mplsdunk
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Half my co workers are on it. They still eat like crap and won’t get off their ***.
I have a feeling it won’t end well.
I have a feeling it won’t end well.
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Nike Jordan
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Semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy) isn't the cure-all drug people make it out to be.
It makes it a lot easier, but you still have to put in the work to lose weight.
It makes it a lot easier, but you still have to put in the work to lose weight.
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by "miracle" i don't mean "no side effects"
im aware of the side effects, but given the scale of the problem of obesity, and how intractable the issue is and how bad it is for your health.
semi glutides are basically a miracle.
as with any drug its a cost benefit analysis, and if you've been struggling with obesity your entire life, I think you'd be crazy not to ask your doctor about it.
- Aug 2, 2006
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being obese is really really really bad for you, it's a problem that no country has found a solution for
obesity have rates have actually fallen for the first time in forever.
i think people are underrating how wild this invention is.
it can have side effects and still be an amazing pharmacological achievement.
obesity have rates have actually fallen for the first time in forever.
i think people are underrating how wild this invention is.
it can have side effects and still be an amazing pharmacological achievement.
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I think Ozyempic/Wegovy is net positive for society. Yes at the end of the day you will need better discipline and live a healthy livestyle overall if you want to maintain a change in your weight, that should always be promoted. There will be some people that take it and don't do that but there will be some that will. Idc about the people who would abuse it or the people who just see it as a shortcut then fall back into the old ways. At the end of the day overall if we can use these things to help more people in society that struggle with weight and eating problems get out of obesity/stay out of obesity and the health issues that come with that its worth it and a net positive.
solewoman
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- Jul 27, 2006
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I eat maybe 3-6 eggs a day and nothing ever changed. The increase was minimal
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being obese is really really really bad for you, it's a problem that no country has found a solution for
obesity have rates have actually fallen for the first time in forever.
i think people are underrating how wild this invention is.
it can have side effects and still be an amazing pharmacological achievement.
We need to improve the quality of food people actually eat. Start taxing fast food sodas and juices which is bad such as we do with cigarettes. But you know people ***** about freedoms. Freedom doesn’t mean an excuse to not give a **** and then society cares for your horrible decisions.
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It was only bad during that stretch of bird flu in what 2022/2021?
- Aug 2, 2006
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sure. but easier said than done.
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this fat chick nurse at my gym was lecturing a few people about the unknown side effects. Felt like saying, so? You really rather be fat?
mplsdunk
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People eat like trash, drink too much, sit all day and will work out in January.
might as well take some ozempic because good luck getting most people to cook a meal or work out, that’s hard and takes actual effort.
might as well take some ozempic because good luck getting most people to cook a meal or work out, that’s hard and takes actual effort.
- Oct 13, 2001
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Yea, seeing the same.
Yall have a lot of faith in society to believe most using it to lose weight are doing it with any sort of fidelity. Just from the folks I know that use it, none work out (nor have they ever) and from what I know haven't shifted their eating habits.
Yall have a lot of faith in society to believe most using it to lose weight are doing it with any sort of fidelity. Just from the folks I know that use it, none work out (nor have they ever) and from what I know haven't shifted their eating habits.
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mplsdunk
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It’s hard to do I acknowledge that. Last thing you want to do after working all day is go hit the gym and cook dinner but that’s what it takes. Most people aren’t going to do that they’ll come up with excuses.
“I’m too busy”
“Too tired”
Hate to sound like the pull yourself up by your bootstraps guy but no one is going to do it for you and no one cares if you’re fat.
Once you reach the point where working out is what you do, not something you have to do it’s easy. Takes a while to get there though.
- Jun 28, 2004
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I think that Ozempic could have a huge impact on many aspects of life.
If obesity gets to be in decline, it would certainly impact our economy and our politics. I couldn’t say if those changes would be good or bad on balance, although Id guess good outcomes are more likely.
In economic terms, the US could start having healthcare costs and outcomes that are closer to our OECD peers.
Our politics should change for the better, if you’re more and more active, maybe you don’t spend as much time online. Maybe, just maybe, we get some revitalization of shared public spaces in America.
There will be social changes. For example, beauty standards and fashion will change.
So Ozempic could have a measurable impact in a variety of ways.
If obesity gets to be in decline, it would certainly impact our economy and our politics. I couldn’t say if those changes would be good or bad on balance, although Id guess good outcomes are more likely.
In economic terms, the US could start having healthcare costs and outcomes that are closer to our OECD peers.
Our politics should change for the better, if you’re more and more active, maybe you don’t spend as much time online. Maybe, just maybe, we get some revitalization of shared public spaces in America.
There will be social changes. For example, beauty standards and fashion will change.
So Ozempic could have a measurable impact in a variety of ways.
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There will ever only be a marginal decline in obesity. Too many factors that influence it and got us to where we are.
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Yeah, happy healthy people don’t consume enough junk. And we’re a nation of junk sellers. Whether its junk food or junk politicians. People want the easy, simple, ‘just do this and its a miracle’ route.
Nike’s gonna switch up their campaign soon with this new administration. People clearly voted for junk right now.
Nike’s gonna switch up their campaign soon with this new administration. People clearly voted for junk right now.
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It’s less faith that most will do that but enough will that will make it a net positive. There’s plenty of things we offer in society that most not gonna use right or abuse but there is still some (not the majority but some) that will take good use of it that makes it a overall benefit for society and outweighs the abusers of it in the long run. It’s just the math of it. Produce more of it offer it in time you will have less obese people than you would if you didn’t and that’s a good thing.
In the micro yes we should still encourage people to live healthier lives will be and better habits but in the macro we need to use every tool we reasonably can to get that number down. The candle can be burnt on both ends to tackle this issue. Even if it’s marginal and the percentage of obese people only goes down a couple percentage points over time that still millions of people that’s worth it.
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So if the only goal is to get the obesity numbers down, sure I can agree with the GROSS positive (not net positive) approach of looking at it.
But we have all looked at the (potential) long-term effects of using Ozempic and to me I'm sure sure those things being added into someone's life make them better off.
But that's why I said we should be calling it a gross positive and not a net positive if cutting down obesity is all we're looking at.
But we have all looked at the (potential) long-term effects of using Ozempic and to me I'm sure sure those things being added into someone's life make them better off.
But that's why I said we should be calling it a gross positive and not a net positive if cutting down obesity is all we're looking at.
- Jul 10, 2015
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I get this but the reason I call it a net positive is cause of the societal impact not the individual impact. Will it be a net positive on people eating better and healthier lifestyles? No. Will it be a net positive as far as less obese people meaning less people who get diseases and other health complications that come from obesity and the societal and individual strain from healthcare costs we have to do to help those people? Yes.
As far as long term effects it’s still early days on this and like other medications there’s always gonna be word of mouth case by case stories of it not working well or someone having a bad experience but we haven’t seen that on the large scale with this and that’s a good sign. Theres even studies being done right now to see if it can help people with alcoholism and other addictions we could be on the cusp of a real game changer.
- Mar 30, 2007
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Ozempic, if used, should be part of an overall change in philosophy
I get it’s hard being consistent at the gym.. but just get moving, even if it’s getting in short walks or runs.. even if it’s couple blocks and back to the house, least you did something
But diet change is the biggest thing, what and the amount your consuming is the biggest lifestyle change that needs to happen with people.. and it’s my understanding ozempic goes a long way in curving appetite.. but if you’re going go right back to what you were doing, obviously you’re just spending a lot of money for maybe a temporary solution.. instead of using that as a head start on everything you’re trying do/accomplish
I get it’s hard being consistent at the gym.. but just get moving, even if it’s getting in short walks or runs.. even if it’s couple blocks and back to the house, least you did something
But diet change is the biggest thing, what and the amount your consuming is the biggest lifestyle change that needs to happen with people.. and it’s my understanding ozempic goes a long way in curving appetite.. but if you’re going go right back to what you were doing, obviously you’re just spending a lot of money for maybe a temporary solution.. instead of using that as a head start on everything you’re trying do/accomplish
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dacomeup
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Yes, there’s evidence of it being helpful in figuring other addictions but a problem people are seeing is it zapping people’s interest in doing anything. Podcast I listened to was talking about people on Ozempic being less interested in their own hobbies. If it’s affecting overall happiness and triggering depression, don’t think it’ll be the net positive that people think.
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If that part holds true that would definetly affect its wider application of being able to help with addiction stuff. I don’t know what could be done to use it to curve addictive impulses without affecting overall drive but hopefully that could be figured out. Maybe it can just help people on the edge that’s like close to ruin and maybe not more than that. I’m just glad this is being explored to see how far this can go.
