Official Carmelo Anthony Trade Rumors Thread (Carmelo is Officially a Knick)

[mronegative]

 

[mronegative]

 

[debso]

bron tryna help us after giving us the shaft in the tristate.

 

[debso]

bron tryna help us after giving us the shaft in the tristate.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Why would Melo tell the media that?

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Why would Melo tell the media that?

 

[YouGotThese]

MrONegative wrote:

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I swear ESPN is the new E! or TMZ. 

Straight instigators

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[YouGotThese]

MrONegative wrote:

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I swear ESPN is the new E! or TMZ. 

Straight instigators

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[viiheaven]

Denver's GM is a novice. Donnie has been in this game for years. Do you really think you're going to intimidate him into giving up more than he thinks he has too?

 

[viiheaven]

Denver's GM is a novice. Donnie has been in this game for years. Do you really think you're going to intimidate him into giving up more than he thinks he has too?

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Don't believe Melo directly said that but

They're all good friends and after what we saw this past summer wouldn't put this past them.

I think ESPN just figured the Nets rumors were just to take up media time now they throwing in LeBron to make him look even more like the bad guy

This is just comedy. Bet they be looking at a chess board deciding who gets CP3, Deron and Dwight.

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Don't believe Melo directly said that but

They're all good friends and after what we saw this past summer wouldn't put this past them.

I think ESPN just figured the Nets rumors were just to take up media time now they throwing in LeBron to make him look even more like the bad guy

This is just comedy. Bet they be looking at a chess board deciding who gets CP3, Deron and Dwight.

 

[mrdozo]

i have no more nails to bite. The Nets are like the ugly fat girl that keeps asking the same guy out for a date after multiple rejections. I dont mind waiting until the end of this season so the Knicks can sign Melo and trade nothing. that would be niiiiiice

 

[mrdozo]

i have no more nails to bite. The Nets are like the ugly fat girl that keeps asking the same guy out for a date after multiple rejections. I dont mind waiting until the end of this season so the Knicks can sign Melo and trade nothing. that would be niiiiiice

 

[pysch]

There are still only two teams that Carmelo Anthony has thought about signing a contract extension with: the Nuggets and Knicks, a source told Ken Berger of CBS Sports.
Anthony isn't pushing for a meeting with the Nets, which would take place to discuss the possibility of an extension before New Jersey, Denver and Detroit complete a three-team deal highlighted by the All-Star forward.


 http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi..._extension_with_nuggets_knicks/#ixzz1BRIj72SQ

seems like they just keep bumping different rumors that have been floating around since the summer

 

[pysch]

There are still only two teams that Carmelo Anthony has thought about signing a contract extension with: the Nuggets and Knicks, a source told Ken Berger of CBS Sports.
Anthony isn't pushing for a meeting with the Nets, which would take place to discuss the possibility of an extension before New Jersey, Denver and Detroit complete a three-team deal highlighted by the All-Star forward.


 http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi..._extension_with_nuggets_knicks/#ixzz1BRIj72SQ

seems like they just keep bumping different rumors that have been floating around since the summer

 

[trasoul82]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

 

[trasoul82]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

 

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Only way Knicks can compete with the Heat is if Melo joins huh...

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[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

You have no idea what you're talking about. What you're saying is, instead of obtaining whatever assets they can get for Carmelo, Denver should just stand pat and watch him leave at the end of the season. Leaving them with no star player, no draft picks, and no talented young players, exactly the situation Cleveland and Toronto are in now. Imagine if Toronto traded Chris Bosh to the whoever before Feb. last season. They would be in A LOT better situation right now, namely because they would have gotten some young, cheap talent to bolster their roster and flexibility going forward, while also having multiple picks in the upcoming drafts. But they didn't, he walked, and now they have a horrible roster with few assets. But you think Denver should do the same.

They are preparing for the future by holding out as long as they can, for the biggest haul of assets they can get. I mean why would you ever let an asset walk away for nothing? Because he "served his time?" Get a clue.

Denver is just hoping Carmelo somehow accepts the extension so they can take the superior NJ offer, but he won't, so at the end of the day they'll probably ship him to NY for some players and picks.

 

[abovelegit1]

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

You have no idea what you're talking about. What you're saying is, instead of obtaining whatever assets they can get for Carmelo, Denver should just stand pat and watch him leave at the end of the season. Leaving them with no star player, no draft picks, and no talented young players, exactly the situation Cleveland and Toronto are in now. Imagine if Toronto traded Chris Bosh to the whoever before Feb. last season. They would be in A LOT better situation right now, namely because they would have gotten some young, cheap talent to bolster their roster and flexibility going forward, while also having multiple picks in the upcoming drafts. But they didn't, he walked, and now they have a horrible roster with few assets. But you think Denver should do the same.

They are preparing for the future by holding out as long as they can, for the biggest haul of assets they can get. I mean why would you ever let an asset walk away for nothing? Because he "served his time?" Get a clue.

Denver is just hoping Carmelo somehow accepts the extension so they can take the superior NJ offer, but he won't, so at the end of the day they'll probably ship him to NY for some players and picks.

 

[trasoul82]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

You have no idea what you're talking about. What you're saying is, instead of obtaining whatever assets they can for Carmelo, Denver should just stand pat and watch him leave at the end of the season. Leaving them with no star player, no draft picks, and no talented young players, exactly the situation Cleveland and Toronto are in now. Imagine if Toronto traded Chris Bosh to the whoever before Feb. last season. They would be in A LOT better situation right now, namely because they would have gotten some young, cheap talent to bolster their roster and flexibility, while also having multiple picks in the upcoming drafts.

They are preparing for the future by holding out as long as they can, for the biggest haul of assets they can get. I mean why would you ever let an asset walk away for nothing? Because he "served his time?" Get a clue.

Denver is just hoping Carmelo somehow accepts the extension so they can take superior NJ offer, but he won't, so at the end of the day they'll probably ship him to NY for some players and picks.

No... that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they have a jump start on the fact that Melo doesn't want to be there so they can start to prepare for the future now. Melo's value to the Nuggets is wrapped up in a contract that hasn't been signed. The Cavs and Raptors were caught off guard. The Nuggets already know what the deal is. There won't be any "decisions" or teams setting up meetings where they lay out marketing strategies only to look like fools. The writing is on the wall. So they should take advantage of their head start.  

I think you are missing the point that the Nuggets have... no... power.... Unless Melo signs that contract. And why would the Knicks give up anything when they know Melo wants to come and play for them anyway? Is an extra half-season really that important to the Knicks or Melo if it puts them in a worse position for the future? IF the Knicks trade for Melo they won't be giving up much unless they are stupid. You make it sound so simple. Just "ship him to NY players and picks." Where's the incentive for the Knicks? The Knicks won't be missing out on anything if they keep their picks and wait until the off-season.

At the end of the day, when a team wants to trade a player who doesn't want to be with them, it would make a lot more sense to do it before the last year of his contract. He can wait out a half-season. Once the trade deadline passes, then what? They gonna bench him out of spite? Melo doesn't have to sign the new contract, period. All he has to do is play out his current contract. Which is what he's been paid for. That's the point of a contract. Teams only take on expiring contracts if the player sucks.

 

[trasoul82]

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.

Yeah, that sure sounds like good business sense.

Take a look at the alternative. Is what is currently going down "good business sense?" The Nuggets FO lost the power when they offered the contract. They were thinking "there's no way he'll decline 65 mil/3 yrs" and they were wrong. Now they are thinking they can get value out of the same contract he doesn't want to take by trying to send him to a team he doesn't want to go to. Is THAT the good business sense you're refering to?

To me it would make sense to accept the fact the Melo signed the longer contract and served his time. At least they know he wants to leave. Now prepare for life without him. This current approach is awful. C'mon, their big move this summer to try to keep Melo was signing Al Harrington. Now they want to ship Al off with Melo. Or maybe Billups... or maybe they want 5 first round picks. So tell me what the good business decision would be that would trump letting Melo play put his contract and prepare for the future. I'd honestly like to know what you think the Nuggets should do in their current situation... Let me know. Let us all know.

On a side note, I have to give props to Melo for letting that contract sit there. I'd hope he'd do it, but I never thought he'd be strong enough to. I hope he gets himself into a competive situation. The Melo-Lebron rivaly needs to happen yesterday.

You have no idea what you're talking about. What you're saying is, instead of obtaining whatever assets they can for Carmelo, Denver should just stand pat and watch him leave at the end of the season. Leaving them with no star player, no draft picks, and no talented young players, exactly the situation Cleveland and Toronto are in now. Imagine if Toronto traded Chris Bosh to the whoever before Feb. last season. They would be in A LOT better situation right now, namely because they would have gotten some young, cheap talent to bolster their roster and flexibility, while also having multiple picks in the upcoming drafts.

They are preparing for the future by holding out as long as they can, for the biggest haul of assets they can get. I mean why would you ever let an asset walk away for nothing? Because he "served his time?" Get a clue.

Denver is just hoping Carmelo somehow accepts the extension so they can take superior NJ offer, but he won't, so at the end of the day they'll probably ship him to NY for some players and picks.

No... that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they have a jump start on the fact that Melo doesn't want to be there so they can start to prepare for the future now. Melo's value to the Nuggets is wrapped up in a contract that hasn't been signed. The Cavs and Raptors were caught off guard. The Nuggets already know what the deal is. There won't be any "decisions" or teams setting up meetings where they lay out marketing strategies only to look like fools. The writing is on the wall. So they should take advantage of their head start.  

I think you are missing the point that the Nuggets have... no... power.... Unless Melo signs that contract. And why would the Knicks give up anything when they know Melo wants to come and play for them anyway? Is an extra half-season really that important to the Knicks or Melo if it puts them in a worse position for the future? IF the Knicks trade for Melo they won't be giving up much unless they are stupid. You make it sound so simple. Just "ship him to NY players and picks." Where's the incentive for the Knicks? The Knicks won't be missing out on anything if they keep their picks and wait until the off-season.

At the end of the day, when a team wants to trade a player who doesn't want to be with them, it would make a lot more sense to do it before the last year of his contract. He can wait out a half-season. Once the trade deadline passes, then what? They gonna bench him out of spite? Melo doesn't have to sign the new contract, period. All he has to do is play out his current contract. Which is what he's been paid for. That's the point of a contract. Teams only take on expiring contracts if the player sucks.

 

[abovelegit1]

Don't be ridiculous. Walsh is smart enough not to overpay, but given the opportunity, he will pony up to secure Anthony's services before the deadline and the end of the current CBA.

Further breakdown:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MeloMyths-110118

Myth 3: If the Nuggets and Knicks can't reach a deal, Melo will just hold out and sign a max contract with the Knicks this summer via free agency.

He does have that option, but there are two big reasons that Knicks fans shouldn't count on this happening.

First, he's never indicated he's willing to take the risk involved in refusing to sign the extension that's on the table. In fact, I haven't spoken to one source in the league that thinks he would.

Why? If Melo becomes a free agent this year, he is suddenly risking more than $80 million -- a guaranteed $18.5 million next year plus almost $65 million in a three-year extension, which averages out to better than $20 million per season for four seasons, carrying him to age 31, when he could presumably get another big contract.

He could make some of that money back in free agency (barring health issues). But with the NBA's collective bargaining agreement set to expire on July 1, there is a great deal of uncertainty about the rules under which Anthony would sign his next contract if he decides to become a free agent.

Owners want to shorten the maximum length and dollar amount of contracts, lower the salary cap and install a hard salary cap. While it's unlikely the owners will get everything they want, they'll probably get some of it, which means it's almost certain that the best deal Anthony can get is between now and Feb. 24. That explains why the CBA is on his mind, as he confirmed in an ESPN interview last week.

Second, the Knicks don't have the cap space to sign Anthony to a max contract this summer.

Even if the team were to renounce key players Chandler and Shawne Williams, along with Curry, Kelenna Azubuike and Roger Mason, they would have only $12.5 million or so in cap space (assuming no changes in the league's salary cap). With Melo set to earn $18.5 million next year, that would be a huge pay cut.

If the Knicks were to trade Randolph for an expiring contract before the trade deadline, they would get another $2.9 million with which to work. After that, they'd likely try to move either Ronny Turiaf or Timofey Mozgov to clear the rest of the cap space they would need. Turiaf has an expiring contract and Mozgov's contract is only partially guaranteed that year, and both would have some value on the market. But knowing that the Knicks were desperate, teams would try to take advantage of them the same way Houston did at the trade deadline in 2009, when the Knicks were trying to get Jared Jeffries off their books.

It gets even more complicated. All of that assumes that the league has the same salary cap (about $58 million) that it did last year. But no one I have talked to believes that the salary cap will be as high when the new collective bargaining agreement takes effect. In that case, the Knicks would have to clear even more cap space.

So while it's not impossible for the Knicks to hand Anthony a max contract in free agency, it's not a slam dunk, and the Knicks are likely to lose several talented players in the process.