***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[mplsdunk]

Exactly, none of this is a new concept. This is what happens wealth is hoarded. It’s been happening since I don’t know when? Roman Empire? Probably before that even.

 

[sfc415]

I don’t think we should go around killing people like him, but their lives should definitely be made as difficult as possible. Even then, that won’t even come close to how difficult life is for the people UHC actively harms.

I think in this case there’s a level of vigilante justice and fighting back against a corrupt system they have no way of changing. That resonates in a society looking for some kind of change from all the societal ruts people feel stuck in.

If you look at history, most revolutions involve some level of violence. I’ve always thought the direction everything has gone in the past decade won’t be resolved without violence. So I see this as more of an outcome of what a lot of people are feeling is necessary to make progress in a country with a govt seemingly against it and the will of the people.

IMO we have too many apathetic people and people who have just given up for any revolution. Americans who fought for civil, labor, voting, etc. rights in the face of death or imprisonment hardly exist anymore.

Look at how the 2020 protests fizzled out. I was so naive to think that was a sign of the country being fed up and our generation taking control for the better. They started off well, but like everything else in this country, ended up becoming mostly bored losers hopping on the latest trend for social media clout.

99% of people I know who were posting slogans and black squares during that time have had ZERO political involvement since then.

 

[mplsdunk]

cops started going to jail… Derek chauvin would be free otherwise.

 

[sfc415]

cops started going to jail… Derek chauvin would be free otherwise.

Thats what I mean by starting off well. People demanded justice and took to the streets to make it happen. But how long did that last? Now we’re back to where we were decades ago thanks to voter apathy, with cops most likely gaining more immunity to repeat that bull $@&$ going forward.

Americans used to fight for change for YEARS until the government had no choice but to give in. Our generation’s major protest didn’t even last an entire summer.

I remember going out there feeling hopeful…only to run into so many people treating the protest and rally like it like Coachella or some @&$@. “I hope something crazy happens LOL”

 

[mplsdunk]

All you can do is take it to the streets again if you have too.

Trump was still the president then and Jacob Frey is still the mayor of Minneapolis currently.

Both POS were in charge when it happened.

It’s always going to be a fight no matter what, racism, social issues, labor so on and so on you’ll always be fighting for it.

 

[sfc415]

All you can do is take it to the streets again if you have too.

Trump was still the president then and Jacob Frey is still the mayor of Minneapolis currently.

Both POS were in charge when it happened.

It’s always going to be a fight no matter what, racism, social issues, labor so on and so on you’ll always be fighting for it.

I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying at all. I just don’t think our generation or future generations will ever care enough or be brave enough to consistently fight for that.

You can’t even so many of them to vote. Every single person I interact with is very vocally anti Trump/Republican, but based on what I’ve heard, probably 10-20% of them even voted in November. “What’s the point, my vote won’t make a difference anyway” is the most common reason I hear for not voting.

People like us in this thread know this is by design (being led to believe your vote doesn’t matter or count) but the average person is too stupid or lazy to get past that.

On that note, I have to give Republicans credit for being amazing at getting their supporters to vote. They’ll do whatever it takes to get their base fired up via social media, because they know Americans are mostly simpletons with short attention spans and lack of critical thinking skills.

You remember English and history classes back in the day where the 2.0 GPA students completely tuned out and used their limited brainpower for MySpace and Xanga beef instead? They’re now the Twitter conspiracy theory adults that Democrats have to somehow explain actual policies and consequences to. GOOD LUCK

 

[mplsdunk]

I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying at all. I just don’t think our generation or future generations will ever care enough or be brave enough to consistently fight for that.

You can’t even so many of them to vote. Every single person I interact with is very vocally anti Trump/Republican, but based on what I’ve heard, probably 10-20% of them even voted in November. “What’s the point, my vote won’t make a difference anyway” is the most common reason I hear for not voting. People like us in this thread know this is by design (being led to believe your vote doesn’t matter or count) but the average person is too stupid or lazy to get past that.

yeah they don't believe in the system, doesn't mean they can't make a change though. even if every elected politician is a democrat you're still going to have bs.

look at Minneapolis, jabob Frey was in bed with the old police chief and let them do whatever they want.

 

[balldontlie206]

I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying at all. I just don’t think our generation or future generations will ever care enough or be brave enough to consistently fight for that.

You can’t even get them to vote. Every single person I interact with is very vocally anti Trump/Republican, but based on what I’ve heard, probably 10% of them even voted in November.

Americans have been able to enjoy relative stability in comparison to other parts of the world, and in turn its created the notion for many that whomever is in power doesn't matter, the machine continues on. In some ways, its not wrong to believe that because its by design.

But... we still need to be mindful about the WHO part because thats ultimately what drives the context in between everything.

 

[Air Champa]

Too many people still have comfortable lives for there to be a serious revolution in the U.S. It would take something worse than the Great Depression to change that.

It's hard to get motivated if you're on your Playstation5 every day and drowning in a pile of Cheeto dust.

 

[rexanglorum]

Alluding to what gry60 said about social contracts not being viable when elites do not adhere to it,

A good social contract is one that provides for everyone’s basic needs AND ensures the “king’s peace.” (I supposed an updated version would be “the people’s peace”)

If you deny people healthcare, you’ve shirked the social contract. If our elites have decided that death by neglect is the leftwing approach to homelessness, our elites have really shirked their duty within the social contract.

But in either case, the redress is not killing people as some sort of vigilante fantasy.

 

[mplsdunk]

don't forget social security cuts, poor people will work until they die or go the homeless route.

 

[rexanglorum]

Moving from stochastic homicide in NYC, we move to, South Korea…



The thing about an incel coup/revolution is that they’d need at least some of the military.

The problem for the would be groyper revolutionaries is that no one in the military is an incel. Most of them are married before they turn 21.

Well that’s the case in the US.


In the case of South Korea, they have near universal male military service. So they do have incels in their ranks but they also have far more normies, liberals, moderate conservatives, leftists, market fundamentalists et al. in their ranks as well.

Incels will, by definition, never be over represented at the highest levels of power.

They may be an emerging and odious voting bloc, but their Napoleonic fantasies are extremely unlikely to materialize.

osh kosh bosh curious what you think of this assessment, as a fellow revolutions pod head.

 

[dacomeup]

 

[Lizakers]

 

[Lizakers]

 

[rexanglorum]

Best I can guess is pure, unadulterated hubris.

Diminishing marginal returns on consumption make the distinction between multimillionaires and multibillionaires, almost null when it comes to additional personal utility associated with such stratospheric levels of wealth accumulation.

People like Elon Musk believe that they know better than everyone else on every single topic. They are using their vast amounts of private capital to give themselves as much decision making power over the state as they believe is their due.


My prediction about Elon’s fate will be that of the tall poppy flower.

Scores of scores of not famous, moderately rich people will act to restrain and perhaps even punish him for being too disruptive. And since the late 19th century, those scores of scores (the class conscious rich) have been reigning in the personal ambitions of the ultra greedy, lumpen super rich.

In our political system, 100,000 kinda rich people harmed by austerity and/or mass deportation and/or tariffs and/or certain types of deregulation will gather more than enough political power to contest a few ultra wealthy currently pillaging the treasury.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Too many people still have comfortable lives for there to be a serious revolution in the U.S. It would take something worse than the Great Depression to change that.

It's hard to get motivated if you're on your Playstation5 every day and drowning in a pile of Cheeto dust.

This is spot on. I remember back in some of my political science classes back in 2011 when the Arab Spring protests were going on. A lot of the discourse in the class was about why nothing like that would ever happen in the USA. There’s too much complacency. For as bad as things are here, there is a level of comfort. In comparison, with all the Arab Spring stuff in 2011, there was much more urgency, much more potential for bad things to happen if the protests didn’t achieve any success.

In comparison look how fast occupy Wall Street fizzled out later that year. Once police started arresting people it was a wrap. It would have to be something real bad universally where even the “it don’t affect me” “f you I got mine” couldn’t try to put a contrarian spin on it because the negative impact it has on them would be undeniable as well for people to really be about that uprising action in large numbers. But I could see things fizzling out the second the government gets shook and throws out some type of half *** olive branch they’ll only follow in the short term.

 

[Based Jesus]

If Daniel Penny were a black man he wouldn't be a national hero and the jury would've found him guilty on all charges by now. That's fairly obvious but I have a feeling the answer you're actually searching for is some sort of "reverse racism" gotcha. Be better.

 

[1995]

Come on fellas....everyone's a racist these days smh......just cuz you watch Fox and vote for Trump doesn't make you a racist. Maybe they're just fiscal conservatives who want to pay less taxes.....you can't lump people into groups like that and call them all racist. Not right. And how would a racist be a basketball player? He touches black people, get their sweat on him, probably grew up alongside them playing ball, laughing, hugging, touching.....how can you hate that whole race and be so close to them your whole life? Makes no sense to me. This type of thinking is what got Trump elected.....the backlash of white people being sick and tired of being called racist or politically incorrect. Can we go back to calling people racist for real racist actions or racist speech, not just because of a haircut or a channel they watch on TV?

Jazz got 3 guards on the roster tonight But Ingles, Gobert and Mitchell gonna kill us

I really hurt for what’s happening in this country. I truly do. I’ve hooped since I was 8, been around black people my whole life. Hip hop sneaker culture everything. Bought my first Tribe album in 1992 lol

It hurts me that they are hurting. I hope the nation can heal. America has deep issues

I just feel a lot of times we take for granted all the GOOD this country has to offer. But I also understand when you feel oppressed then you’re not trying to hear all that.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Moving from stochastic homicide in NYC, we move to, South Korea…



The thing about an incel coup/revolution is that they’d need at least some of the military.

The problem for the would be groyper revolutionaries is that no one in the military is an incel. Most of them are married before they turn 21.

Well that’s the case in the US.


In the case of South Korea, they have near universal male military service. So they do have incels in their ranks but they also have far more normies, liberals, moderate conservatives, leftists, market fundamentalists et al. in their ranks as well.

Incels will, by definition, never be over represented at the highest levels of power.

They may be an emerging and odious voting bloc, but their Napoleonic fantasies are extremely unlikely to materialize.

osh kosh bosh curious what you think of this assessment, as a fellow revolutions pod head.

"incels" has basically turned into a slur that means "low status male"

"real" incels fall into two categories.

1. Low mate value males who have sucked into a cult of learned helplessness.
2. Extreme right wingers high on psychopathy

there will never be an incel revolution because there is way more of category 1. than there is of category 2.

also the whole point being an incel is not taking initiative. and revolution requires initiative that category 1 doesn't have.


also in reading about asian an Korean culture, I think there are really unique parts of it that are not applicable to the west. so i think the 4b stuff, or the kind of low status male problem they have there isn't really applicable to the west.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Best I can guess is pure, unadulterated hubris.

Diminishing marginal returns on consumption make the distinction between multimillionaires and multibillionaires, almost null when it comes to additional personal utility associated with such stratospheric levels of wealth accumulation.

People like Elon Musk believe that they know better than everyone else on every single topic. They are using their vast amounts of private capital to give themselves as much decision making power over the state as they believe is their due.


My prediction about Elon’s fate will be that of the tall poppy flower.

Scores of scores of not famous, moderately rich people will act to restrain and perhaps even punish him for being too disruptive. And since the late 19th century, those scores of scores (the class conscious rich) have been reigning in the personal ambitions of the ultra greedy, lumpen super rich.

In our political system, 100,000 kinda rich people harmed by austerity and/or mass deportation and/or tariffs and/or certain types of deregulation will gather more than enough political power to contest a few ultra wealthy currently pillaging the treasury.

I am really really skeptical of this narrative that people hate billionaires. or that trying to make being a billionaire seem immoral is a persuasive political tactic.

This is anecdotal, but I recently was having dinner with some people, and they had some family in Canada from Brazil on a work visas;

These dudes are construction workers, and this summer they were working on some renovations to the Tesla factory....all the working class Brazilian dudes were so excited to be working for Tesla and tangentially elon musk.
when you work for Tesla you get a Tesla ID sticker badge you get with your face it, they carefully removed the sticker from their shirt and stuck it to a piece of paper because they wanted to show all the people back home they worked for Tesla.


I think people who attracted to America or Canada, tend to be the type of people who think being a billionaire is cool, and Elon Musk is cool. And I think Elon Musk vocally stumping for Trump really helped Trump.


People don't like business like insurance or finance where it seems like nothing tangible is produced. but Billionaires in general? I'd bet most famous billionaires have a pretty positive public perception.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[gry60]

but Billionaires in general? I'd bet most famous billionaires have a pretty positive public perception

Most billionaires are anonymous.

Trump and Elon Musk have a public image that is the exception of the general perception that people have of billionaires. Rappers were name-dropping Trump in the 90s, even though he was already fleecing contractors, denying black renters access to his apartments, and calling for the execution of innocent black men.

Trump has been part of the cultural fabric of America for a very long time. That is what has helped his image. Same with Musk.

 

[biggie62]

Most billionaires are anonymous.

Trump and Elon Musk have a public image that is the exception of the general perception that people have of billionaires. Rappers were name-dropping Trump in the 90s, even though he was already fleecing contractors, denying black renters access to his apartments, and calling for the execution of innocent black men.

Trump has been part of the cultural fabric of America for a very long time. That is what has helped his image. Same with Musk.

This. So the PE firm my friend works for everyone knew the 2 names in the name and that they were billionaires. There are 5 other managing partners who were not known nor their net worth until an interview came out with Forbes and the main MP. He sort of leaked how much he was worth and they were able to backtrack and determine that those 2 MPs we were about 4-6 billion each. It got out in public and they were furious. Situations like these happen more often than not. Most people work hard to keep their NW quiet and that is the way to go. Now they were forced to hire private security and stuff.

When I was at my friends wedding this past September the 2 tables next to us were all those MPs. They had security around the building and around the complex watching everything during the 3 days we were at the resort. It was wild to experience that level of scrutiny for that long. Only thing similar I ever experienced was at work, Obama stayed at the hotel across the street from my office during UN week. We saw a sniper on one of the roofs chilling there just watching if somebody did something stupid.

 

[mplsdunk]

I worked at the W hotel during the RNC back in the day. It was a wild experience. Snipers everywhere on all the roofs.

I’ve met one billionaire that I know of, big mining/asphalt plant guy who sold it all when he retired. He was cool he invited me to his bday and said I could hunt his property. I don’t hunt.

I cut a road into his man cave massive garage. That’s how I met him.