Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[solarius49]

I expected a little more feedback to the Jerry West comment, but I guess theres not alot of classic basketball fans on here (I love those Hardwood Classics games)

But why isnt Oscar Robertson the greatest player of all time?

a career statline of 25, 9.5, 7.5

and put up 31, 11.4, 12.5 in his second year in the league

:x

You said tyler hansborough belongs in the HOF, no one wants to talk to you anymore

that literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about.....but ok.

by the way, there are players with crappy college careers and great NBA careers in the HOF, why not the other way around?


edit - I also said JJ Reddick and Mario Chalmers, if you're gonna suck my ****, make sure you go all the way to the balls

 

[JD617]

We're currently in an era where we experience higher scoring than any other point in NBA history.

 

[do be doo]

edit - I also said JJ Reddick and Mario Chalmers, if you're gonna suck my ****, make sure you go all the way to the balls

Quik a cool dude but

 

[solarius49]

We're currently in an era where we experience higher scoring than any other point in NBA history.

are we not? I could be wrong, and I'm willing to stand corrected, but I dont remember watching many 120 point games in the 90s. (I was just a kid, so I may remember wrong)

 

[JD617]

Average points per game this year is 97.8. The year Oscar averaged a triple double it was 118.8.

 

[solarius49]

Average points per game this year is 97.8. The year Oscar averaged a triple double it was 118.8.

thats crazy, I didnt know that. Thanks for correcting me. But once again, didnt Oscar have to actually go out there and pull down those rebounds, and assist those baskets? a career average of 7.5 rpg is crazy no matter how you slice it

 

[victor page]

Even without looking at numbers and making an assumption...how on EARTH would you assume scoring is higher now than it was in the past?

 

[CP1708]

but why not? And if we're talking about "of all time", why does it need to be compared to today? Every era has its differences, but greatness is greatness regardless. And if you're putting up 27ppg with no 3 point line as a scoring guard, then you have to be considered among the greatest scorers of all time IMO

Defenses and offeses were less complicated, that means more shots, more rebounds, more assists. His triple doubles are a function of his era.

isn't that kind of unfair though? I mean at the end of the day you still have to do those things you know? You still have to rebound, assist and score. We're currently in an era where we experience higher scoring than any other point in NBA history. Higher scoring means more shots are being put up, so does that means Lebrons stats are a function of that? I wouldnt think so....

Dude, what? Higher scoring, now as opposed to the 80's? There are games now that teams get up 80 shots. There were way more shots than that in previous eras man.

Scoring is upticking right now, yes, the NBA has made the rules that way to get more points on the board, but you can't take guys from the 60's and compare them to 50 years later.

Every single shot, dribble, pass, everything is on video now to be played, replayed, and reviewed over and over and over. 50 years ago you just showed up and balled. If you were an elite talent, you shined. Now you can have elite talent, and be shut down by a coaching staff gameplanning you, defensive specialists on you for 48 minutes, zone defense, double and triple teams.

Try running the swinging gate now, or the box and one and see if that measures out the same as back in the day.


I'm not knocking West, or Wilt, or Oscar, but they went against the same 10 teams every single year, less than 100 overall players nationwide. Today has 30 teams, 400 players lookin for work, WORLDwide. Training staffs, year round games, medical advancements, scouting, stat enhancements, media scrutiny, I mean, it's not even the same game as what they went thru. Yes they had it a little rougher with bus travel and such, no private jets, diet, etc but that didn't make them better scorers/players then compared to today.

 

[solarius49]

Even without looking at numbers and making an assumption...how on EARTH would you assume scoring is higher now than it was in the past?

Well most people can agree that defense nowadays isnt what it was in the past. Hand checking rules, physicality on D. I was wrong though, Birds Celtics averaged 110 ppg as well

 

[mronegative]

Average points per game this year is 97.8. The year Oscar averaged a triple double it was 118.8.

thats crazy, I didnt know that. Thanks for correcting me. But once again, didnt Oscar have to actually go out there and pull down those rebounds, and assist those baskets? a career average of 7.5 rpg is crazy no matter how you slice it

They used to score 20 more points a game.

Yes, Oscar Robertson was a human being that existed, went out there and did it, and played better basketball than damn near anyone in his time.

But if everyone is on that Dantoni system, stats can get scaled up.

 

[solarius49]

Spoiler

hey guys we're not talking about Lebron and Kobe anymore

 

[tommyicerocking]

Westbrook salty azzzzz ninja yo 

 

[rook]

I expected a little more feedback to the Jerry West comment, but I guess theres not alot of classic basketball fans on here (I love those Hardwood Classics games)

But why isnt Oscar Robertson the greatest player of all time?

a career statline of 25, 9.5, 7.5

and put up 31, 11.4, 12.5 in his second year in the league

:x

You said tyler hansborough belongs in the HOF, no one wants to talk to you anymore

LMAO WAIT WUT?!?

 

[HIM]

I also said JJ Reddick and Mario Chalmers, if you're gonna suck my ****, make sure you go all the way to the balls

HAHAHAHAHA


Checking the standings and i see the Spurs are still only at 12 losses. What is this i don't even.

 

[lokillo40]

um but he did play in the no hand check era...if im not mistaking, it was implemented 93...roughly halfway thru his career. as far as physical defenders is concern, true you had more in his era, but it was mostly at the pf/c position rather then the positions in which jordan played.

The guards small forwards of todays game are FAR more athletic, stronger, faster etc...then jordans early/mid years. Then lets not forget the jordan pass....in which many times calls etc were favored for him because of his status. Whose to say he would get these favorable calls over a kobe, a iverson in his prime, a lebron so on and so forth. In any era i think jordan would be an elite player. But head and shoulders faaaaaar above the next, clear cut undisputed, no one even in a far distant second to him. I doubt it.

http://www.nba.com/news/rule_changes_010412.html

 

[noblekane]

what would jordan's scoring average be with the present rules?


and by the present rules, i mean specifically no 'hand checking'.. and then there is obviously the physicality of the defenders or lack thereof in the league today, which also needs to be factored in

probably 36 to 40 a game...

to be fair though jordan and lebron are two totally different players. lebron is like a hybrid of shaq and magic

 

[noblekane]

Look at the eras man. Can't compare that stuff to today.

yea alot of people miss the little things like in some eras dudes couldnt even dribble with both hands just one

can you imagine someone only being able to dribble with one hand only in todays game?

 

[noblekane]

why does #24 always either play way too pass-heavy or shoot-heavy |I

why cant you say his name? quit acting childish

 

[seymore cake]

what would jordan's scoring average be with the present rules?


and by the present rules, i mean specifically no 'hand checking'.. and then there is obviously the physicality of the defenders or lack thereof in the league today, which also needs to be factored in

probably 36 to 40 a game...

to be fair though jordan and lebron are two totally different players. lebron is like a shaq and magic

?!?!?

... **** this world

 

[noblekane]

are we not? I could be wrong, and I'm willing to stand corrected, but I dont remember watching many 120 point games in the 90s. (I was just a kid, so I may remember wrong)

yea you terribly wrong

 

[solarius49]

I expected a little more feedback to the Jerry West comment, but I guess theres not alot of classic basketball fans on here (I love those Hardwood Classics games)

But why isnt Oscar Robertson the greatest player of all time?

a career statline of 25, 9.5, 7.5

and put up 31, 11.4, 12.5 in his second year in the league

:x

You said tyler hansborough belongs in the HOF, no one wants to talk to you anymore

LMAO WAIT WUT?!?

I dont know why its farfetched to think that 3 of the greatest college bball players (Chalmers and Reddick) could be considered for the Basketball HOF

 

[noblekane]

?!?!?

... **** this world

does he not have the power and strength like no other in his position?

 

[mister friendly]

Dude, what? Higher scoring, now as opposed to the 80's? There are games now that teams get up 80 shots. There were way more shots than that in previous eras man.

Scoring is upticking right now, yes, the NBA has made the rules that way to get more points on the board, but you can't take guys from the 60's and compare them to 50 years later.

Every single shot, dribble, pass, everything is on video now to be played, replayed, and reviewed over and over and over. 50 years ago you just showed up and balled. If you were an elite talent, you shined. Now you can have elite talent, and be shut down by a coaching staff gameplanning you, defensive specialists on you for 48 minutes, zone defense, double and triple teams.

Try running the swinging gate now, or the box and one and see if that measures out the same as back in the day.


I'm not knocking West, or Wilt, or Oscar, but they went against the same 10 teams every single year, less than 100 overall players nationwide. Today has 30 teams, 400 players lookin for work, WORLDwide. Training staffs, year round games, medical advancements, scouting, stat enhancements, media scrutiny, I mean, it's not even the same game as what they went thru. Yes they had it a little rougher with bus travel and such, no private jets, diet, etc but that didn't make them better scorers/players then compared to today.

This where I think it favors the old players, if you had only 100 players, teams are naturally gonna have more depth than when theres 400 players. Those 100 players are gonna have to be alot more skilled to make in the NBA.

Also the advance scouting that todays players have to deal with are a wash compared to 1960s players because who needs advance scouting when theres only 10 teams, you should already remember how a team plays like when you just played them recently.

 

[sohi 23]

Mario Chalmers is one of the 3 greatest college basketball players of all time?
What in the world.

 

[proshares]

Just saying Tyler is better than Laettner is obscene enough.