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[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

that Hendo KO of Bisping. All I can say is that I am glad I bought the PPV in HD. It may be months before that gets deleted from my DVR. (stole this from Sherdog but...) I think I need to watch that KO every morning when I get ready for work just so I can start off each day with a smile on my face.

same here and I guess now is a good a time as any to show the noobies what Hendo did is nothing new..



peep Randleman at the 2:40 mark..it all goes downhill from there






Some guys wont stop till the ref gets them off...some guys wont stop till the ref wrestles them off...some guys don't know their opponent is out and some guys just want to make sure they won

Peace guys, I'm going on vacation.

Doesn't mean it's in the interests of UFC or even the fighters.

One bad injury and the sanctioning bodies will be all over MMA.

The thing is there are quality fighters who seem to not do that type of thing and others who do.

Not gonna happen, dude got his jaw broken on TUF and nothing happened. As far as death, 1 reported death in all of MMA history(he had previous health conditions and shouldn't have been cleared) so that's not gonna happen.6 deaths happen a year in boxing and its doing fine


The difference is that if it's a UFC fighter that's the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather dying in the ring from an illegal blow thrown onpurpose. Not good at all.

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

that Hendo KO of Bisping. All I can say is that I am glad I bought the PPV in HD. It may be months before that gets deleted from my DVR. (stole this from Sherdog but...) I think I need to watch that KO every morning when I get ready for work just so I can start off each day with a smile on my face.

same here and I guess now is a good a time as any to show the noobies what Hendo did is nothing new..



peep Randleman at the 2:40 mark..it all goes downhill from there






Some guys wont stop till the ref gets them off...some guys wont stop till the ref wrestles them off...some guys don't know their opponent is out and some guys just want to make sure they won

Peace guys, I'm going on vacation.

Doesn't mean it's in the interests of UFC or even the fighters.

One bad injury and the sanctioning bodies will be all over MMA.

The thing is there are quality fighters who seem to not do that type of thing and others who do.

Not gonna happen, dude got his jaw broken on TUF and nothing happened. As far as death, 1 reported death in all of MMA history(he had previous health conditions and shouldn't have been cleared) so that's not gonna happen.6 deaths happen a year in boxing and its doing fine

The difference is that if it's a UFC fighter that's the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather dying in the ring from an illegal blow thrown on purpose. Not good at all.


Better yet.

Why don't fighters just break an opponents arm when they have an arm bar , tear their opponents knee ligaments when they've got a knee bar, completelyshred their opponents rotator cuff during a Kimura, or choke an opponent for an extended period of time to allow for some brain damage.

I mean *!$*. it'd be so much easier to rise to the top when half of the field is constantly recuperating from broken bones or is just plain ******ed.

 

[thehealthinspector]

boxing would not come to an end in the US if mayweather were to die due to an illegal blow just like mma wouldnt be banned had someone like bisping died due tothat 2nd blow

yeah it would look very bad but it wouldnt grind it to a halt, mma may not be as big as boxing but its growing at a way faster rate and its here to stay,people like de la hoya are even trying to get in on mma

in order for it to stop it would have to be because of political pressure and that all leads back to the nsac, if the nsac were to stop it theres other areasin the US that could still allow it like california or florida, mma isnt going to lose any fans if someone were to die, its a "billion" dollarbusiness and its going to stay that way whether it gets banned in a state like nevada or not

im sure people like john mccain could come out of the woodwork and restart the war on mma but money talks and the ufc's got plenty

edit- as for the newly posted above comment, none of that stuff happens because mixed martial arts isnt personal, its a sport, no one is congratulating dan forwhat he did or even condoning it (im sure the ufc isnt) but it happens

i think people are basing things off his "i knew he was out" comment but dan was in the moment and im sure most fighters would do the same, im nottrying to make things up but its very possible that landing on the canvas could have woken bisping right back up and allowed him to continue fighting as longas the ref didnt stop it - stranger things have happened

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

boxing would not come to an end in the US if mayweather were to die due to an illegal blow just like mma wouldnt be banned had someone like bisping died due to that 2nd blow

yeah it would look very bad but it wouldnt grind it to a halt, mma may not be as big as boxing but its growing at a way faster rate and its here to stay, people like de la hoya are even trying to get in on mma

in order for it to stop it would have to be because of political pressure and that all leads back to the nsac, if the nsac were to stop it theres other areas in the US that could still allow it like california or florida, mma isnt going to lose any fans if someone were to die, its a "billion" dollar business and its going to stay that way whether it gets banned in a state like nevada or not

im sure people like john mccain could come out of the woodwork and restart the war on mma but money talks and the ufc's got plenty

edit- as for the newly posted above comment, none of that stuff happens because mixed martial arts isnt personal, its a sport, no one is congratulating dan for what he did or even condoning it (im sure the ufc isnt) but it happens

i think people are basing things off his "i knew he was out" comment but dan was in the moment and im sure most fighters would do the same, im not trying to make things up but its very possible that landing on the canvas could have woken bisping right back up and allowed him to continue fighting as long as the ref didnt stop it - stranger things have happened

Boxing wouldn't die and neither would MMA but point blank it would be disaster. You're buggin' if you don't think MMA won'ttake a hit, especially since we've just know changed a lot of people's mind of what was once thought to be a barbaric sport to the public.

The UFC is getting effected by the recession just like any other business. Trust, the Ferreita's are taking hits with their casinos going under.

And landing on the canvas would not have woken him up, that's not possible

. When you're knocked out, you're knocked out.

 

[x1xjigsawx1x]

Originally Posted by Alan Garner

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Rashard & Rampage had a Brawl at ringside? anyone confirm?

Yeah but it wasn't really a brawl...Rampage just went up to him and humped his leg and that was it....

 

[alan garner]

Originally Posted by x1xJIGSAWx1x

Originally Posted by Alan Garner

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Rashard & Rampage had a Brawl at ringside? anyone confirm?

Yeah but it wasn't really a brawl...Rampage just went up to him and humped his leg and that was it....

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

Boxing wouldn't die and neither would MMA but point blank it would be disaster. You're buggin' if you don't think MMA won't take a hit, especially since we've just know changed a lot of people's mind of what was once thought to be a barbaric sport to the public.

The UFC is getting effected by the recession just like any other business. Trust, the Ferreita's are taking hits with their casinos going under.

And landing on the canvas would not have woken him up, that's not possible

. When you're knocked out, you're knocked out.

i didnt really say it in my previous post, but what do you think would happen? do you think that mma would lose fans? put off potential fans? i dont thinkeither would happen, all i think would happen is that the naysayers, the people who have hated all along would have even more of a reason to protest the sportbut then thats just another political war and im sure the UFC could withstand another one of those,

the point im trying to make is that a death wouldnt cause mma to lose supporters, maybe a few sponsors but not fans, it would look bad - but by "bad"i mean it would look worse to people who have hated all along, the ufc is so mainstream now that a lot of people dont even know what mma is, they just know"ufc"

and yeah, its possible he could have woken up, until he hits the ground u dont know if thats a flash KO or a full KO, its hard to tell the difference beforesomeone hits the ground, the back of his head hitting the canvas could definitely wake him up, im not saying it would have in this case but its possible

 

[fraij da 5 11]

I hate seein Mirko get smashed like that

That stuff is all part of the sport though

 

[demonbasketball04]

Mir broke Sylvia's radius bone while Sylvia was hopped on drugs in that fight.

Your ignorance of MMA is oozing through your posts. It's annoying.

 

[bastitch]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

that Hendo KO of Bisping. All I can say is that I am glad I bought the PPV in HD. It may be months before that gets deleted from my DVR. (stole this from Sherdog but...) I think I need to watch that KO every morning when I get ready for work just so I can start off each day with a smile on my face.

same here and I guess now is a good a time as any to show the noobies what Hendo did is nothing new..



peep Randleman at the 2:40 mark..it all goes downhill from there






Some guys wont stop till the ref gets them off...some guys wont stop till the ref wrestles them off...some guys don't know their opponent is out and some guys just want to make sure they won

Peace guys, I'm going on vacation.

Doesn't mean it's in the interests of UFC or even the fighters.

One bad injury and the sanctioning bodies will be all over MMA.

The thing is there are quality fighters who seem to not do that type of thing and others who do.

Not gonna happen, dude got his jaw broken on TUF and nothing happened. As far as death, 1 reported death in all of MMA history(he had previous health conditions and shouldn't have been cleared) so that's not gonna happen.6 deaths happen a year in boxing and its doing fine

The difference is that if it's a UFC fighter that's the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather dying in the ring from an illegal blow thrown on purpose. Not good at all.

Better yet.

Why don't fighters just break an opponents arm when they have an arm bar , tear their opponents knee ligaments when they've got a knee bar, completely shred their opponents rotator cuff during a Kimura, or choke an opponent for an extended period of time to allow for some brain damage.

I mean *!$*. it'd be so much easier to rise to the top when half of the field is constantly recuperating from broken bones or is just plain ******ed.

I'm sorry, but you go until the ref stops, period.

Flash knockouts happen all the time. One punch you're asleep, the next punch you're awake. It happened to Chuck with Rampage. It happened withHouston Alexander against James Irvin. If Rampage or Sandman held back, the match would have continued.

You want to see going above and beyond acceptable? Look at Sokoudjou's last fight. That kind of **** will get cornermen and trainers wanting to fight inthe ring.

The statics speak for themselves. Compared to boxing, where the impact may be reduced but is way more frequent, MMA is about as safe as any combat sport, ifnot safer because matches are stopped so quickly.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

What Sokoudjou did should get you suspended... dont know if ive ever seen anyone blatantly go after a downed opponent like that with the ref in between bothfighters.





2:40 mark




Hendo did what fighters do ALL THE TIME... it was mainly the dramatic fashion of the strike that has everybody upset... Fighters will run in at a fighter theyjust KO'd or knocked down immediately and start throwing lefts and rights like crazy unless the ref is in there waving them off.


Gonzaga clearly KO'd Cro Cop but he went and landed 3-4 shots to his face while he was on the ground within a split second... the ref came in and pushedhim off and it was over, and no one was talking about that after it happened.

 

[thehealthinspector]

jesus christ, thats gotta be roid rage if ive ever see any

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Bastitch

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by His diabolical Majesty

that Hendo KO of Bisping. All I can say is that I am glad I bought the PPV in HD. It may be months before that gets deleted from my DVR. (stole this from Sherdog but...) I think I need to watch that KO every morning when I get ready for work just so I can start off each day with a smile on my face.

same here and I guess now is a good a time as any to show the noobies what Hendo did is nothing new..



peep Randleman at the 2:40 mark..it all goes downhill from there






Some guys wont stop till the ref gets them off...some guys wont stop till the ref wrestles them off...some guys don't know their opponent is out and some guys just want to make sure they won

Peace guys, I'm going on vacation.

Doesn't mean it's in the interests of UFC or even the fighters.

One bad injury and the sanctioning bodies will be all over MMA.

The thing is there are quality fighters who seem to not do that type of thing and others who do.

Not gonna happen, dude got his jaw broken on TUF and nothing happened. As far as death, 1 reported death in all of MMA history(he had previous health conditions and shouldn't have been cleared) so that's not gonna happen.6 deaths happen a year in boxing and its doing fine

The difference is that if it's a UFC fighter that's the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather dying in the ring from an illegal blow thrown on purpose. Not good at all.

Better yet.

Why don't fighters just break an opponents arm when they have an arm bar , tear their opponents knee ligaments when they've got a knee bar, completely shred their opponents rotator cuff during a Kimura, or choke an opponent for an extended period of time to allow for some brain damage.

I mean *!$*. it'd be so much easier to rise to the top when half of the field is constantly recuperating from broken bones or is just plain ******ed.

I'm sorry, but you go until the ref stops, period.

Flash knockouts happen all the time. One punch you're asleep, the next punch you're awake. It happened to Chuck with Rampage. It happened with Houston Alexander against James Irvin. If Rampage or Sandman held back, the match would have continued.

You want to see going above and beyond acceptable? Look at Sokoudjou's last fight. That kind of **** will get cornermen and trainers wanting to fight in the ring.

The statics speak for themselves. Compared to boxing, where the impact may be reduced but is way more frequent, MMA is about as safe as any combat sport, if not safer because matches are stopped so quickly.


I don't buy the argument that it's inevitable because some fighters (among them elite fighters) do not engage in that type of stuff.

I understand why it happens and I don't really fault some of the fighters but all I'm saying is that it's a dangerous thing to mess with.
If some fighters can avoid that type of situation, why can't others?

I know that MMA is safer than boxing because a flash knockout is safer than being constantly hit in the head for 30 minutes which leads to swelling of thebrain.

However, MMA does not ahve the power or the History of Boxing in the US. The sanctioning bodies will not bat an eye if a Boxer dies in the ring but they willgo after MMA.
We're talking politics 9and all that is associated with it) here not rational thinking.

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by demonbasketball04

Mir broke Sylvia's radius bone while Sylvia was hopped on drugs in that fight.

Your ignorance of MMA is oozing through your posts. It's annoying.
Seriously this is why it's annoying to debate MMA.

Mir broke (literally snapped it) Sylvia's radius bone and Slyvia didn't even cringe. Adrenaline alone cannot account for the seeming lack of pain thatSylvia felt.
If you don't believe that Sylvia was hopped up on some type of painkillers in that fight then you're delusional.

Also, it is well known (fighters have tested for them) that painkillers (powerful ones at that) have been used pre fight in MMA.

Let's talk about ignorance.

 

[bwoodfolkgd74]

a lot of arguing about nothing in here

 

[fraij da 5 11]

^^ How is it different from football players taking painkiller injections into their knee's and things like that to play?

Pro athletes in sports like Football and MMA are under constant physical stress... and their pain tolerance is pretty incredible.

Royce Gracie was willing to get his arm snapped by Matt Hughes and refused to tap on the straight armbar that Hughes had locked up, Hughes did him a favor bynot breaking it... You can trust Royce was in a ton of pain in that situation but he showed almost no emotion other than determination.

Faber fought 15+ minutes of a title fight with 3 broken metacarpals in his power hand... only showing any sign of pain during round breaks...


Point being that there may be pain medications present of course but these guys are not your typical 9-5er when it comes to being able to withstand pain ontheir bodies.

 

[bwoodfolkgd74]

faber did show some type pain during that match. i clearly remember him saying ouch while fighting

but you are 100% correct

 

[boxer]

as much as i dislike mma these *days being a long time hendo fan i was ecstatic that he ko'ed the brit douche. and this is too good to not share.

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11

^^ How is it different from football players taking painkiller injections into their knee's and things like that to play?

Pro athletes in sports like Football and MMA are under constant physical stress... and their pain tolerance is pretty incredible.

Royce Gracie was willing to get his arm snapped by Matt Hughes and refused to tap on the straight armbar that Hughes had locked up, Hughes did him a favor by not breaking it... You can trust Royce was in a ton of pain in that situation but he showed almost no emotion other than determination.

Faber fought 15+ minutes of a title fight with 3 broken metacarpals in his power hand... only showing any sign of pain during round breaks...


Point being that there may be pain medications present of course but these guys are not your typical 9-5er when it comes to being able to withstand pain on their bodies.

What's the argument here again?
Do people argue just to argue?

Where did I argue either for or against the use of painkillers?

I gave an example where a broken bone injury occurred in MMA (in the context that broken bones aren't serious injuries; at least most types of fractures)and stated that the one who received it was hopped up on drugs and another poster called that ignorant.

I wasn't arguing for or against painkillers.
#%++. I forgot the reason that i didn't venture in the sports forum much.

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by BwooDFolkGD74

a lot of arguing about nothing in here

seriously, im sure a lot of us were hyped when dan did it considering he went airborne

but its not like any of us are glad that he did it or evencongratulating him for doing it, i think that most of us are just accepting of the notion that it happens in the moment and that u keep going until the refstops it, and im sure most of us are probably even appalled at that sokujou clip

its not like if bisping were to be laying there out cold for more than 20 seconds and the ref refused to stop the fight that we'd be saying "go untilthe ref stops u" because even dan would know that its too much, these are split second decisions we're talking about

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11

What Sokoudjou did should get you suspended... dont know if ive ever seen anyone blatantly go after a downed opponent like that with the ref in between both fighters.





2:40 mark




Hendo did what fighters do ALL THE TIME... it was mainly the dramatic fashion of the strike that has everybody upset... Fighters will run in at a fighter they just KO'd or knocked down immediately and start throwing lefts and rights like crazy unless the ref is in there waving them off.


Gonzaga clearly KO'd Cro Cop but he went and landed 3-4 shots to his face while he was on the ground within a split second... the ref came in and pushed him off and it was over, and no one was talking about that after it happened.

If you actually pay attention that wasn't nearly as bad as it looked considering that none of the punches landed flush.

Hendo jumped up in the air and landed a shot right to Bisping's jaw. If you can't understand how that multiples more dangerous than what Sokoudjou didthe it's difficult to explain why Hendo's punch is dangerous.
Again. I don't think hendo should be disciplined in any way because he didn't break any rules. On the other hand what he did was extremely dangerous.

Why do people think that when a person gets hit flush on the jaw (and the neck snaps) a flash KO ensues?
C'mon, venture to guess what happens anatomically. Why does the brain shut down momentarily?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11

^^ How is it different from football players taking painkiller injections into their knee's and things like that to play?

Pro athletes in sports like Football and MMA are under constant physical stress... and their pain tolerance is pretty incredible.

Royce Gracie was willing to get his arm snapped by Matt Hughes and refused to tap on the straight armbar that Hughes had locked up, Hughes did him a favor by not breaking it... You can trust Royce was in a ton of pain in that situation but he showed almost no emotion other than determination.

Faber fought 15+ minutes of a title fight with 3 broken metacarpals in his power hand... only showing any sign of pain during round breaks...


Point being that there may be pain medications present of course but these guys are not your typical 9-5er when it comes to being able to withstand pain on their bodies.

What's the argument here again?
Do people argue just to argue?

Where did I argue either for or against the use of painkillers?

I gave an example where a broken bone injury occurred in MMA (in the context that broken bones aren't serious injuries; at least most types of fractures) and stated that the one who received it was hopped up on drugs and another poster called that ignorant.

I wasn't arguing for or against painkillers.
#%++. I forgot the reason that i didn't venture in the sports forum much.

Man chill lol, Im not mad and you shouldnt be either.

I was responding to Sylvia being "Hopped up on painkillers" like you were saying he couldnt feel anything at all like he was on some horse PK'sor something

I dont care if someone called you ignorant, i acknowledged that painkillers are surely used and youre right about that, to me it was just that you made it looklike these guys jack themselves up on some crazy stuff so they feel no pain like the goin out to fight Chung Li from bloodsport

btw any arguing like this that goes on in the sports forum is about as common as pollen in june

its just talkin, no one gettin mad. S&T =

EDIT

If you actually pay attention that wasn't nearly as bad as it looked considering that none of the punches landed flush.

Hendo jumped up in the air and landed a shot right to Bisping's jaw. If you can't understand how that multiples more dangerous than what Sokoudjou did.

Again. I don't think hendo should be disciplined in any way because he didn't break any rules. On the other hand what he did was extremely dangerous.

I realize that its not as "dangerous"... but the point of it was that he was blatant in trying to go above and beyond the threshold of whatsaccepted... the ref was in there and he still threw 5-6 punches at the dudes head... he would have landed those too if he didnt have to punch around the refsarms lol

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11

Man chill lol, Im not mad and you shouldnt be either.

I was responding to Sylvia being "Hopped up on painkillers" like you were saying he couldnt feel anything at all like he was on some horse PK's or something

I dont care if someone called you ignorant, i acknowledged that painkillers are surely used and youre right about that, to me it was just that you made it look like these guys jack themselves up on some crazy stuff so they feel no pain like the goin out to fight Chung Li from bloodsport

btw any arguing like this that goes on in the sports forum is about as common as pollen in june

its just talkin, no one gettin mad. S&T =

I understand. It's just that it's frustrating to defend yourself against something you never even claimed in the first place (being pro oranti painkillers in mma).

btw, look up when Parisian tested positive for painkillers. It was the who's who of painkillers.

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11

If you actually pay attention that wasn't nearly as bad as it looked considering that none of the punches landed flush.

Hendo jumped up in the air and landed a shot right to Bisping's jaw. If you can't understand how that multiples more dangerous than what Sokoudjou did.

Again. I don't think hendo should be disciplined in any way because he didn't break any rules. On the other hand what he did was extremely dangerous.

I realize that its not as "dangerous"... but the point of it was that he was blatant in trying to go above and beyond the threshold of whats accepted... the ref was in there and he still threw 5-6 punches at the dudes head... he would have landed those too if he didnt have to punch around the refs arms lol



Again, I understand.
What Hendo did wasn't blatant but if a serious injury occurs the sanctioning commission and the politicians won't care how blatant (or non blatant) itwas.
It's somethign that is better avoided it the first place. Some fighters seem to know how to avoid it while others don't.

MMA is not as powerful as the NFL, Boxing Org's, NBA, Nascar, etc.

 

[wawaweewa]