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Official Carmelo Anthony Trade Rumors Thread (Carmelo is Officially a Knick)
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Yep.
And the only thing holding up this trade is Donnie's inability to gain more picks/players to entice Denver.
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Yep.
And the only thing holding up this trade is Donnie's inability to gain more picks/players to entice Denver.
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yup. Melo has nothing to do with the trade scenario. All he did was decline the extension. He never demanded a trade or put everything on blast
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yup. Melo has nothing to do with the trade scenario. All he did was decline the extension. He never demanded a trade or put everything on blast
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Shuges its my understanding that the nuggets haven't ben in a serious diologue with walsh. Why would he go teas talent for picks if they don't have any serious talks
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Shuges its my understanding that the nuggets haven't ben in a serious diologue with walsh. Why would he go teas talent for picks if they don't have any serious talks
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Exactly. How anyone can blame Melo is beyond me. Hes made it pretty clear if you read between the lines what he wants. But Denver and their management dont wanna give him the money and the team he wants. So they are trying to force him on a lesser team. If hes cool with taking less money to be in the situation he wants to be in then where is the problem in that.
But then if he takes the money to play for the Nets everyone calls him an idiot because the Nets just arent a good team and he is taking a step back as far a championship contention. But if he goes to the Knicks for less hes an idiot for not taking the money. So its a lose lose apparently for Melo according to some of these idiots out here.
Denver should just try and put together the best Knicks deal they can (it wont be great because they dicked around and now have no leverage in the matter) and call it a day. And take it as a learning experience because management handled the situation terribly
Edit: If it goes on much longer and I were the Knicks id just tell em to F themselves and get him in FA. Or just offer Curry Chandler and throw in a pick. Dotn give them Gallo and Chandler. They wont be able to keep Chandler and get Melo in FA anyways, plus they play the same position. So just do that and if they dont take that then they would more than likely rent him for nothing to a WC team for their playoff run. Denver is gonna get raped bad on a trade at this point and its no1s fault but their own.
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Exactly. How anyone can blame Melo is beyond me. Hes made it pretty clear if you read between the lines what he wants. But Denver and their management dont wanna give him the money and the team he wants. So they are trying to force him on a lesser team. If hes cool with taking less money to be in the situation he wants to be in then where is the problem in that.
But then if he takes the money to play for the Nets everyone calls him an idiot because the Nets just arent a good team and he is taking a step back as far a championship contention. But if he goes to the Knicks for less hes an idiot for not taking the money. So its a lose lose apparently for Melo according to some of these idiots out here.
Denver should just try and put together the best Knicks deal they can (it wont be great because they dicked around and now have no leverage in the matter) and call it a day. And take it as a learning experience because management handled the situation terribly
Edit: If it goes on much longer and I were the Knicks id just tell em to F themselves and get him in FA. Or just offer Curry Chandler and throw in a pick. Dotn give them Gallo and Chandler. They wont be able to keep Chandler and get Melo in FA anyways, plus they play the same position. So just do that and if they dont take that then they would more than likely rent him for nothing to a WC team for their playoff run. Denver is gonna get raped bad on a trade at this point and its no1s fault but their own.
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Pretty much. Yujiri is just a yes man, making no independent decisions. Anybody who has watched this team over the past several years or so knows that the front office is not about that life when it comes to making moves. Melo knows it too. They need to shake things up. When they first discovered that melo wanted to be traded, their thought process should have been, "lets make some moves to get this team more competitive", not "he's not signing, the jig is up, lets see what we can get for him." Not to mention the new jersey deal includes billups now, who wants to stay home in denver. So now if he signs, billups will be looking at him on the bench like, "thanks melo
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Pretty much. Yujiri is just a yes man, making no independent decisions. Anybody who has watched this team over the past several years or so knows that the front office is not about that life when it comes to making moves. Melo knows it too. They need to shake things up. When they first discovered that melo wanted to be traded, their thought process should have been, "lets make some moves to get this team more competitive", not "he's not signing, the jig is up, lets see what we can get for him." Not to mention the new jersey deal includes billups now, who wants to stay home in denver. So now if he signs, billups will be looking at him on the bench like, "thanks melo
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Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.
As for Melo, the only thing he's been guaranteeing is that he will be playing the next game vs. whoever is next on the Nuggets' schedule. The Nuggets are the bitter soon to be ex-girlfriend who wants to choose their replacement. That's not how it works. I really don't know how the Denver has been talking to New Jersey literally for months (things only quieted down when Melo's sister died) with no indication from Melo that he wants to play for them. It's called denial and it's beyond pathetic at this point. "Keep making our talks public and we'll trade him to the Knicks." SMH...
Part of me wants to believe that this will die down once the trading deadline has come and gone. But somehow I can see things getting very interesting as the season closes. Call it a hunch.
As for Melo, the only thing he's been guaranteeing is that he will be playing the next game vs. whoever is next on the Nuggets' schedule. The Nuggets are the bitter soon to be ex-girlfriend who wants to choose their replacement. That's not how it works. I really don't know how the Denver has been talking to New Jersey literally for months (things only quieted down when Melo's sister died) with no indication from Melo that he wants to play for them. It's called denial and it's beyond pathetic at this point. "Keep making our talks public and we'll trade him to the Knicks." SMH...
Part of me wants to believe that this will die down once the trading deadline has come and gone. But somehow I can see things getting very interesting as the season closes. Call it a hunch.
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Will this be the new trend? When a player declines a contract extension, the team has to get "something for him?" What they get should get is the remainder of his contract. That's what they paid for.
As for Melo, the only thing he's been guaranteeing is that he will be playing the next game vs. whoever is next on the Nuggets' schedule. The Nuggets are the bitter soon to be ex-girlfriend who wants to choose their replacement. That's not how it works. I really don't know how the Denver has been talking to New Jersey literally for months (things only quieted down when Melo's sister died) with no indication from Melo that he wants to play for them. It's called denial and it's beyond pathetic at this point. "Keep making our talks public and we'll trade him to the Knicks." SMH...
Part of me wants to believe that this will die down once the trading deadline has come and gone. But somehow I can see things getting very interesting as the season closes. Call it a hunch.
As for Melo, the only thing he's been guaranteeing is that he will be playing the next game vs. whoever is next on the Nuggets' schedule. The Nuggets are the bitter soon to be ex-girlfriend who wants to choose their replacement. That's not how it works. I really don't know how the Denver has been talking to New Jersey literally for months (things only quieted down when Melo's sister died) with no indication from Melo that he wants to play for them. It's called denial and it's beyond pathetic at this point. "Keep making our talks public and we'll trade him to the Knicks." SMH...
Part of me wants to believe that this will die down once the trading deadline has come and gone. But somehow I can see things getting very interesting as the season closes. Call it a hunch.
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[h1]Nets’ pitch to ’Melo: swing and miss?[/h1]
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
The New Jersey Nets had strutted around so full of themselves: big talk, blustery billboards and puffed-up promises. Even so, no one bought into the myth of Mikhail Prokhorov the way they did within that forlorn franchise. The Nets treat the Russian owner like some deity, like a Euro Mark Cuban, when he’s little more than an absentee landlord cutting big checks and delivering delusional proclamations of championship parades inside of five seasons.
If the Nets truly need to sell Carmelo Anthony(notes) on accepting the trade and signing a contract extension, they’re a bigger lost cause than they’ve ever been. The Nets can’t let Prokhorov and Jay-Z get on a jet and go sell that now because this process has already cost them too much credibility – and because billionaires aren’t supposed to beg. Make no mistake: The manufactured aura of this ownership dream team will be obliterated with a ’Melo rejection.
More From Adrian Wojnarowski
- Rose standing tall among NBA elite Jan 16, 2011
- Cavs discuss deal for ’Cats’ Wallace Jan 14, 2011
Carmelo Anthony has yet to publicly say whether he wants to play for the Nets.
(NBAE/Getty Images)
After all, ’Melo isn’t Kobe Bryant(notes). He isn’t LeBron James(notes). Or Dwyane Wade(notes). He isn’t a transcendent talent who sells out the arena, elevates everyone and changes everything. Anthony is a prolific scorer, but he’ll never be your leader. There are stars worth a franchise selling out everything, but Anthony isn’t one of them. For all the big talk out of these Nets, all the promises that the world wanted to come play for the Russian billionaire and rap mogul in Brooklyn, that makes ’Melo’s painful, public reluctance to make a commitment even worse.
Prokhorov promised a title by 2016, but the way the Nets are going now, they’ll be fortunate to win a playoff series over that time. And that’s with or without ’Melo. The Nets barged boldly into last summer’s free agency to emerge with a class that included Johan Petro(notes) and Jordan Farmar(notes). No one of substance cared about Prokhorov’s move to Brooklyn or his yachts and mansions and jets and entourages of party girls.
When everyone believed Prokhorov would hit the NBA like a force nature, he’s hit it like Herb Kohl.
Now, the Nets are behaving in a most desperate way and trying too hard to validate Prokhorov’s relevance in the sport. Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.
Part of it is Anthony trying to protect his image, sparing himself a LeBron-esque lampooning. Part of it is simply denying everything, so there’s no follow-up questions to answer. Part of it is pure confusion and frustration, because as hard as his wife and reps push him on the Nets, it come down to this for ’Melo: Why would I do this?
This has become pure folly, and the Nets have allowed themselves to become the punch line. The Denver Nuggets keep coming back for a larger haul, pushing to get another 2010 first-round pick – injured, but promising rookie Damion James(notes) – into the trade package, a league source said. The Nets will send back three future first-round picks. New Jersey keeps bending, keeps giving and still has to go groveling to ’Melo. His reps have sold the Nets hard on this deal, and it’s believed that his wife, La La Vazquez, will get Joumana Kidd-level latitude within the franchise.
The Nets should’ve had an assurance months ago that Anthony would sign with them and spared themselves the embarrassment of this negotiating process. No one preys on desperation like William Wesley and he’s found so much with the Nets. Worldwide Wes controls CAA’s basketball division – its coaches and players – and sees New Jersey as a prime location to package them for monster commissions and maximum influence. With LeBron helping recruit, they’re working college and high school kids hard on a future with CAA. The packaging of James, Wade and Chris Bosh(notes) to Miami has changed everything and pushed future free agents into a conglomerate mindset.
Old-school New York Knicks president Donnie Walsh never warmed to the idea that agents could dictate his coaching hire, but the Nets’ move to Brooklyn makes everything negotiable. Everything’s available there. The Nets’ suits need to sell sponsorships and fill a new arena in 2012 for a franchise that barely has a fan base in Jersey – never mind one that resonates across the Hudson River.
Yes, everyone senses desperation with these Nets – the Nuggets, ’Melo’s agents – and that’s for good reason. They’re selling and selling, but no one’s been buying the big, mysterious Russian billionaire who actually isn’t such a mystery after all. He doesn’t know the NBA. He doesn’t like the Internet because he says there’s too much information. He barely had any thoughts about who to hire or why. And he’s never around anyway.
Through it all this summer, New Jersey ran TV ads promoting salary-cap space. The Nets thrust bigger-than-life murals of ownership on the sides of skyscrapers and even shadowed Madison Square Garden with that Prokhorov/Jay-Z “Blueprint for Success
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[h1][/h1]
[h1]Nets’ pitch to ’Melo: swing and miss?[/h1]
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
The New Jersey Nets had strutted around so full of themselves: big talk, blustery billboards and puffed-up promises. Even so, no one bought into the myth of Mikhail Prokhorov the way they did within that forlorn franchise. The Nets treat the Russian owner like some deity, like a Euro Mark Cuban, when he’s little more than an absentee landlord cutting big checks and delivering delusional proclamations of championship parades inside of five seasons.
If the Nets truly need to sell Carmelo Anthony(notes) on accepting the trade and signing a contract extension, they’re a bigger lost cause than they’ve ever been. The Nets can’t let Prokhorov and Jay-Z get on a jet and go sell that now because this process has already cost them too much credibility – and because billionaires aren’t supposed to beg. Make no mistake: The manufactured aura of this ownership dream team will be obliterated with a ’Melo rejection.
More From Adrian Wojnarowski
- Rose standing tall among NBA elite Jan 16, 2011
- Cavs discuss deal for ’Cats’ Wallace Jan 14, 2011
Carmelo Anthony has yet to publicly say whether he wants to play for the Nets.
(NBAE/Getty Images)
After all, ’Melo isn’t Kobe Bryant(notes). He isn’t LeBron James(notes). Or Dwyane Wade(notes). He isn’t a transcendent talent who sells out the arena, elevates everyone and changes everything. Anthony is a prolific scorer, but he’ll never be your leader. There are stars worth a franchise selling out everything, but Anthony isn’t one of them. For all the big talk out of these Nets, all the promises that the world wanted to come play for the Russian billionaire and rap mogul in Brooklyn, that makes ’Melo’s painful, public reluctance to make a commitment even worse.
Prokhorov promised a title by 2016, but the way the Nets are going now, they’ll be fortunate to win a playoff series over that time. And that’s with or without ’Melo. The Nets barged boldly into last summer’s free agency to emerge with a class that included Johan Petro(notes) and Jordan Farmar(notes). No one of substance cared about Prokhorov’s move to Brooklyn or his yachts and mansions and jets and entourages of party girls.
When everyone believed Prokhorov would hit the NBA like a force nature, he’s hit it like Herb Kohl.
Now, the Nets are behaving in a most desperate way and trying too hard to validate Prokhorov’s relevance in the sport. Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.
Part of it is Anthony trying to protect his image, sparing himself a LeBron-esque lampooning. Part of it is simply denying everything, so there’s no follow-up questions to answer. Part of it is pure confusion and frustration, because as hard as his wife and reps push him on the Nets, it come down to this for ’Melo: Why would I do this?
This has become pure folly, and the Nets have allowed themselves to become the punch line. The Denver Nuggets keep coming back for a larger haul, pushing to get another 2010 first-round pick – injured, but promising rookie Damion James(notes) – into the trade package, a league source said. The Nets will send back three future first-round picks. New Jersey keeps bending, keeps giving and still has to go groveling to ’Melo. His reps have sold the Nets hard on this deal, and it’s believed that his wife, La La Vazquez, will get Joumana Kidd-level latitude within the franchise.
The Nets should’ve had an assurance months ago that Anthony would sign with them and spared themselves the embarrassment of this negotiating process. No one preys on desperation like William Wesley and he’s found so much with the Nets. Worldwide Wes controls CAA’s basketball division – its coaches and players – and sees New Jersey as a prime location to package them for monster commissions and maximum influence. With LeBron helping recruit, they’re working college and high school kids hard on a future with CAA. The packaging of James, Wade and Chris Bosh(notes) to Miami has changed everything and pushed future free agents into a conglomerate mindset.
Old-school New York Knicks president Donnie Walsh never warmed to the idea that agents could dictate his coaching hire, but the Nets’ move to Brooklyn makes everything negotiable. Everything’s available there. The Nets’ suits need to sell sponsorships and fill a new arena in 2012 for a franchise that barely has a fan base in Jersey – never mind one that resonates across the Hudson River.
Yes, everyone senses desperation with these Nets – the Nuggets, ’Melo’s agents – and that’s for good reason. They’re selling and selling, but no one’s been buying the big, mysterious Russian billionaire who actually isn’t such a mystery after all. He doesn’t know the NBA. He doesn’t like the Internet because he says there’s too much information. He barely had any thoughts about who to hire or why. And he’s never around anyway.
Through it all this summer, New Jersey ran TV ads promoting salary-cap space. The Nets thrust bigger-than-life murals of ownership on the sides of skyscrapers and even shadowed Madison Square Garden with that Prokhorov/Jay-Z “Blueprint for Success
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Had he signed a 3 year extension like Bosh, Wade and Lebron this could have been avoided. It's pretty clear Melo wants to play in NY, but he wants the extension to go along with it (which I don't see happening). NJ is a joke with a micro-manager coach in the "little general" who tends to butt heads with his players, and eventually his overbearing style results in players tuning him out. It will be interesting to see how this ends with the trade deadline a little over a month a way.
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Had he signed a 3 year extension like Bosh, Wade and Lebron this could have been avoided. It's pretty clear Melo wants to play in NY, but he wants the extension to go along with it (which I don't see happening). NJ is a joke with a micro-manager coach in the "little general" who tends to butt heads with his players, and eventually his overbearing style results in players tuning him out. It will be interesting to see how this ends with the trade deadline a little over a month a way.
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Simmons' latest article tackles that 4th year thing really well. Had he hired Leon Rose earlier/had his old agent thought long term, he would have signed for 3 years like LBJ/Bosh/Wade. But the old agent didn't, so Melo's partly to blame for this potential debacle.
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Simmons' latest article tackles that 4th year thing really well. Had he hired Leon Rose earlier/had his old agent thought long term, he would have signed for 3 years like LBJ/Bosh/Wade. But the old agent didn't, so Melo's partly to blame for this potential debacle.
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I really do hope Donnie low balls the Nuggets with a Curry-Chandler-pick offer and nothing more from them. I'd also prefer they get an extra player (like O.J. or a center) with Melo in any multi-team deal while giving up TD as well.
It really does seem Den has just been stalling trying to scare Donnie in to some ridiculous offer by entertaining the Nets offers while still having some slim hope that Melo will warm up to the idea of signing to the Nets so they can get everything they want and spite the Knicks. Thing is closer we get to the deadline the more the reality of Den not getting anything for Melo becomes apparent making them more desperate than the Nets are now.
When you think about it if Melo were to go to the Nets by the time they get to BK he'll already be 2 years in to that contract extension and according to the proposed trades and other comments we know an over the hill Rip, a regressing Lopez, maybe Harrington, and no Billups along with no picks for a couple years with w/e else Den tries to screw them with will be the foundation for a team that's suppose to be giving him a chance to win a championship
He's basically giving up 2 of his prime years in NJ waiting for that team to make moves to build a finals contender when they're giving up picks and taking on huge contracts for old players with Avery as the coach.
EDIT
The deadline is the Feb. 19th right?
It really does seem Den has just been stalling trying to scare Donnie in to some ridiculous offer by entertaining the Nets offers while still having some slim hope that Melo will warm up to the idea of signing to the Nets so they can get everything they want and spite the Knicks. Thing is closer we get to the deadline the more the reality of Den not getting anything for Melo becomes apparent making them more desperate than the Nets are now.
When you think about it if Melo were to go to the Nets by the time they get to BK he'll already be 2 years in to that contract extension and according to the proposed trades and other comments we know an over the hill Rip, a regressing Lopez, maybe Harrington, and no Billups along with no picks for a couple years with w/e else Den tries to screw them with will be the foundation for a team that's suppose to be giving him a chance to win a championship
EDIT
The deadline is the Feb. 19th right?
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I really do hope Donnie low balls the Nuggets with a Curry-Chandler-pick offer and nothing more from them. I'd also prefer they get an extra player (like O.J. or a center) with Melo in any multi-team deal while giving up TD as well.
It really does seem Den has just been stalling trying to scare Donnie in to some ridiculous offer by entertaining the Nets offers while still having some slim hope that Melo will warm up to the idea of signing to the Nets so they can get everything they want and spite the Knicks. Thing is closer we get to the deadline the more the reality of Den not getting anything for Melo becomes apparent making them more desperate than the Nets are now.
When you think about it if Melo were to go to the Nets by the time they get to BK he'll already be 2 years in to that contract extension and according to the proposed trades and other comments we know an over the hill Rip, a regressing Lopez, maybe Harrington, and no Billups along with no picks for a couple years with w/e else Den tries to screw them with will be the foundation for a team that's suppose to be giving him a chance to win a championship
He's basically giving up 2 of his prime years in NJ waiting for that team to make moves to build a finals contender when they're giving up picks and taking on huge contracts for old players with Avery as the coach.
EDIT
The deadline is the Feb. 19th right?
It really does seem Den has just been stalling trying to scare Donnie in to some ridiculous offer by entertaining the Nets offers while still having some slim hope that Melo will warm up to the idea of signing to the Nets so they can get everything they want and spite the Knicks. Thing is closer we get to the deadline the more the reality of Den not getting anything for Melo becomes apparent making them more desperate than the Nets are now.
When you think about it if Melo were to go to the Nets by the time they get to BK he'll already be 2 years in to that contract extension and according to the proposed trades and other comments we know an over the hill Rip, a regressing Lopez, maybe Harrington, and no Billups along with no picks for a couple years with w/e else Den tries to screw them with will be the foundation for a team that's suppose to be giving him a chance to win a championship
EDIT
The deadline is the Feb. 19th right?
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^ it really does seem like that is exactly what is happening...
the whole nets fiasco seems like a plot the owner/gm of denver by feeding espn 'insiders' !#$+%*%% to get walsh thinking its going down is a really sad sad ploy to trying to salvage what they can.
its amateur hour over in denver, and neither melo or walsh look like they are caving in...
plus why would melo be loyal to denver anymore? seems like he is probably telling walsh/knicks exactly what is going on, which is why walsh has not pulled the trigger with a wild trade...plus i don't see why melo would want knicks to give up a bunch of players for him when he is going to end up there...it would make perfect sense for melo to want to go to the knicks for the least amount of talent so he has a better team to play with....
i just hope he isn't traded and signs in off-season....
the whole nets fiasco seems like a plot the owner/gm of denver by feeding espn 'insiders' !#$+%*%% to get walsh thinking its going down is a really sad sad ploy to trying to salvage what they can.
its amateur hour over in denver, and neither melo or walsh look like they are caving in...
plus why would melo be loyal to denver anymore? seems like he is probably telling walsh/knicks exactly what is going on, which is why walsh has not pulled the trigger with a wild trade...plus i don't see why melo would want knicks to give up a bunch of players for him when he is going to end up there...it would make perfect sense for melo to want to go to the knicks for the least amount of talent so he has a better team to play with....
i just hope he isn't traded and signs in off-season....
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^ it really does seem like that is exactly what is happening...
the whole nets fiasco seems like a plot the owner/gm of denver by feeding espn 'insiders' !#$+%*%% to get walsh thinking its going down is a really sad sad ploy to trying to salvage what they can.
its amateur hour over in denver, and neither melo or walsh look like they are caving in...
plus why would melo be loyal to denver anymore? seems like he is probably telling walsh/knicks exactly what is going on, which is why walsh has not pulled the trigger with a wild trade...plus i don't see why melo would want knicks to give up a bunch of players for him when he is going to end up there...it would make perfect sense for melo to want to go to the knicks for the least amount of talent so he has a better team to play with....
i just hope he isn't traded and signs in off-season....
the whole nets fiasco seems like a plot the owner/gm of denver by feeding espn 'insiders' !#$+%*%% to get walsh thinking its going down is a really sad sad ploy to trying to salvage what they can.
its amateur hour over in denver, and neither melo or walsh look like they are caving in...
plus why would melo be loyal to denver anymore? seems like he is probably telling walsh/knicks exactly what is going on, which is why walsh has not pulled the trigger with a wild trade...plus i don't see why melo would want knicks to give up a bunch of players for him when he is going to end up there...it would make perfect sense for melo to want to go to the knicks for the least amount of talent so he has a better team to play with....
i just hope he isn't traded and signs in off-season....
