OFFICIAL NHL PLAYOFFS THREAD.... BLACKHAWKS WIN STANLEY CUP

payback is @#$% ovy. way to spray ice on a little kid on your opponents home ice....karma got ya.

im just happy that 4 of the original 6 is in the playoffs. i would love to see an original 6 final 4.
 
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Damn...yea I'm a bandwagon fan but wow...the atmosphere at the bar...and then downtown...is insane...they aint even done yet...


I'm not too big on hockey but it wasn't all halak today like last game...good solid D today made it easy for halak
 
Originally Posted by Mycoldyourdone

but it wasn't all halak today like last game...good solid D today made it easy for halak
word they blocked like 30 something shots? ridiculous
 
good old Hal Gill, always shows up big in the playoffs.
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OK...I've simmered and had a chance to collect my thoughts....

First off, congrats to the Habs. They played a GREAT series, more specifically, Halak. That team defense was unreal. Holding the Caps to a 3% PP...
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I've watched hockey for a long time, and what they did to the Caps was unbelievable. They deserved to win because they did all the little things right and expolited a lot of the Caps flaws/weaknesses. All that being said, I have ZERO respect for the Canadiens fanbase. Totally classless and disgusting people. It's no reflection of what I think of the team, because those guys play the game the right way....

On to the Caps....

There's only so much guys like Ovechkin and Backstrom can do. Semin and Green both laid eggs. The only saving grace with Green is that he is at least trying. Semin on the other hand, looked totally disinterested in playing during this series. No way a guy with his skill should be held off of the scoresheet. As far as I'm concerned, he needs to go. Package him and a draftpick/prospect to Calgary and bring in a guy like Iginla. The defense needs help in the worst way...a physical presence and a shot-blocker like Anton Volchenkov should be targeted thru free agency....

The formula the caps have works wonders in the regular season, but with the skill they have they should not be playing in game 7's in every playoff series they go to. At some point, you have to look at the man behind the bench and ask yourself if his coaching style is condusive(sp?) to winning in the playoffs. I have no problem saying that a guy like moneyisthemotive could coach the caps to 45 wins....however, when the playoffs roll around you have to be able to make adjustments and get your team playing at a higher level than what they showed in the first 82 games. I'd give Boudreau one more chance....if he can't do anything to get this team to at least the ECF, then he's gotta go...

The Caps shouldn't be modeling themselves after the Red Wings....as much as it pains me to say this, they need to look at how the Penguins are built and how they have a good balance between scoring, grit, and toughness....Caps have one of those three attributes, but they need to drop guys like Fleishmann and replace them with dudes who have a little sandpaper in their games.

Eh....I'm rambling, but I think you all get the picture....

again, props to the Habs...best of luck vs. Pittsburgh, and I hope you pull ANOTHER upset.

*Oh and tot he dude who suggested Jay Bouwmeester....he might be the one defenseman who might be more overrated than Mike Green.  No thanks. 
 
It really is amazing what they did on the penalty kill.

3% to the Caps of all teams
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Cmon DoubleJs just cheer for the Pens, give it a try


Seriously though amazing what good D and a hot goalie can give you. Reminded me of Florida in 96 which is bad since they beat the Pens. Also good to see Hal Gill still going strong. While the Caps D did have lapses some of this has to go on Ovie as well. He just disappeared in too many spots in this series. It's early to say he can't win big games, but the early track record isn't good. I'm not trying to trash him he is still the mist skilled player in the L, but if nothing else it makes me appreciate having Sid and his leadership on the Pens. So when Wash fan screams 'Cindy sucks' at me, maybe you need to rethink that one cause he s a freakin winner (not any of you level headed ones on here of course you aren't tht guy). Anyway back in topic I think Montreal will be a tough out, but the playoffs have been set up nicely for the Penguins, unfortunately that doesn't guarantee anything. Wash willbe back next year and good again, just a few
tweaks needed for that team
 
Oh and my friend in DC said that this was karma from the Expos leaving for Wash, I never thought of that
 
i've always been a passionate fan because i was a passionate player ... i was that guy in the corner who didn't talk to anyone after the game, win or lose, totally drained from whatever just took place ... the guy who got in people's faces during practice if they weren't pushing themselves ... and yes, crying my eyes out when the season was over ... but i feel worse now than i ever have as a fan ... i thought it was bad when the cowboys lost, but this really sucks ... i mean not on some depressed type #*%% lol, but it just really blows that i can't enjoy watching my team play anymore until next season ... i don't really care for any particular team in the NBA, but i will be pulling for Lebron or maybe the mavs ... but definitely not going to watch every bounce of the ball like i've watched every shot of the puck ...

i wasnt in the NHL thread much this year but i've been grilling Mike Green and Jeff Schultz all season ... i have to admit, Schultz played relatively well in this series in his one on one's, but damn if him and Green weren't on the ice for most of the goals against ... i see how bad Mike Green is and i almost feel like cutting Schultz some slack, but not too much ... in my opinion, Green and Semin have to go and with the emergence of Alzner and Carlson, Schultz is expendable as well ... Sloan/Fehr/Fleishmann are all RFAs i believe and the only one i would re-sign is Fehr ...

which means we have to replace one defenseman and maybe two linesman through trade ... it's undeniable what Green and Semin have done in the regular season and i'm sure there is a team who would take them in exchange for an elite defenseman ... you figure you're adding 60 goals to your squad with their addition and that is huge for a team who is maybe teetering on the edge of the playoffs ... i can only hope ...

and then there's backstrom ... without a doubt the best player night in and night out we have on the ice ... i've seen him and ovi in college park after games and there is no way he isn't signing with the caps ... i wouldnt be surprised if ovi restructured his contract and back took a discount to stay together ... then there's people like Corvo and Chimera who i think had great years and deserve to be back on the squad ... i'd be really upset if either one of those guys weren't skating for us next year ... we need to add grit, we need to add a d-man who strictly plays d and maybe twerk our goalie situation if the deal is right ... but damn it sucks to be a caps fan right now ...

$*@+ montreal and their fans though ... bunch of whiney punks who boo'd our national anthem like the classless bunch they are ... i can't root for cindy, but maybe somehow both teams lose in the next round ... smh
 
dmxfury wrote:

 While the Caps D did have lapses some of this has to go on Ovie as well. He just disappeared in too many spots in this series. It's early to say he can't win big games, but the early track record isn't good. I'm not trying to trash him he is still the mist skilled player in the L, but if nothing else it makes me appreciate having Sid and his leadership on the Pens. So when Wash fan screams 'Cindy sucks' at me, maybe you need to rethink that one cause he s a freakin winner (not any of you level headed ones on here of course you aren't tht guy). 
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the caps d had lapses? the caps d was HORRENDOUS for most of this series ... when you have a fake me out forward constantly crashing the net and leaving one d-man to fend for himself, you dont have a chance ... and when that fake forward decides he gets frustrated and takes careless penalties for the hell of it, i'd say it his mostly his fault ... both goals were Green's fault last night ... make a play canadian ...

as for Ovie, he plays harder than anyone in the league ... on a team with no real grit other than Chimera who was relatively calm because he was thinking of his team first, ovie was our only enforcer
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... when you have to be the best goal scorer, get back on D AND hit everyone in the mouth because of who you play with, what can you expect? imagine if cindy had the job of enforcer
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you speak of leadership ... there isn't anyone who is a better leader than Ovi ... let's not forget, he was completely robbed of a goal last night that would have turned the tide of the game for sure ... he scored time after time after time for this mob and last night was no different, he just fell victim to a phantom call by a canadian NHL endorsed officiating crew ... cindy has had the luxury of playing on the most talented team for most of his career ... even in the olympics their team was head and shoulders above the USA and Russia ... might be the most overrated player in all of sports, and i'm being dead serious ...

and the east just gifted another shot at Lord Stanley's Cup to him ... smh
 
Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive

you speak of leadership ... there isn't anyone who is a better leader than Ovi ... let's not forget, he was completely robbed of a goal last night that would have turned the tide of the game for sure ... he scored time after time after time for this mob and last night was no different, he just fell victim to a phantom call by a canadian NHL endorsed officiating crew ... cindy has had the luxury of playing on the most talented team for most of his career ... even in the olympics their team was head and shoulders above the USA and Russia ... might be the most overrated player in all of sports, and i'm being dead serious ...

and the east just gifted another shot at Lord Stanley's Cup to him ... smh
That's hands down some of the dumbest %$$% I have read in a hockey thread on nike talk this season. You Ovechkin fanboys are a joke. It really must eat you up inside that Crosby delivers and raises the play of his team when he needs to and Ovechkin is ghost in the moments most needed. Your squad had the best overall record in all of the NHL and you're crying that Crosby is surrounded with the most talent?
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Crosby is a proven winner while Ovechkin is a glorified personal accomplishment player. I am not taking anything away from Ovechkin because I think he is amazing, but when you need to tear down another player (who by the way wins) just to pump up yours, you already lost. I am glad your Caps have been eliminated, now I don't have to hear you whine until next year. Scratch that, ignore user option enabled.

DoubleJs & NSB4 (Nt's known Caps fans) my condolences, I think we should put NSB4 on suicide watch. Guess that  6-1 prediction was way off
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That's what I'm talking about, I didn't say the loss was Ovie's fault but he did disappear in some games this series. That's a fact. This loss isn't close to his fault but it's worth noting. I then went to say he is still the most talented player in the league. But of course someone comes back with the usual 'Cindy' smack. Ohhh, saying his name wrong, GOT HIM! Sid may not be the best player in the league but his leadership at such a young age for the Pens and Canada is incredible. As for Montreal fan, heck we discussed earlier it would almost be surprising if the didn't boo our anthem at this point, apparently they always do that. Shrugs
 
Semin on the other hand, looked totally disinterested in playing during this series. No way a guy with his skill should be held off of the scoresheet. As far as I'm concerned, he needs to go. Package him and a draftpick/prospect to Calgary and bring in a guy like Iginla. The defense needs help in the worst way...a physical presence and a shot-blocker like Anton Volchenkov should be targeted thru free agency....


I agree 100%.  Semin did not even look interested in making any sort of contact on the boards to get the puck and he showed no drive towards the net or to set himself up in a position to get a one timer or any sort of space.  He NEEDS to go this offseason.  You can't have these Kool-Aid type players on that team.  Now there are a lot of wingers available if Iginla like the new choices of management and they show a commitment to him but say getting a Vinny Lecavalier.

Kovy (doubtful), take a flyer on a Kariya (old but you know he'll give you 100%), Frolov, Whitney, Modin, Hejduk, Demitra, Svatos and a lot more.  You know dudes will take paycuts to play with Washington and a chance for a Cup.

You'll be fighting Lou to get Volchenkov.  That's one guy he has his eye on to get along with Kaberle and Hamuis.  Kaberle is the only one out of those three you guys should avoid.  If Leopold walks away from Pittsburgh, go after him hard.

Oh and tot he dude who suggested Jay Bouwmeester....he might be the one defenseman who might be more overrated than Mike Green.  No thanks.


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might be?  Dude is one of the most overrated players I've ever heard/seen in my years of watching hockey.

but damn if him and Green weren't on the ice for most of the goals against

A good point but you gotta put most of that blame on Theodore and Varlamov not making routine and necessary saves.  Theodore rubbed off on Varlamov with allowing these soft goals every game.

Oh and about replacing the coach, it's a shame Mike Babcock will never leave Detroit but imagine what a guy like Ken Hitchcock could get out of this team next year?  I'd be fine with you guys hiring him because I'm starting to like the idea or MacLean or Scott Stevens coaching the Devils next season.  But Hitchcock is a two year plug at most, you had to see the falling out and difference in Colombus between last year and this year.
 
Yo stop it man, to say that is down right ridiculous. I am a huge Ovechkin fan and when all 3 got into the league I thought it was Ovechkin, Malkin then Crosby. You know what I was dead wrong. Crosby is the best out of all of them. I thought he didn't have certain parts to his game. Actually I was wrong, he has everything. He is the best leader in the game right now. The Canadian team was head and shoulders better than everyone at the olympics? Majority of the polls had Russia winning the gold, they were rated the #1 team. They got embarrassed by the Canadians, completely annihilated. The fact is Ovechkin has choked on every big stage of his career so far, and Sindey has shined. The penguins are not a better team on paper than the caps, they just want it more. Every time I watch a pens game and they're losing I always say to myself Sidney won't let them lose. He does everything. He plays amazing defense, he makes people around him better, gives some of the greatest passes in the game, and this year his ripping the league in goals. Ovechkin on the other hand? Sometimes when its not going, don't try to do everything by yourself. He took 10 shots last game and obviously it wasn't going, so why don't you try setting up your team mates a little more. He is a 1 way player, he checks and scores. His defense is no where near as good as Sid, he doesn't back check like Sid does.

Just like Barry Melrose said on ESPN last night, the stars want all the shine when things are going good? Then the stars should get all the blame when things are going bad.
The fact is that Ovechkin has choked on every big stage in his career as of now, and Sidney has shined.
 
Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN

That's hands down some of the dumbest %$$% I have read in a hockey thread on nike talk this season. You Ovechkin fanboys are a joke. It really must eat you up inside that Crosby delivers and raises the play of his team when he needs to and Ovechkin is ghost in the moments most needed. Your squad had the best overall record in all of the NHL and you're crying that Crosby is surrounded with the most talent?
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Crosby is a proven winner while Ovechkin is a glorified personal accomplishment player. I am not taking anything away from Ovechkin because I think he is amazing, but when you need to tear down another player (who by the way wins) just to pump up yours, you already lost. I am glad your Caps have been eliminated, now I don't have to hear you whine until next year. Scratch that, ignore user option enabled.
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i just find it funny that crosby "raises the play of his team" when he's on the best team ... ... ... que? he was the beneficiary of a blown play in the olympics and put it in the back of the net ... kudos to him for being skilled enough to do so, but get outta here with that raises the play of his team BS ... the caps were the only team who could beat the penguins this year because they are slow on defense and cant keep up with our scorers ... now they have a free ride to the ship and i fully expect them to win again and hear everyone call cindy a winner blah blah blah ... and that's why he doesn't win MVPs ...

when it comes down to it, we have backstrom and ovechkin ... semin and green went GHOST in this series and to say Ovi has to take some of the blame (dmx) is COMICAL ... what because he didnt score three goals yesterday he is somehow any less of a leader/player? he put one in the back of the net that was washed out on some %!##@%#+ and assisted on the only goal we did score ... and i have to come in here and see someone write he needs to take some of the blame? we had two players with 60 goals in the regular season not even SHOW UP ... ovi had 10 points this series and was robbed of a goal ... but yet he has to take some blame? on comcast last night Bruce said he's never seen a player so beside themselves after a loss ... but he isn't a leader? every damn interview from chimera to knuble to alzner were saying how bad they feel for not helping ovi out ... so GOH with that mess about Ovechkin ...

best team in the regular season is something different than the most prepared team for the playoffs ...
 
Originally Posted by Numberr97
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i would address everything you said but it's not worth it ... i just want to know who in their right mind had Russia winning the gold medal over Canada? ... ... ...
 
Originally Posted by Numberr97

Yo stop it man, to say that is down right ridiculous. I am a huge Ovechkin fan and when all 3 got into the league I thought it was Ovechkin, Malkin then Crosby. You know what I was dead wrong. Crosby is the best out of all of them. I thought he didn't have certain parts to his game. Actually I was wrong, he has everything. He is the best leader in the game right now. The Canadian team was head and shoulders better than everyone at the olympics? Majority of the polls had Russia winning the gold, they were rated the #1 team. They got embarrassed by the Canadians, completely annihilated. The fact is Ovechkin has choked on every big stage of his career so far, and Sindey has shined. The penguins are not a better team on paper than the caps, they just want it more. Every time I watch a pens game and they're losing I always say to myself Sidney won't let them lose. He does everything. He plays amazing defense, he makes people around him better, gives some of the greatest passes in the game, and this year his ripping the league in goals. Ovechkin on the other hand? Sometimes when its not going, don't try to do everything by yourself. He took 10 shots last game and obviously it wasn't going, so why don't you try setting up your team mates a little more. He is a 1 way player, he checks and scores. His defense is no where near as good as Sid, he doesn't back check like Sid does.

Just like Barry Melrose said on ESPN last night, the stars want all the shine when things are going good? Then the stars should get all the blame when things are going bad.
The fact is that Ovechkin has choked on every big stage in his career as of now, and Sidney has shined.
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Sid is a winner though. I don't like him at all but I have to admit that. When MAF played like crap at points in the last two postseasons, Sid was there. Same when Malkin disappeared. Gonchar, Staal, Hossa, Guerin, you name it, they have all disappeared at some point and Sid has always shown up in the big games.
 
Originally Posted by dmxfury

Cmon DoubleJs just cheer for the Pens, give it a try


Seriously though amazing what good D and a hot goalie can give you. Reminded me of Florida in 96 which is bad since they beat the Pens. Also good to see Hal Gill still going strong. While the Caps D did have lapses some of this has to go on Ovie as well. He just disappeared in too many spots in this series. It's early to say he can't win big games, but the early track record isn't good. I'm not trying to trash him he is still the mist skilled player in the L, but if nothing else it makes me appreciate having Sid and his leadership on the Pens. So when Wash fan screams 'Cindy sucks' at me, maybe you need to rethink that one cause he s a freakin winner (not any of you level headed ones on here of course you aren't tht guy). Anyway back in topic I think Montreal will be a tough out, but the playoffs have been set up nicely for the Penguins, unfortunately that doesn't guarantee anything. Wash willbe back next year and good again, just a few
tweaks needed for that team


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Can't cheer for the Pens at all...but I did give your franchise props in that the Caps should look to see how their 4 lines are built and try to emulate what they do....

Cindy will always suck to me
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....but I'll ALWAYS give him credit for being the beast that he is. 

Caps will get it right....I'm sure of that.  However, this was a good wake-up call for everyone affiliated w. the organization. 

*Re-signing Fehr is a must....dude played like a TRUE power forward in this series....
 
Originally Posted by Numberr97

Yo stop it man, to say that is down right ridiculous. I am a huge Ovechkin fan and when all 3 got into the league I thought it was Ovechkin, Malkin then Crosby. You know what I was dead wrong. Crosby is the best out of all of them. I thought he didn't have certain parts to his game. Actually I was wrong, he has everything. He is the best leader in the game right now. The Canadian team was head and shoulders better than everyone at the olympics? Majority of the polls had Russia winning the gold, they were rated the #1 team. They got embarrassed by the Canadians, completely annihilated. The fact is Ovechkin has choked on every big stage of his career so far, and Sindey has shined. The penguins are not a better team on paper than the caps, they just want it more. Every time I watch a pens game and they're losing I always say to myself Sidney won't let them lose. He does everything. He plays amazing defense, he makes people around him better, gives some of the greatest passes in the game, and this year his ripping the league in goals. Ovechkin on the other hand? Sometimes when its not going, don't try to do everything by yourself. He took 10 shots last game and obviously it wasn't going, so why don't you try setting up your team mates a little more. He is a 1 way player, he checks and scores. His defense is no where near as good as Sid, he doesn't back check like Sid does.

Just like Barry Melrose said on ESPN last night, the stars want all the shine when things are going good? Then the stars should get all the blame when things are going bad.
The fact is that Ovechkin has choked on every big stage in his career as of now, and Sidney has shined.

How much more can Ovechkin do?  When Crosby only had something like 2 points in the SC finals last year, he had his TEAMMATES step up.  Ovechkin has played great in the series vs. the Flyers, Rangers, and Penguins....I'm not mentioning the Habs, because eventhough he had like 5-6 goals, he was contained.  Other guys on the team need to pick up the slack when your superstar is being bottled up.  There's only so much he can do.  If he's not playing well, you expect guys like Semin and Green to carry the load.  Saying he's choked on every big stage is a stretch....it's easy to kick someone when they're down...REAL easy...but I don't think there's much objectivity in what you're saying. 

A good point but you gotta put most of that blame on Theodore and Varlamov not making routine and necessary saves.  Theodore rubbed off on Varlamov with allowing these soft goals every game.


Agreed...there were some soft goals being let in by both guys....Theo is most likely gone next year, so it's gonna be the Varly & Neuvy show....
  
 
Ok money, you are right and every other guy in here (most who dislike Sid) is wrong. With the Caps out can I count on you not being in here anymore? At least until the Pens lose and I'm sure you'll grace us with a guest apperance. Rock that Red
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

Sid is a winner though. I don't like him at all but I have to admit that. When MAF played like crap at points in the last two postseasons, Sid was there. Same when Malkin disappeared. Gonchar, Staal, Hossa, Guerin, you name it, they have all disappeared at some point and Sid has always shown up in the big games.
cindy is a solid player ... he is top 5 in the league ... his passing accuracy and goal scoring ability puts him in that "best in the world" discussion ... but dont sit here and tell me he is a leader and lifts his team ... he doenst play with any passion, he is completely silent when things arent going well ... when he gets shutout in the box score you dont even know he played the game, which isnt true of Ovechkin ... im trying to figure out when Ovechkin didnt show up in a big game? in the olympics with semin and malkin?
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DJ's...when you said you have to look at the man behind the bench, you nailed it. the caps style of play is not built for long playoff runs. the ice almost shrinks in the playoffs, and usually teams with better defenses/goaltending are the ones you square of with. it almost becomes like a half court game, offensively speaking. i think you saw it first hand in the last two games. montreal's goalie wasn't only amazing, but their team defense was outstanding. clogging lanes. they completely kept AO from driving to the net. they blocked tons of shots. i think it's the offensive style that needs to change, at least for the playoffs, which is tough to do if you've played one way all year long.

that said, with THAT much talent, i'm still shocked they're done in the first round.
 
semin looked like a fool this series, even worse than last year ... he didnt even seem to care ... his patented "curl and drag boo boo" got shutdown so he said screw it ... he turned the puck over every time he got it ... he missed a wide open net last night and had another perfect lane in the 3rd and blew it ... i have never seen someone fail so epicly ...
 
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