***Official Political Discussion Thread***

I got banned from this thread for 6/7 years for constantly antagonizing and provoking Dwalk and Ninjahood, with the explanation that I shouldn’t be verbally abusing them even if their views are trash. I thought that was fair (and also worth it at the time, because Ninja’s death threats towards me helped get him permabanned from NT).

I’ve gotten many warnings in other threads for the same reason (attacking people who were clearly in the wrong) so I don’t think playing the victim and acting like Meth has it out for only him is accurate
 
I’ve gotten many warnings in other threads for the same reason (attacking people who were clearly in the wrong) so I don’t think playing the victim and acting like Meth has it out for only him is accurate

This is refreshing to hear. I’ve also received fair warnings years ago (in my PMs) that I promptly addressed. For instance, I use to reply “Yikes” a lot and stopped because it was deemed sea-lioning by Meth (and Rusty). But I don't even remember attacks from you, unless you changed your username. With that said, the usual suspects trolled me for years in here.

I think the biggest issue that I’m addressing is degree. I haven’t personally attacked anyone. No matter what people call me. No matter the meme or gif. I largely ignore it all. When I do post, it is generally a repost related to recent political events or an observation intended to spark conversation.

My latest post highlighted that there was no discussion around gun violence surrounding the killing of the United CEO. Indeed, a large amount of posts both in here and in other areas of social media seemingly cheered the murder.

The point of me highlighting it was that if we are serious about addressing gun violence, then we need to address it even when the victim may be someone we disagree with philosophically. It reminds me of my anti-death penalty stance. I keep that stance, even when I disagree with the person facing it, because I know that support for it disproportionately impacts people that look like me. All of this seemed worthy of thoughtful discussion in the political discussion thread to me.
 
I admittedly am not a healthcare employee but if labor isn't the largest cost it would be the only industry where that is the case. Additionally, if the real issue is admin as you claim, that can go down right along with it. Are you saying there administrative labor makes more on aggregate or average? I find both hard to believe.

I do agree that these potential savings wouldn't be passed on to consumers in the current state. This is not a reason to avoid it with any reform. I am simply stating it should be apart of the conversation. Also, lets not forget the incentives for these doctors to push certain medications on consumers (Sackler ect...)

AI as I insinuated but acknowledge may not have been entirely clear on, is not currently in the place to replace doctors, nor would I ever want that to be the case. I don't want less doctors, I want more and better ones, and I think AI has the potential to improve practitioner performance and as AI integrates into medicine I absolutely would feel comfortable being seen by a machine for minor to routine checkups. I also feel I am not alone in that sentiment.



Non profit hospital CEOs made an average of 1.3 million in 2019. And that's the nonprofit hospitals. Not even going to get into the for profit joints.

And take a look at any hospital discharge bills. Room and board, testing (CT, MRI, etc), and medicine make up far, far more of just about any bill than physician services.

There's actually a physician shortage. I'm sure you're in or near a big city so you might not notice it but there are large parts of the country where it is increasingly difficult to even find a doctor. A leading reason for dissatisfaction with physicians is how little time they get to actually see patients because most of their time is taken up by paperwork and admin tasks. I'll give you one guess the reason for that. And you want to pay them less but want more and better ones?

balldontlie206 balldontlie206 nailed it. The overwhelming cause of the problems in modern healthcare are driven by insurance

I get it. You've been to urgent care a couple times for an ear infection or strep or whatever. The doctor sees you for 3 minutes and confirms what you already knew and then you see the bill was $500 and think you can do it. But I can guarantee you your doctor's pay is a tiny portion of that bill.
 
The goal is to make federal jobs de facto at will and then use that as leverage and as a way to hire and fire for patronage purposes,
That's an integral part of building a government body that is loyal first, competent second.

Bonus if you can also leverage acts of corruption against the people you nominate in those positions. Place corrupt people in positions of authority under you, and all of a sudden, disobeying the leader means that he can send the FBI/IRS/SEC after you for all kinds of financial improprieties that he looked past. It's not your occupation that is in play anymore; it's your freedom and the well-being of your loved ones.

These are the internal politics of many autocracies/managed democracies.
 
I got banned from this thread for 6/7 years for constantly antagonizing and provoking Dwalk and Ninjahood, with the explanation that I shouldn’t be verbally abusing them even if their views are trash. I thought that was fair (and also worth it at the time, because Ninja’s death threats towards me helped get him permabanned from NT).

I’ve gotten many warnings in other threads for the same reason (attacking people who were clearly in the wrong) so I don’t think playing the victim and acting like Meth has it out for only him is accurate
I did get warned a long time for telling someone to ****.

Unlike Delk, I can learn.
 
Calls for violence are against our forum rules.

This includes wishing for or celebrating someone’s death.

The amount of times I’ve had to reiterate this over the past twelve months is appalling.


If all you have planned for the next four years is more low effort trolling, it’s going to end with you losing access -and soon.



Too be fair the fact that you had to reiterate this so much over the last 12 months is more a sign of the times than I think people who are running the government are willing to admit.

The republicans lied to get into office by denying their intent to inact plan 2025, had a favorable map, and rode the wave of global inflation to a three house majority based on an only a few house votes and blatant cheating to get SC seats. Trump got essentially the same amount of votes he lost with in 2020.

They do not have a Mandate for radical change. Even their own echo chamber attacked congress on Jan 6th and there is a chance they will pardon those people.

However they are talking about tariffs, Austerity measures, likely to pivot to go after the ACA, leaving Ukraine and Palestine to be slaughtered, and want to gut the federal government to cut back on regulations while giving the wealthy taxes.

I am not saying violence is justified, but America has a gun problem too and we saw a rise in violence against politicians and now the wealthy before this push to make radical changes that they once again do not have any mandate for.

These politicians are not listening at all to the thunder of the storm they are making for themselves.
 
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$35k is going to get you a week of housing and a few books. Not sure what college her daughter was planning on going to. :lol:

I am baffled too why someone would be a "big fan". It was kind of a funny moment and should have been over a long time ago - I fail to see what would make me take other lifestyle advice from her?
 
These politicians are not listening at all to the thunder of the storm they are making for themselves.
this is the heart of the matter here. And not just politicians (from both parties), but as we can see, the ruling class in general.

The incoming administration wants to turn this country into 1933 Germany or Italy. However, if the online response to the killing of the CEO is any indication of the political mood right now, they might just get 1917 Russia instead ^^
 
I am baffled too why someone would be a "big fan". It was kind of a funny moment and should have been over a long time ago - I fail to see what would make me take other lifestyle advice from her?
Those people absolutely deserve to get rugged for every penny they have.
Imagine invstiing in a Hawk Tuah coin, I mean come on...
I'd be sympathetic if the scam was like somewhat sophisticated but literally everything about it was like a giant flashing light saying you were gonna get rugged.
And they keep falling for the same ****** rugs over and over and over.

The real issue is that government does absolutely nothing about rugpulling or even massive sophisticated crypto schemes worth tens of millions.
Logan Paul is unfortunately a very high profile individual and there isn't even a hint of a criminal investigation against him and his co-conspirators for the massive CryptoZoo scam. All he's facing is a lawsuit from the people who lost money.
Logan Paul is also suing the guy who uncovered and reported the entire scheme to try and silence him, go figure.

Pretty much every crypto scam this guy exposes, with actual hard evidence, goes entirely without consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/@Coffeezilla/videos

Here he confronts the Hawk Tuah woman and her co-conspirators
 
I am baffled too why someone would be a "big fan". It was kind of a funny moment and should have been over a long time ago - I fail to see what would make me take other lifestyle advice from her?
Yeah i'm confused by that, big fan of what exactly? Also I don't think that situation should be rectified. The consequence of this awful decision now will save them much more in the future.
 
I supported President Obama and I also supported President Biden and Vice President Harris. You allowed me to be taunted and antagonized over supporting President Trump during one election cycle, even after I admitted the mistake.


You literally skipped over posts saying “Shut up, Delk” prior to chiding me about alleged trolling—despite name-calling being against forum rules. Numerous gifs are aimed at me, with no warning, but it’s trolling worthy of revoking access If I mention that gun reform is not brought up during the killing of the United CEO, in the political discussion thread? I’m not even a conservative. I supported arguably the least truly conservative Republican candidate during one election cycle and then said it was a mistake and went back to openly supporting the Democratic candidate—as I had done for years prior. Your personal politics and beliefs impact not only how you respond to posts but also how you moderate the forum.


Shallow taunts aren’t allowed in the political discussion thread? When did that start? Also, you think I’m the violator of that “rule?” Seriously? Most things are not debated in good faith in here. There are drive-by gifs, jokes, memes, name-calling and more in this thread. Calling out a failed opportunity to discuss gun reform in the political discussion thread is hardly the taunting you suggest.


If you’re truly here to moderate this thread fairly and not just bully post against posters you feel have different politics than you, it is time for you to show that. You don’t need to announce revoking my access—you can just do it. The ONLY reason to announce it, and post these long messages to just me, is to chill speech from posters you feel you disagree with. Unlike a lot of posters on here, I’m not going to simply capitulate to that. Like I said, run your forum however you want. But you aren’t operating honestly if you feel that you treat my posts the same as others. I received no warning for my post. I rarely even post in this thread anymore due to the taunts I’ve received. Your entire schtick is disingenuous and any objective viewer can see that.
I'm fairly sure I've always had cordial conversation with you (correct me if I misremember) but the antagonistic trolling is and has been very obvious for anyone to see for years. :lol:
Personally I don't care about trolling, namecalling or whatever but this gaslighting and victim act isn't going to work on a single person. You've stated you're a lawyer, thus you should know very well how the intent of a post is going to be received.
 
Those people absolutely deserve to get rugged for every penny they have.
Imagine invstiing in a Hawk Tuah coin, I mean come on...
I'd be sympathetic if the scam was like somewhat sophisticated but literally everything about it was like a giant flashing light saying you were gonna get rugged.
And they keep falling for the same ****** rugs over and over and over.

The real issue is that government does absolutely nothing about rugpulling or even massive sophisticated crypto schemes worth tens of millions.
Logan Paul is unfortunately a very high profile individual and there isn't even a hint of a criminal investigation against him and his co-conspirators for the massive CryptoZoo scam. All he's facing is a lawsuit from the people who lost money.
Logan Paul is also suing the guy who uncovered and reported the entire scheme to try and silence him, go figure.

Pretty much every crypto scam this guy exposes, with actual hard evidence, goes entirely without consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/@Coffeezilla/videos

Here he confronts the Hawk Tuah woman and her co-conspirators


Americans are obsessed with pissing their money away, hawk tuah, SPORTS BETTING, gambling everywhere, gas station, casino, bar etc etc.

nobody wants protection in crypto if you get rugged thats on you. :lol outside of BTC its just another form of gambling.
 
I'm fairly sure I've always had cordial conversation with you (correct me if I misremember) but the antagonistic trolling is and has been very obvious for anyone to see for years. :lol:
Personally I don't care about trolling, namecalling or whatever but this gaslighting and victim act isn't going to work on a single person. You've stated you're a lawyer, thus you should know very well how the intent of a post is going to be received.

You have been. You and even Rusty I believe operate under the guidance that has been given. But it seems that the goalposts of acceptable forum conduct shift when I post.

My issue is that there are numerous individuals in this thread who antagonize and troll; however, my post highlighting hypocrisy related to gun violence discussion gets a lengthy response from Meth threatening to revoke my access. The response is not the same and my conduct is also nowhere near the same as the others that are legit name calling, mocking, and quoting me with gifs and memes.

If this was baseball, it’d be like the ump calling entirely different strikezones for both teams.

A more personal example is when I was much younger going to certain spots and being let in with people that don’t look like me while being prevented from entering with people who do look like me under the pretext of a dress code—despite both groups wearing the same thing.
 
Crypto feels like a small group of dudes who get rich by superficially hyping up a larger group of uninformed dudes. It's the same feeling as the whole GameStop/AMC thing a few years ago. A couple dudes made millions and a larger group of wannabe finance bros were losing hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands of dollars... but somehow felt great because they "stayed in" and didn't sell. It's wild.
 
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