OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

[amarano]

"Simply off stats."

Please tell me what he's lacking in his career to not be labeled the best WR of all-time.

I'll wait.

someone change the Bert Bell to the Taco Bell Award.

and well see how long goes unnoticed 

 

[the collector]

Irvin played on a run heavy team. I think the RB went on to lead the NFL all time in rushing.

Who here thinks Emmit is the greatest RB of all time?

 

[licensed to ball]

Jerry Rice is the only player in Pro sports that can be proclaimed the best simply off stats. No one applies this logic to any other player or position. Why is that?

Favre best QB? Karl Malone best basketball player? That logic doesn't hold up.

"Simply off stats."

Please tell me what he's lacking in his career to not be labeled the best WR of all-time.

I'll wait.

 

[mister friendly]

Jerry is like 6 highly productive seasons ahead of every other receiver.

I also think he's the all time leading rusher for pure wide receivers too?

 

[dmxfury]

I'm a Skins fan and always believed Irvin was better then Rice.

Irvin was vocal and emotional leader of those Cowboys teams. His college career makes up for the gap in numbers between himself and Rice on the pro level. Irvin had a better body of work as a WR college and pro.

Um...no

Why not, because Rice played longer? That's the only advantage he has. Rice even had the better pro QB.

Um...no

Jerry Rice is the only player in Pro sports that can be proclaimed the best simply off stats. No one applies this logic to any other player or position. Why is that?

Favre best QB? Karl Malone best basketball player? That logic doesn't hold up.

Um...no


I've heard people toss out other names but have NEVER heard Irvin as the GOAT. Dude was good, even great at times but there are so many I'd put ahead

 

[stillin729]

Isaac Bruce or Michael Irvin?

much more debatable

 

[the collector]

Not one person in here has taken on my Gale Sayers point. Why, because the logic doesn't work. Everyone disregarded Irvin played with the leagues all time leading rusher and a inferior QB.

I'll ask again how many who proclaims Rice is the best believe the same about Emmit or Favre? If you don't why not?

 

[dmxfury]

Not one person in here has taken on my Gale Sayers point. Why, because the logic doesn't work. Everyone disregarded Irvin played with the leagues all time leading rusher and a inferior QB.

I'll ask again how many who proclaims Rice is the best believe the same about Emmit or Favre? If you don't why not?

No people do use that logic but that's when the Moss/TO/CJ names are discussed


Not Irvin

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Michael Irvin's college stats: 147 receptions, 2430 yards, 27 TDs
Jerry Rice's college stats: 271 receptions, 4256 yards, 48 TDs

Huh.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Not one person in here has taken on my Gale Sayers point. Why, because the logic doesn't work. Everyone disregarded Irvin played with the leagues all time leading rusher and a inferior QB.

I'll ask again how many who proclaims Rice is the best believe the same about Emmit or Favre? If you don't why not?

Please stop deflecting, I've responded to you numerous times and even @'d you.

There is literally no measure anywhere... other than winning a National Championship... that Michael Irvin is even in the same stratosphere as Jerry Rice.

First 12 years.
Any year during their first 12 years.
Collegiate stats.
Pro stats.
Awards.

Nothing.

So please, explain yourself.

(also, BTW, Peyton Manning has shattered most of Brett's records so you may want to change the name up that you're using in your deflections)

 

[651akathepaul]

I'll ask again how many who proclaims Rice is the best believe the same about Emmit or Favre? If you don't why not?

Because they all actually saw each and every one of those guys play and know what the hell they're talking about.

 

[elpablo21]

Irvin > Jerry

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

on who had the better lineup

 

[rolaholic]

We really comparing Irvins U stats to Rice's stats at Mississippi Valley State? 

 

 

[the collector]

Michael Irvin's college stats: 147 receptions, 2430 yards, 27 TDs
Jerry Rice's college stats: 271 receptions, 4256 yards, 48 TDs

Huh.

In college you have to take into account the competition. It's not close between the 2. Irvin did that against the best teams in the country. You guys aren't telling the whole story. Leaving key info out to make points.

 

[the collector]

We really comparing Irvins U stats to Rice's stats at Mississippi Valley State?   

Thank you.

 

[mister friendly]

Collector , did you see Jerry and Michael play?

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Not one person in here has taken on my Gale Sayers point. Why, because the logic doesn't work. Everyone disregarded Irvin played with the leagues all time leading rusher and a inferior QB.

I'll ask again how many who proclaims Rice is the best believe the same about Emmit or Favre? If you don't why not?

Please stop deflecting, I've responded to you numerous times and even @'d you.

There is literally no measure anywhere... other than winning a National Championship... that Michael Irvin is even in the same stratosphere as Jerry Rice.

First 12 years.
Any year during their first 12 years.
Collegiate stats.
Pro stats.
Awards.

Nothing.

So please, explain yourself.

(also, BTW, Peyton Manning has shattered most of Brett's records so you may want to change the name up that you're using in your deflections)

the collector

PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS.

 

[dmxfury]

In college you have to take into account the competition. It's not close between the 2. Irvin did that against the best teams in the country. You guys aren't telling the whole story. Leaving key info out to make points.

You seem to be missing every NFL key point when comparing those two

 

[the collector]

Collector , did you see Jerry and Michael play?

Yes. One played with Montana in the WC offense and the other had Troy in a run heavy offense. Rice played 8 more years. Rices numbers will def be better. On that field though in 3rd and 10 needing a 1st down I'd rather have Mike in my foxhole then Rice.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Collector , did you see Jerry and Michael play?

Yes. One played with Montana in the WC offense and the other had Troy in a run heavy offense. Rice played 8 more years. Rices numbers will def be better. On that field though in 3rd and 10 needing a 1st down I'd rather have Mike in my foxhole then Rice.

Michael Irvin played 12 years. 11904 receiving yards, 65 TDs.

Compare them to the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career. 16377 yards, 154 TDs.

You were saying?

 

[651akathepaul]

Collector , did you see Jerry and Michael play?

Yes.

Clearly.

 

[the collector]

the collector

PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS.

Once you factor in the offense and the fact that Mike played with the all time leading rusher the gap in production makes more sense. I've mentioned that numerous times in repsonse to you.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Mike simply wasn't good enough to be the focal point of an offense.

Maybe he was at the collegiate level.

 

[the collector]

Michael Irvin played 12 years. 11904 receiving yards, 65 TDs.

Compare them to the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career. 16377 yards, 154 TDs.

You were saying?

Emmit Smith IS THE ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER. Why can't people accept Mikes offense was run heavy and explains the gap. Dallas was a RUN FIRST OFFENSE. It was traditional. The WC offense was similar to when RG3 came in and took the league by surprise.

 

[kingkoopa]

I see all these new post and it's nothing but dumb talk? 

My mans adding college stats to an argument about the NFL.

I guess is better then Rodgers because what he didn't do in the NFL, he did in college.