Official DragonBall Z Thread. R.I.P Akira Toriyama. You will be missed

[jays25]

Becuase we're 3 arcs in regardless Yeah there's naturally going to be more to come, in which case people can modify their opinions, but there's no reason you can't say how you'd rate it in comparison to the other series so far. Hell you could just go ahead and compare arcs if you really wanted to.

Well then, I saw Goku become a god, ascend that god mode and beat up a golden frieza. I'm liking Super right now more than Z and I'm a HUGE dragon ball nerd. There's a cockiness to Goku and Co. because they've seen and done it all. That sense of desperation and fear was always hovering in Z until the Buu saga and even then once Buu blew up earth it returned. Not saying that sense of desperation won't return in Super but getting new characters, story lines and transformations in from a 20+ year old anime is amazing.
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Same stuff that all the previous series gave us, with the new addition of there now being no real stakes to what's going on and terrible animation. I find Goku's continued cockiness to be annoying as hell in all honesty.

Can't honestly see how anyone could think this was better than Z, but to each his own.

 

[silverbackhoney]

Namek needs to get blowned up so people start caring again

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

4. Power levels being ignored (SSJ God is according to Toriyama "beyond SSJ3", meaning it's SSJ4 and SSJ Blue is logically beyond that, meaning it's basically SSJ5, but Vegeta is being washed by some scrub who just became a Super Saiyan? Meaning Cabba is basically Namek saga Freeza level washing Vegeta? )

Your points are valid points but I don't necessarily think super is trash. But how exactly are power levels being ignored? Vegeta wasn't getting washed at any point in the battle. And at no point did Cabbe fight VEGETA as a super Saiyain God except for the very last second of the fight when he got one hit KO'd

 

[Chill Bill]

Come on Super has potential

We have Gods that can make even Shenron tremble, and can wash Goku and Vegeta with just a sneeze.

New universe (s).

New Sayians

A thingy man with big nipples

And Super Dragon Balls that can grant any wish

It's to much foreshadowing for it to not be good and explore different points.

 

[thekid3456]

Come on Super has potential

We have Gods that can make even Shenron tremble, and can wash Goku and Vegeta with just a sneeze.

New universe (s).
New Sayians

A thingy man with big nipples

And Super Dragon Balls that can grant any wish

It's to much foreshadowing for it to not be good and explore different points.

And they are planet size the dragon balls.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Come on Super has potential

We have Gods that can make even Shenron tremble, and can wash Goku and Vegeta with just a sneeze.

New universe (s).
New Sayians

A thingy man with big nipples

And Super Dragon Balls that can grant any wish

It's to much foreshadowing for it to not be good and explore different points.

These ridiculously strong gods gathered the strongest fighters from 2 universes to fight for instant romen...

 

[Top Boy]

4. Power levels being ignored (SSJ God is according to Toriyama "beyond SSJ3", meaning it's SSJ4 and SSJ Blue is logically beyond that, meaning it's basically SSJ5, but Vegeta is being washed by some scrub who just became a Super Saiyan?

Meaning Cabba is basically Namek saga Freeza level washing Vegeta?

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Brought this point up a page or two back.

When I saw Vegeta's knees about to buckle to some 10 year old Saiyan that just learned what super saiyan was I just sat in my seat like.. 

 

[Barbados Slim]

Brought this point up a page or two back.

When I saw Vegeta's knees about to buckle to some 10 year old Saiyan that just learned what super saiyan was I just sat in my seat like.. 

Bra he wasn't serious. Didn't you see the part right after where vegeta took a punch full force to the forehead without flinching? He was teaching him a lesson

 

[Top Boy]

Nah b those knees were buckling.

 

[antidope]

I didn't get the impression that SS Blue was more powerful than SSG, in fact I took away the opposite. SSB is only a portion of God powers

 

[Top Boy]

My impression was that their base form was raised to Super Saiyan God levels, and going super saiyan on top of that into SSB was taking it one step farther.

 

[antidope]

I didn't get that impression either cause if that was true and SSG Goku was 80% of Beerus and going SSJ doubles power the they're more powerful than him, and Frieza would have been too.

 

[Top Boy]

I didn't get that impression either cause if that was true and SSG Goku was 80% of Beerus and going SSJ doubles power the they're more powerful than him, and Frieza would have been too.

Some of the interviews help to fill in the holes.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, sothere is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

 

[antidope]

That doesn't tell me that base form Goku is equal to SSG now though.

I did catch the whole thing that whis said about "Powering up base form is the right way to train" but I still read this whole situation as SSB being at best 75% of what SSG was.

 

[Top Boy]

Ehh, from the way I interpreted it like I said earlier...

SSG from Battle of the Gods now equals Goku (and Vegeta's) base form.

SSB is the Super Saiyan multiplier on top of the SSG multiplier.

I blame any confusion on the inconsistency in power levels that they've been showing.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Brought this point up a page or two back.

When I saw Vegeta's knees about to buckle to some 10 year old Saiyan that just learned what super saiyan was I just sat in my seat like.. 

Is this really that big of a deal? Vegeta says that in their base forms they were equal in terms of power.
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It's said on more than one occasion that the Saiyans from that universe took a different evolutionary path than the Saiyans were accustomed too. I think it's a testament to how strong Cabbe actually is and his (and all saiyans from his planet) potential considering he was able to matchh pre transformation vegeta considering how strong he is at this point in the anime WITHOUT a transformation. We gotta stop thinking of these saiyans in the context of universe 6.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

That doesn't tell me that base form Goku is equal to SSG now though.

I did catch the whole thing that whis said about "Powering up base form is the right way to train" but I still read this whole situation as SSB being at best 75% of what SSG was.

Ehh, from the way I interpreted it like I said earlier...

SSG from Battle of the Gods now equals Goku (and Vegeta's) base form.

SSB is the Super Saiyan multiplier on top of the SSG multiplier.

I blame any confusion on the inconsistency in power levels that they've been showing.

I think it was confirmed by Toriyama that SSB is stronger than SSG on an interview somewhere. But I don't think that SSG equates to them in their base forms or that SSB is the natural progression of SSG. SSB is godly Ki infused into their now more powered up SSJ forms

 

[CJMcfly26]

Man I just caught up on Super, y'all dudes wildin with the this slander, super got mad potential. It can only get better at this point. Vegeta vs Hit gonna be lit

 

[Top Boy]

It's said on more than one occasion that the Saiyans from that universe took a different evolutionary path than the Saiyans were accustomed too. I think it's a testament to how strong Cabbe actually is and his (and all saiyans from his planet) potential considering he was able to matchh pre transformation vegeta considering how strong he is at this point in the anime WITHOUT a transformation. We gotta stop thinking of these saiyans in the context of universe 6.

My problem with that is... At this point, Goku and Vegeta are practically demi-gods.

No run-of-the-mill fighter should come close to matching their power level at this point.

I think it was confirmed by Toriyama that SSB is stronger than SSG on an interview somewhere. But I don't think that SSG equates to them in their base forms or that SSB is the natural progression of SSG. SSB is godly Ki infused into their now more powered up SSJ forms

I think that's what I was saying? 

SSB is just their godly ki transfused into their natural SS transformation.

Btw, new interview: 

 

[jays25]

Don't know that a Saiyan Beyond God is naturally stronger than a Super Saiyan God, but they're clearly beyond the previous levels of Super Saiyan.

 

[nflowshoe]

If Hit is washing a SS God, does that mean that he is on Beerus level?

 

[Top Boy]

Nah, they just haven't figured out his technique so they don't know how to counter it.

Vegeta like Toriyama always has him will be the test dummy for Goku to analyze and figure out a strategy.

I still think Goku might get washed too tho.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

My problem with that is... At this point, Goku and Vegeta are practically demi-gods.

No run-of-the-mill fighter should come close to matching their power level at this point.


I think that's what I was saying? 

SSB is just their godly ki transfused into their natural SS transformation.

Btw, new interview: 

They're Demi gods at full strength, which goku and vegeta haven't even come close to using. Cabbe isn't a run of the mill fighter though, none of them are. Which is why they were chosen to begin with.

I think people are tom invested in this "god" level. Keep in mind even with SSB Whis says that it would still take Goku AND Vegeta to POSSIBLY beat Beerus and Whis is beyond that. Sure we can classify goku and vegeta as gods but they're still not on the level of the true gods

That interview got me really excited about the future.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

So Future Trunks is confirmed, like I predicted. Super is going to ruin everyone's favorite character...

 

[AIRMAXDISCIPLE]

 
So Future Trunks is confirmed, like I predicted. Super is going to ruin everyone's favorite character...

so Future Trunks is coming back in DBS ?? where did you saw that, you have a link to that info ??