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I liked that P$C album. I like it more than most of TI's albums.
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A lot of dudes get passes for having writers evidently. Let's not just bash kanye.Also I believe redman surpassed Eric sermon
Ghost face surpassed rza
There's 2 examples Magic33
Also Kanye didn't improve
He just got better ghostwriters
Can't believe he still gets a CRAZY pass for that
These 3 being on vacation got you all talking about every damn rap topic under the sun in the meantime.
Where are any of those artist right now?
Like I said Wayne would not have flourished under Jay
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Compilation album but he is on the cover in all his glory. Not saying that he shouldn't be but come on lets be serious he is about himself.
Kanye has never been lyrically nice to me. I've always thought he was average at best. Some lyrics were honest and full of emotion which helps but Kanye would never come near my top 20. He's had groups of writers. I'll always love MBDTF but he's one of the most overrated rappers ever.
I liked Mac Boney on most of his tracks. He has a great track presence.
Where are any of those artist right now?
Like I said Wayne would not have flourished under Jay
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Compilation album but he is on the cover in all his glory. Not saying that he shouldn't be but come on lets be serious he is about himself.
Bleek has three platinum albums
Beans has a couple of gold
Neither were going to have a long sustained career. Beans, mainly due to himself. Instead of being Jada or Fab, he became DMX for a minute.
If you have your own hunger and talent Jay wouldn't have stopped them, as proven by Rihanna and Kanye. That goes for almost every artist. Was Banks held back by 50? We know Buck was
And does it matter who is on the front of the album or is it the look and opportunity that matters?
And considering the position that Wayne is in now fighting for money with Birdman, he became a bigger star with little to show for it.
Chopped & screwed hook era :x Never hated hip hop more :x Thank the lord for the interwebz :x
We lowkey back in 03-04 now with that nae nae & quan bs
Nae Nae and hit the Quan are for kids. Made by kids. Damn man, kids can't have some fun too? .
All the kids love those songs. That's like denying Disney movies or something to Kids .
Wayne didn't put Drake or Nicki on. Both were the biggest new artist rap had seen since probably 50 from their mixtapes. They had a bidding war with all the majors, but they wanted to get with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Wayne wanted to get with groupies and drink lean, he wasn't the reason Drake and Nicki blew up. Once they got past their first albums, they became their own entities anyway. Which is why I thought neither of them should have even signed with a major, because they were that popular without one.
Gucci is definitely responsible for Nicki. She was all in the Bricks video YM just threw Lady Gaga wigs and costumes on her to gain more appeal
What exactly is ghost writing. To what extent are rappers saying things that isnt their own material. I mean are these artists you are referring to having a whole song written out like Jayz did for Dre? Or consulting and bouncing ideas?A lot of dudes get passes for having writers evidently. Let's not just bash kanye.
Wayne's delivery is what made him. He had some slick lines here and there but for the most part he said a whole lot of nothing. The way he said it is what made him stand out.
Nah man, dude was actually rappin rappin. Subject matter is subjective. What Wayne lacked for in "depth"....he made up for in lyrical ability. Like technical rapping. I don't recognize the man after '07. Dead to me.
Wayne had a better renegade verse than Jay-Z and Eminmen .
Wayne from 01-07 is arguably top 5-top 10 all time. Legend.
Somebody comes in writes u a hook, writes the melody of a track, or the dre thing. Somebody come in the room with an idea to make a song about Jesus and u come up with Jesus walks is cool. But if u take a rhymefest song and add a couple things its ghostwriting. Qm writing running thru the 6 is ghostwriting, nobody raps the verses, the hook and melody is what bring appeal to the song.What exactly is ghost writing. To what extent are rappers saying things that isnt their own material. I mean are these artists you are referring to having a whole song written out like Jayz did for Dre? Or consulting and bouncing ideas?
Yo yall let this S!!! ride !?!?!?!