Rick Gerson now under scrutiny from Mueller
Gerson met with a UAE royal in the Seychelles around the time of a secret meeting there between Trump friend Erik Prince and Russian and Emirati officials.
A close friend of Jared Kushner has come under scrutiny by Special Counsel Robert Mueller for his proximity to some key meetings between Trump associates and foreign officials, according to five people familiar with the matter.

Richard Gerson, a hedge-fund manager in New York, was in the Seychelles in January 2017, less than two weeks before President Donald Trump's inauguration and around the time Trump associate Erik Prince secretly met with Russian and United Arab Emirates officials, including Crown Prince Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, four of the people said.



While in the remote Indian Ocean island nation, Gerson met with Prince Mohammed — also known by his initials as MBZ — and communicated with a Lebanese-American businessman with close ties to the UAE, George Nader, who had organized the Erik Prince meeting, according to text messages Gerson sent at the time and a person familiar with the meeting.

Gerson had met Nader just weeks earlier when Trump officials, including Kushner, gathered for a secret meeting with MBZ at a Four Seasons hotel in New York, four people familiar with the meeting said. Trump's incoming national security adviser Michael Flynn and chief political adviser Steve Bannon, as well as the UAE's ambassador to the U.S., Yousef Otaiba, also attended the meeting.

Gerson's presence in the Seychelles and at the Four Seasons meeting has not been previously reported.

Mueller's interest in Gerson is another sign that he is examining connections between the UAE and Trump associates. Counterintelligence investigators have been scrutinizing UAE influence in the Trump campaign since before Mueller was appointed as special counsel, and the probe has continued in coordination with Mueller's team, according to two people briefed on the investigation.

A spokesman for Gerson declined to say why Gerson met with MBZ in the Seychelles or communicated with Nader while there. The spokesman emphasized that Gerson did not participate in the meeting Erik Prince attended with Russian and Emirati officials.


"Mr. Gerson was on vacation in the Seychelles prior to the meeting you reference. He knew nothing about the meeting, had left before the meeting was reported to have taken place, and has never met or communicated with Erik Prince," the spokesman said.

The spokesman said Gerson's involvement in the December meeting at the Four Seasons in New York was limited to escorting former British Prime Minister Tony Blair to the meeting, so he could give the participants a presentation on Israeli-Palestinian peace.

"Mr. Gerson attended the meeting in New York along with Mr. Blair to discuss this issue," the spokesman said, adding that Gerson has known Blair since Blair's time as an envoy for the Middle East Quartet, a diplomatic coalition comprised of the U.S., European Union, United Nations and Russia that focuses on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


Kushner has led the Trump administration's efforts on an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal. He has also come under scrutiny by Mueller and spent more than six hours speaking to investigators in April.

The Senate Intelligence Committee also has looked into Gerson's presence at the Seychelles and other meetings related to the UAE, according to two officials briefed on the matter.

Two people familiar with the meetings said they inferred that Gerson was there because of his connection to Kushner. One of them said UAE officials considered Gerson to be "Kushner's guy."

Mueller is investigating whether the Seychelles meeting with Erik Prince was an effort to set up a backchannel between the incoming Trump administration and the Russian government. He's also looked into the Four Seasons meeting, which the Obama White House only later learned about because the UAE had broken protocol by not informing the outgoing administration that MBZ was in the U.S.

Mueller's team has asked witnesses about Gerson's proximity to key meetings, according to three people familiar with the questioning.


Gerson's spokesman declined to say whether Gerson has been personally contacted by Mueller.

A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined to comment, as did Otaiba and a lawyer for Nader.

A lawyer for Jared Kushner did not respond to a request for comment on Gerson. A spokesman for Tony Blair also did not respond for a request for comment on the December 2016 meeting in New York.

A spokesperson for Erik Prince declined to comment on Gerson and reiterated that Prince has said he was in the Seychelles solely to meet MBZ.


Gerson, who goes by Rick, founded Falcon Edge Capital, LP, of which he serves as chairman and chief investment officer. He has been friends with Kushner for more than a decade. Gerson had pursued business with the UAE prior to the 2016 election.

A foreign intelligence official told NBC News that a flight manifest shows Gerson was on a plane to the Seychelles with other Americans a few days ahead of the Prince meeting.

That meeting around Jan. 11, 2017 included MBZ; Nader; Prince, a security contractor who is a Trump confidant and the founder of the private security company once known as Blackwater; and Kirill Dmitriev, the CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, who is close to Putin.

On Jan. 10, 2017, Nader and Gerson exchanged messages on WhatsApp, according to three people familiar with the messages. In one message, Nader sent Gerson a photo of himself and MBZ that he said was taken in December 2016 while they were in Morocco, these people said. They said Gerson replied that he was unable to make it to Morocco because he was with his children in Anguilla and because of that he came to Seychelles instead.


In another message exchange a few days later, Nader sent Gerson an article about Jared Kushner and his brother, Josh. Gerson replied that he's good friends with both of them, according to the people familiar with the messages. They said Nader responded that he'd heard when he was in New York how much Jared Kushner respects Gerson, adding: "Remember at Four Seasons!"

Gerson and Nader's relationship expanded after Trump's inauguration, when they began discussing business and policy, these people said.

Mueller's team has also asked questions about a meeting Gerson attended with Kushner and Bannon in New York in early 2017, according to the New York Times.

Nader has been cooperating with Mueller's probe since January and already has given several days of testimony to investigators, a development first reported by the New York Times and confirmed by NBC News.


Erik Prince has described the meeting with Dmitriev as an impromptu encounter. He told the House Intelligence Committee one of the UAE officials he was meeting with in the Seychelles about potential business deals suggested he see Dmitriev.

"And at the end, one of the entourage says, 'Hey by the way, there's this Russian guy that we've dealt with in the past. He's here also to see someone from the Emirati delegation. And you should meet him. He'd be an interesting guy for you to know, since you're doing a lot in the oil and gas and mineral space,'" Prince told lawmakers.

The inclusion of a wealthy businessman with close ties to the president's son-in-law in meetings with foreign officials suggests a potential mixing of personal and government business by Trump associates, according to Robert Anderson, a principal at the Chertoff Group and former executive assistant director at the FBI. It also raises questions about outside influence on the Trump administration's policy decisions, he said.

"The intent of the meetings is key," Anderson said. "Mueller would be looking at whether he tried to utilize his position as someone attached to the incoming administration to benefit financially or whether he tried to influence U.S. policy by making introductions between Trump associates and the international community."
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Totally disagree with Bill O. Clown needs to sit down, shut up, dribble and do it live. African Americans have always known about racism. We didn't need bigot Roseanne to remind us, all we have to do is look around and see how "straight white male" has become this generation's racial slur. That's all the proof we needed that racism from Libs is alive and well.
 
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Despite what they say, nothing Samantha Bee has said is racist. They're are trying hard to deflect and muddy the waters.
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It's absolutely insane, but people on the right don't think that what Roseanne said is racist.
 
aepps20 said:
Totally disagree with Bill O. Clown needs to sit down, shut up, dribble and do it live. African Americans have always known about racism especially. We didn't need bigot Roseanne to remind us, all we have to do is look around and see how "straight white male" has become this generation's racial slur. That's all the proof we needed that racism from Libs is alive and well.
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Jesus Christ you got me :rollin

For a second I thought you were out of character.
 
Cynthia Nixon trending on twitter again :pimp: I don't think she's gonna win, but she is forcing Cuomo farther left which is a win in and of itself.
And she might actually get them to fix the terrible goddamn signal system we have for the MTA, without ever becoming Governor :lol:
 
The bumbling buffoon went on for months crying about his tax plan. The party of David Duke Lincoln strikes again

Trump's tariffs could eat into tax cuts for Americans

President Donald Trump and the Republicans love to tout their recent overhaul of the tax code, including trillions in tax cuts. Their big promise: It'll be great for the American economy and average people by increasing investment, jobs and wages. But any benefits from the new tax law may be undercut by Trump's imposition of tariffs.
 
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