Official Ask A Logical Religious Person Thread. vol. Ask me anything.

[torgriffith]

Ya'll should read all the missing books of the bible. They will fill in the gaps. Most of what people are debating over in this thread is exactly the type of debates that went on in biblical times. The manifestation of the son of God came to clear up misconceptions for it was proof to the blind material world. The manifolds and multidimensions ( many houses in the kingdom) are hidden from each other. That's why all religions pray amen( let the hidden creator remain hidden). We are talking about a perfected soul that came to earth and became the son of man (via birth and experience/ trials) in a material form which is not the total perfected image. To really understand, you must first acknowledge the thought forms that exist outside of petty logic and reason for they are faculties of a human existence.

And Adam man was created within time. Not before this time existed this time around. Adam and Eve were not the first to ever live.

 

[air ih zona]

So if someone, worthy of entering the eternal paradise or whatever you call it, gets shot in the face and dies, is he going in there with a hole in his head or what? Or is it that just our "souls" enter heaven? How is it even paradise or heaven if we're just some soul..
And why aren't you even answering!!

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Ya'll should read all the missing books of the bible. They will fill in the gaps. Most of what people are debating over in this thread is exactly the type of debates that went on in biblical times. The manifestation of the son of God came to clear up misconceptions for it was proof to the blind material world. The manifolds and multidimensions ( many houses in the kingdom) are hidden from each other. That's why all religions pray amen( let the hidden creator remain hidden). We are talking about a perfected soul that came to earth and became the son of man (via birth and experience/ trials) in a material form which is not the total perfected image. To really understand, you must first acknowledge the thought forms that exist outside of petty logic and reason for they are faculties of a human existence.

And Adam man was created within time. Not before this time existed this time around. Adam and Eve were not the first to ever live.

Alright, logic aside....why should I believe this religion and not others? I still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer for this. Say I decide to accept blind faith, which one should I accept?

I assume you're Christian, tell me why should I choose your God over the thousands of other deities some of which are no longer relevant.

 

[torgriffith]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Ya'll should read all the missing books of the bible. They will fill in the gaps. Most of what people are debating over in this thread is exactly the type of debates that went on in biblical times. The manifestation of the son of God came to clear up misconceptions for it was proof to the blind material world. The manifolds and multidimensions ( many houses in the kingdom) are hidden from each other. That's why all religions pray amen( let the hidden creator remain hidden). We are talking about a perfected soul that came to earth and became the son of man (via birth and experience/ trials) in a material form which is not the total perfected image. To really understand, you must first acknowledge the thought forms that exist outside of petty logic and reason for they are faculties of a human existence.

And Adam man was created within time. Not before this time existed this time around. Adam and Eve were not the first to ever live.

Alright, logic aside....why should I believe this religion and not others? I still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer for this. Say I decide to accept blind faith, which one should I accept?

I assume you're Christian, tell me why should I choose your God over the thousands of other deities some of which are no longer relevant.

 We are apart of the body of God and so are they. Just because our world is passing thru the sphincter doesn't mean we discredit creation because we are not aware of our relative positions.  I am a spiritual Christian. I see all religions as institutional monopolies. (Mono=1, Poly=Many). All talking about the same thing from different angles of the world.  The choice is yours, not mine when it comes to picking a diety for you. People ego's will tell you what and how to believe. You as an individual seeker of truth will find your own.  One who seeks with an open heart and a mind willing to learn and realize that at any age you still can be taught will find truth. But your truth is your truth. I'm not in your body looking thru your eyes. Your perception creates what's reality for you. It's up to you whether you cloud, or clear your own perception.  
IMO, blind faith is what's wrong with the world today. People have the tools to educate themselves yet they allow that old windows 95 programming to run their life rather then be led like Book of Eli. 

 

[zerogravity23]

Originally Posted by gambit215

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

I’m not talking about what evil humans do to others, that could be explained as a misuse of our free will. I’m talking about diseases and genetic birth defects especially as they afflict children, that have nothing to do with free will...... plain and simple.

Diseases are caused by nature, we screw Nature, God did not put anything on Earth to purposefully cause harm to us....plain and simple...

Universe has been around for BILLIONS of years..................some of you think God is a magic genie that conjures up bad things for people at the snap of a finger....

P.S.   please show the Creator some respect and press shift when you have the audacity to type about him

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

 

[jackiechizzan]

so was it god or al gore that created the internetz?

 

[heavily weighted]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

gambit215 wrote:

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

How do we know god is a man? Or a woman? God could be a chimp for all I know.

 

[gambit215]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

-Like I said genius the universe has been around for BILLIONS of years, everything on this planet has evolved from something else, I really dont follow you on this point. God has created everything within the universe and gives it the FREE WILL to thrive upon itself. No rational human being believes God is a man, we refer to HIM as a basis for man to identify with , but I have faith that God is a moral deity, I do not believe that morality is independent from God. I do not look down on non-believers but I wish most of you had some kind of basis instead of being either angry at Him or just think you are better than everyone else.


I understand you are a misguided young man, but you dont have to be a moron. If you dont believe in God, fine thats for you and Him to work out on your day of redemption, but dont act like you are better than people who do believe.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by gambit215

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

-Like I said genius the universe has been around for BILLIONS of years, everything on this planet has evolved from something else, I really dont follow you on this point. God has created everything within the universe and gives it the FREE WILL to thrive upon itself. No rational human being believes God is a man, we refer to HIM as a basis for man to identify with , but I have faith that God is a moral deity, I do not believe that morality is independent from God. I do not look down on non-believers but I wish most of you had some kind of basis instead of being either angry at Him or just think you are better than everyone else.


I understand you are a misguided young man, but you dont have to be a moron. If you dont believe in God, fine thats for you and Him to work out on your day of redemption, but dont act like you are better than people who do believe.

A lot of what is being said in this thread are people essentially making stuff up as they go to suit their arguments. This whole notion of free will, universe being billions of years old etc. All goes against what is said in the bible. (I assume you're Christian).

With that being said, plenty of people in this thread claim to be Christian but do not have typical Christian ideals at all. It does not say anywhere in the bible that God created the universe billions and billions of years ago, and kinda let things evolve. The bible (Genesis) explicitly says God created the moon, stars, animals, Man and Woman. Human beings did not exists billions of years ago.


If you want to make your own religion, that's fine but don't try to pass what you just said as Judeochristian teachings.

 

[gambit215]

See thats the problem with all you nonbelievers, you try to back all Christians in a corner like we are all mindless bible followers........... Look I have been raised Catholic my whole life...I do not refer to the Bible as a history book... I am pro-choice and I DO NOT believe in Creationism...... Religions are used as a mean to control and divide, and I dont know what "typical Christians ideals" are but if you mean Jesus......well guilty as charged...Not all Christians are in the dark as to how and when the Universe is created......... I believe that there is a powerful force of energy (Some of us call God) that makes this all possible.........


And I dont know if any of you will get this but you cant outsmart God..............man will never be able to prove/disprove God, but at the same time your logic is irrelevant as to why you "think" He does not exist.................

 

[zerogravity23]

Originally Posted by gambit215

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

-Like I said genius the universe has been around for BILLIONS of years, everything on this planet has evolved from something else, I really dont follow you on this point. God has created everything within the universe and gives it the FREE WILL to thrive upon itself. No rational human being believes God is a man, we refer to HIM as a basis for man to identify with , but I have faith that God is a moral deity, I do not believe that morality is independent from God. I do not look down on non-believers but I wish most of you had some kind of basis instead of being either angry at Him or just think you are better than everyone else.


I understand you are a misguided young man, but you dont have to be a moron. If you dont believe in God, fine thats for you and Him to work out on your day of redemption, but dont act like you are better than people who do believe.

oh so now im a moron... lol. the same person who believe "God" has created everything...

what exactly is a "God". what is he made up of?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by gambit215

See thats the problem with all you nonbelievers, you try to back all Christians in a corner like we are all mindless bible followers........... Look I have been raised Catholic my whole life...I do not refer to the Bible as a history book... I am pro-choice and I DO NOT believe in Creationism...... Religions are used as a mean to control and divide, and I dont know what "typical Christians ideals" are but if you mean Jesus......well guilty as charged...Not all Christians are in the dark as to how and when the Universe is created......... I believe that there is a powerful force of energy (Some of us call God) that makes this all possible.........


And I dont know if any of you will get this but you cant outsmart God..............man will never be able to prove/disprove God, but at the same time your logic is irrelevant as to why you "think" He does not exist.................

You're a religious person who thinks for himself, can't hate on that I guess. The feeling I'm getting is you're essentially as spiritual/ agnostic who chooses to label himself as Christian. You could just as easily live your life with your ideals and not need to be a part of a religion....just saying.

 

[torgriffith]

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

Nature does not create isolated diseases like your written logic is leading me to think.  Diseases are products of imbalances in nature. Disease is Dis- ease. You are not at ease when you are diseased. When you look at the bible and mythology period, God's wrath is projected thru forces of nature. In Khemit (Egypt) God is referred to as a NETJER (nature). Written out as Medtu Netjer (mother nature concept).  What people looked at as idol worship was scientific understanding of keeping the forces of nature in balance for growth and prosperity.  The world we are currently in worships imbalance, chaos, stagnation, set ups, which was also a force NETJER called Seth. Christianity would call this aspect Satan. Opposite polarity of Ausar, C. Asaur, Ceasar, Astar, Eshu, Zeus, Chi Zeus, ...  Read before you use rhetoric my friend. 

 

[gambit215]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

You're a religious person who thinks for himself, can't hate on that I guess. The feeling I'm getting is you're essentially as spiritual/ agnostic who chooses to label himself as Christian. You could just as easily live your life with your ideals and not need to be a part of a religion....just saying.

I feel what you sayin and Im pretty sure that there are people like that, but at the same time I believe that I have to answer to someone for my actions when I expire......Its easy to dismiss God and believe that you fade into nothingness when you die....but there is an afterlife and I believe everyone has a soul. I think its too convenient that we are all alive able to roam this earth the way we do outta shear chance and I mean there are other animals who we do not have a fighting chance against but yet we were given thumbs which enabled us to build tools and so on..... just think it was all destined....

BTW... I believe in Jesus

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by gambit215

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

You're a religious person who thinks for himself, can't hate on that I guess. The feeling I'm getting is you're essentially as spiritual/ agnostic who chooses to label himself as Christian. You could just as easily live your life with your ideals and not need to be a part of a religion....just saying.

I feel what you sayin and Im pretty sure that there are people like that, but at the same time I believe that I have to answer to someone for my actions when I expire......Its easy to dismiss God and believe that you fade into nothingness when you die....but there is an afterlife and I believe everyone has a soul. I think its too convenient that we are all alive able to roam this earth the way we do outta shear chance and I mean there are other animals who we do not have a fighting chance against but yet we were given thumbs which enabled us to build tools and so on..... just think it was all destined....

BTW... I believe in Jesus

-BDW fading into nothingness>>>>>>>>eternity...I think I already stressed this earlier. Living forever is never a good look, maybe for the first 400 years but boredom will get you eventually.


-You seem to be open to earth's scientific history. What are your thoughts on man not even being the first hominid on the planet. What's your take on Neanderthals and other hominids that preceded modern humans?

• %%%# rudolfensis†
• %%%# ergaster†
• %%%# georgicus†
• %%%# erectus†
• %%%# cepranensis†
• %%%# antecessor†
• %%%# heidelbergensis†
• %%%# rhodesiensis†
• %%%# neanderthalensis†
• %%%# sapiens

 

[nighthawk9421]

whats the reason behind the not eating pork, and why is it ok to eat it now? my little sister is confused and wanna explain this to her.

 

[Jordan8]

I wonder if computers ask themselves about their creators and if so can they even rationalize or "think" logically about the thought process of something that created their logic

 

[zerogravity23]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

Nature does not create isolated diseases like your written logic is leading me to think.  Diseases are products of imbalances in nature. Disease is Dis- ease. You are not at ease when you are diseased. When you look at the bible and mythology period, God's wrath is projected thru forces of nature. In Khemit (Egypt) God is referred to as a NETJER (nature). Written out as Medtu Netjer (mother nature concept).  What people looked at as idol worship was scientific understanding of keeping the forces of nature in balance for growth and prosperity.  The world we are currently in worships imbalance, chaos, stagnation, set ups, which was also a force NETJER called Seth. Christianity would call this aspect Satan. Opposite polarity of Ausar, C. Asaur, Ceasar, Astar, Eshu, Zeus...  Read before you use rhetoric my friend. 


if god created everything, that can also be interpreted as god controls everything. so then god can control evolution? disease/virus/bateria is constantly changing. so it be said, God picks and choose what will change and what will not simply of the basis that he created everything?

God admits that he has committed evil in the bible, why worship someone who commits evil? how is he different from Satan?

 

[antonlavey]

Someone already asked this I think, but I wasn't satisfied with the answer either?


What happens to cultures/ peoples that are oblivious to YOUR God? This is getting complicated cause I want to be sensitive of everyone's specific religions but I'm forced to use Christianity as an example.


Do people who preceded Christianity (Ancient African/ Asian civilizations) and isolated tribal people who are oblivious to Christianity....what happens to them?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by nighthawk9421

whats the reason behind the not eating pork, and why is it ok to eat it now? my little sister is confused and wanna explain this to her.

Pork is filthy and people were getting sick back then so laws against it were incorporated into religious law. In those times religion was the law of the land, it was a method of controlling people. (I feel like i'm stating the obvious).

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

In those times religion was the law of the land, it was a method of controlling people. (I feel like i'm stating the obvious).

In those times, you say?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

In those times religion was the law of the land, it was a method of controlling people. (I feel like i'm stating the obvious).

In those times, you say?

Yes, in ancient times.....leadership and law was ordained from God.

 

[torgriffith]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

Originally Posted by torgriffith

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

Nature does not create isolated diseases like your written logic is leading me to think.  Diseases are products of imbalances in nature. Disease is Dis- ease. You are not at ease when you are diseased. When you look at the bible and mythology period, God's wrath is projected thru forces of nature. In Khemit (Egypt) God is referred to as a NETJER (nature). Written out as Medtu Netjer (mother nature concept).  What people looked at as idol worship was scientific understanding of keeping the forces of nature in balance for growth and prosperity.  The world we are currently in worships imbalance, chaos, stagnation, set ups, which was also a force NETJER called Seth. Christianity would call this aspect Satan. Opposite polarity of Ausar, C. Asaur, Ceasar, Astar, Eshu, Zeus...  Read before you use rhetoric my friend. 

if god created everything, that can also be interpreted as god controls everything. so then god can control evolution? disease/virus/bateria is constantly changing. so it be said, God picks and choose what will change and what will not simply of the basis that he created everything?

God admits that he has committed evil in the bible, why worship someone who commits evil? how is he different from Satan?


That's the point my man

. Think about what you said. Everybody has a job in God's corporate structure.  This hell we are in is the decision ground for were we are going to work based on our bonded performance. Some people gonna work, some gonna be lazy, some want a hostile takeover, some want unemployment benefits, some will bring chaos, and some won't work in the illusion of allowing their laziness to become who they are.  How you go about the application process is for u to decide. God's will has been made. We are needed to make that will manifest in this material world. Some realize this early on, some get beat up by life to take this route, and the masses continue to do as they will as if that were the whole of the law.

 

[optimusprimeaphia]

 

[zerogravity23]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

Originally Posted by torgriffith

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity23

-if diseases are caused by nature, it's safe to say that god isn't the creator of all things, if god makes something it should be obsolete...right? not have the capability to change, where's the logical in that mr. god.

-you say god didn't purposefully cause harm on us, how can you verify that that was truly his message, though.

-creator? isn't it a bit ridiculous to believe that one man is responsible for the creation of all things? lulz.

Nature does not create isolated diseases like your written logic is leading me to think.  Diseases are products of imbalances in nature. Disease is Dis- ease. You are not at ease when you are diseased. When you look at the bible and mythology period, God's wrath is projected thru forces of nature. In Khemit (Egypt) God is referred to as a NETJER (nature). Written out as Medtu Netjer (mother nature concept). What people looked at as idol worship was scientific understanding of keeping the forces of nature in balance for growth and prosperity. The world we are currently in worships imbalance, chaos, stagnation, set ups, which was also a force NETJER called Seth. Christianity would call this aspect Satan. Opposite polarity of Ausar, C. Asaur, Ceasar, Astar, Eshu, Zeus... Read before you userhetoricmy friend.

if god created everything, that can also be interpreted as god controls everything. so then god can control evolution? disease/virus/bateria is constantly changing. so it be said, God picks and choose what will change and what will not simply of the basis that he created everything?

God admits that he has committed evil in the bible, why worship someone who commits evil? how is he different from Satan?

That's the point my man

. Think about what you said. Everybody has a job in God'scorporate structure. This hell we are in is thedecision ground for were we are going to work based on our bonded performance. Some people gonna work, some gonna be lazy, some want a hostile takeover, some want unemployment benefits, some will bring chaos, and some won't work in the illusion of allowing their laziness to become who they are. How you go about the application processis for u to decide. God's will has been made. We are needed to make that will manifest in this material world. Some realize this early on, some get beat up by life to take this route, and the masses continue to do as they will as if that were the whole of the law.