Offical 2009-10 NBA Season Thread

[CP1708]

Oh and the Miami Hurricanes had 57 great players on their team, the Cavs aren't exactly the Miami Hurricanes in terms of depth. But whatever. Queen Jamescan do anything and you'll cover it up like Area 51. You and Belle go to the party last night?

 

[al3xis]

No, you just have horribly flawed logic from time to time.

You're gona use proof of pre-game activities to support a claim that they don't care enough. LOL.

Danny Green was part of the UNC team last year that danced before every game, they didn't care enough....all the way to a National Title.

And he continues to dance with the Cavs.

Basketball and Basketball the same?


Yeah the Cavs DONT HAVE ALL THE TALENT in the world. that is my point, that is there flaw...NOT that they dance.

* do you think I WANT the Cavs to win this year? It's the last thing I want to see. But yall take it to the extreme, they are on the best 4 teams in theleague, and a title contender.

 

[metrokid26]

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

Originally Posted by DLo13

These clowns brought out birthday hats and !#@% for their pre-game "picture."

I love the cavs

Where's JJ's hat though??

 

[chester the cheetah]

I love this thread.

 

[eneyekayee]

Allen made a great point that CP can't defend.

CP, for as much as Allen sticks up for Bron, you hate on the Cavs even more. So it's basically a moot point. *shrugs*

 

[proshares]

Anywho:

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[h3]Does Grunfeld want to make a trade?[/h3]
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[h5]Washington Wizards[/h5]
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Wizards president Ernie Grunfeld would not talk about trade rumors Wednesday, but he did say, "It depends on how things go and what opportunities present themselves," when asked by The Washington Post if he wanted to make a trade.

"We're disappointed with the losing and the lack of consistency," Grunfeld said. "Nobody is happy. It's going to be up to the players and all of us to pull together. It's up to the team to change the way we play. We have not done that."

A source tells the newspaper that no player is untouchable.

http:// [h3]Sheed says ref talk won't stop[/h3]
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[h5]Rasheed Wallace | Celtics[/h5]
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Rasheed Wallace was told he should watch his critical statements towards referees, but he says he won't stop. He also plans on buying Tim Donaghy's book.

"Either way they're going to get me," Wallace told the Boston Herald. "If I don't say nothing I'm going to get fined, and if I say something I'm going to get fined. So I might as well say something about what's on my mind, what I want to say. They're going to hit me up either way. I've been through that before in Portland. When I wasn't talking to the media they were fining me. But then when I did talk to the media they didn't like what I had to say, so they fined me some more. So I was like, 'Well, (expletive), if you're going to fine me I might as well say what the hell I want to say.' "

http:// [h3]Lack of practice time hurting Nelson?[/h3]
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[h5]Jameer Nelson | Magic[/h5]
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Jameer Nelson has struggled since he came back from a knee injury. Magic head coach Stan Van Gundy tells ESPN.com's J.A. Adande that the lack of practice time is hurting Nelson.

"We're going to have to go back and evaluate where we are with Jameer," Van Gundy said. "There's medical concerns and people don't want him to get reinjured.

"I understand that we're trying to protect him. We've got to somehow find a balance. If he's not going to practice and we're going to use games like practice, I don't know how valuable that's going to be. Four days off and they don't want him doing anything in practice, that makes it very, very hard."

http:// [h3]T-Mac to Knicks possible?[/h3]
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[h5]New York Knicks[/h5]
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The Rockets plan to talk with most of the teams regarding Tracy McGrady. The Knicks are definitely interested in him, however a trade could be difficult. The best chance for McGrady to become a Knicks is if he can agree to a buyout with the Rockets.

"This could take a while," a source tells the New York Post. "The Rockets want to talk to a lot of teams."

Arn Tellem, McGrady's agent, says his client is healthy, willing and able.

"Tracy is now healthy and is looking forward to contributing to a team this season," Tellem stated in an e-mail. "He is an incredible talent and a relentless competitor. Any team will be most fortunate to have him."

http:// [h3]Chandler out another week[/h3]
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[h5]Tyson Chandler | Bobcats[/h5]
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Bobcats center Tyson Chandler was still on crutches Thursday and told The Charlotte Observer he expects to be out at least another week dealing with the stress reaction in his left foot.

He said he'll need a couple of practices to test the pain he's feeling and that will tell him when he's ready to play.

http:// [h3]Martin improving, rehab will continue[/h3]
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[h5]Kevin Martin | Kings[/h5]
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The Sacramento Bee reports the latest CT scan showed more improvement of the navicular bone in Kevin Martin's left wrist, but there is still no date when he'll play.

Martin told the newspaper he's taking more steps toward returning to the floor.

"Splint is off," Martin said. "Just rehab to work on range of motion. So when that's good I'm good. I got cleared to do all basketball activities without contact until my motion is good. And I'm not putting any dates on anything."

http:// [h3]Does Bynum miss Rambis?[/h3]
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[h5]Andrew Bynum | Lakers[/h5]
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Andrew Bynum is in a funk. He has not had a double-double in the last 20 games, after starting the season with eight in his first nine games.

Lakers head coach Phil Jackson thinks the problem is Bynum is missing something, or someone.

"I think maybe Kurt Rambis being in Minnesota might have an effect because Kurt was working with him a lot more than Kareem the last year," Jackson told the Los Angeles Times. "I think Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had a big impact on Andrew two years ago, three years ago, but Kurt was working with him more hand in hand than Kareem this last year. Kareem hasn't been here in maybe three weeks. I don't know if they're that close in their communications."

http:// [h3]Randolph glad to be back home[/h3]
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[h5]Shavlik Randolph | Heat[/h5]
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The Blazers signed free agent forward Shavlik Randolph to a non-guaranteed contract Wednesday. He played with the team last season and said he was glad to be back home.

"It feels good to be back home," Randolph told The Columbian. "This became my home. Just the guys on the team became like my family. And I missed them even when I wasn't here."

http:// [h3]Serious work coming?[/h3]
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[h5]Reggie Evans | Raptors[/h5]
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From the Toronto Star:

"Reggie Evans seems closer to getting in some serious work. The injured Raptors big man said he got a clear MRI exam on his sprained left foot this week and is just waiting for official clearance from doctors before stepping up his rehab."

http:// [h3]Who doesn't want T-Mac?[/h3]
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[h5]Tracy McGrady | Rockets[/h5]
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The http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dethttp://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=detDetroit Pistons, according to the Detroit Free Press, won't pursue http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532Tracy McGrady because of what it will cost for a four month rental.

McGrady will be a free agent next summer.

Eddie Sefko writes in The Dallas Morning News: "Common sense would suggest that McGrady would be a difficult fit in Dallas. Never mind the problems in finding enough salaries that the Mavericks wouldn't mind losing and would add up to a matching figure with McGrady's whopping number. Equally difficult is finding a home for McGrady on the roster. The Mavericks love their tag team of Shawn Marion and Josh Howard on the wing. And their backcourt rotation of Jason Kidd, J.J. Barea and Jason Terry has been effective."

A source close to the situation tells The Philadelphia Inquirer, "nothing is happening" between Houston and Philadelphia, although the Sixers have contacted the Rockets about center Samuel Dalembert.

As of Wednesday morning, the Jazz were not believed to have made any inquiries about McGrady reports The Salt Lake Tribune.

http:// [h3]Billups' groin still hurting[/h3]
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[h5]Chauncey Billups | Nuggets[/h5]
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The Nuggets hoped Chauncey Billups would be able to play Saturday, but his groin is still hurting and his return might be pushed back.

"I don't know man, I really don't know, to be honest," Billips told The Denver Post when asked if he'll play Saturday.

"It doesn't hurt to walk around or even jog -- I feel good -- it's the cutting, trying to get by a defender," he said. "That's my problem most of the times."

http:// [h3]Do the 76ers need a PG?[/h3]
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[h5]Philadelphia 76ers[/h5]
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76ers head coach Eddie Jordan runs the Princeton offense, which was invented by Pete Carril. The former Princeton coach says the 76ers are missing a point guard who can run the offense.

"http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2799Lou Williams is a great player, but I think more of a slasher, a scorer," Carril told the Philadelphia Daily News. "He can become a point guard in that system, but it's very hard. Believe it or not, I think that the guy who can do it is http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=366Allen Iverson. I don't know if he wants to do it, but he's a great passer. What he does for Samuel Dalembert ... Take a look at the box score and when Iverson's in the game; Dalembert's in double figures. When Iverson's not in the game, his numbers go down."

http:// [h3]Rivers rests Garnett[/h3]
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[h5]Kevin Garnett | Celtics[/h5]
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Celtics head coach Doc Rivers decided to sit Kevin Garnett against the Suns Wednesday and he probably do the same thing Saturday against the Raptors.

Rivers is taking cautious approach after Garnett hyperextended his right knee.

"I just decided if I was debating it, the basketball gods were probably telling me 'you're right' and just go ahead with it," Rivers told the Boston Herald. "So we sat him down, and we've got to wait for it to heal. And we'll see how long that takes. You know, someone said, 'Are you being too cautious?' Probably. But I'd rather be safe than sorry."

http:// [h3]Budinger a week away[/h3]
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[h5]Chase Budinger | Rockets[/h5]
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From the Houston Chronicle:

"Rockets rookie guard Chase Budinger, out since he sprained his left ankle Dec. 19, did some light shooting at Wednesday's practice, but he's likely still at least a week from playing. ... There is a chance he could play as soon as Tuesday in Los Angeles, but the Rockets consider it more likely he would not return until after the Lakers-Phoenix back-to-back. The Rockets' next game would be Jan. 9 against the Knicks."

http:// [h3]Will Tucker play?[/h3]
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[h5]Alando Tucker | Timberwolves[/h5]
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The Timberwolves acquired Alando Tucker on Tuesday from the Suns. Does head coach Kurt Rambis plan on playing him?

"I told our players that if he plays better than one of you, whoever is playing better is going to play," Rambis told the Pioneer Press. "It all depends on how well he performs in practice (as to) whether he supplants some of the people in front of him.

"We're clogged and pretty deep at that position, but this gives us a free look at a guy picked high in the draft."

http:// [h3]Picks for cash?[/h3]
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The Minnesota Timberwolves now have four second-round picks in the 2010 NBA draft after the trade with the Phoenix Suns on Tuesday. David Kahn likes having as many picks as possible to add talent or to trade them for cash.

"It's changed so much," Kahn told the Star Tribune. "We have several teams in our league who value second-round picks incredibly high and are willing to spend a lot for them. I'm not suggesting for a moment that we will look to turn it into cash. But the league is a different place when it comes to second-round picks. Teams are willing to monetize now."

http:// [h3]Kuester, Villanueva have a good talk[/h3]
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[h5]Charlie Villanueva | Pistons[/h5]
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Charlie Villanueva met with head coach John Kuester for nearly 30 minutes after practice Wednesday to talk about the lack of minutes he's been getting.

Villanueva told The Detroit News they talked about "what I need to do, what I need to improve this team. I've been struggling the past couple of games. I missed some defensive assignments (Tuesday) and he took me out because of that. I understand it. You move on."

Kuester was pleased with the the meeting.

"Charlie is going to be a big part of our future and we need him to focus on some of the things that need to be done," Kuester said. "They don't come any better than Charlie as a person. We'll get it squared away."

[h2]Top 10 players of the decade[/h2] [h3]PER Diem: Dec. 31, 2009[/h3]
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Jeff Gross/Getty ImagesEnd-of-the-decade debate: Who was the NBA's best player over the past 10 years -- Kobe or Timmy?

We have one day left in the decade, and I've saved the best for last: Today I'm introducing my list of the 10 best players of the decade.

By "best," I mean the ones that did the most to put their teams in position to win games. Championships matter, obviously, but players aren't responsible for selecting their teammates (in most cases), so to me the building blocks of championships are just as important.

And by using these criteria, I should emphasize that it's different from "most famous," "most memorable" or "most entertaining." Allen Iverson, for instance, would easily crack the top five based on those criteria, but fell short of making this top 10. He won one fairly questionable MVP, his fame never matched his impact on the standings and his output faded late in the decade.

Finally, to be clear, we are measuring only what a player did from Jan. 1, 2000, to Dec. 31, 2009. Tim Duncan's championship in 1999, for instance, carries no weight here.

Besides Iverson, a few other notable players didn't make the list either, and along with Iverson I'll introduce them as my five-man honorable-mention team. Tracy McGrady had one of the best four-year runs in NBA history from 2001 to 2005, but his body couldn't shoulder such a load in the latter half of the decade. Ditto for Chris Webber, who might be much higher on the list had he not wrecked his knee in the 2003 playoffs. Manu Ginobili's accomplishments overseas (a Euroleague title, a gold medal and a world championship stolen by bad refs and a bad ankle) augment a fairly strong half-decade in the NBA, but don't quite push him into the top 10.

Finally, Jason Kidd, for all his defensive impact, was a far less potent offensive player than his fans would prefer to admit. He never cracked the top 10 in player efficiency rating, and only once did he even come close. (Ironically, that was not the year he finished second in the MVP voting, but the year after. He blew away all his career highs in the most important categories, led his team to the Finals and finished ninth in the MVP race. I don't get award voting sometimes.).

With that said, let's introduce my top 10 players of the decade:

Pierce​

[h3]10. Paul Pierce[/h3]He didn't have the blow-up years players like McGrady, Vince Carter or Gilbert Arenas did, but he was phenomenally consistent and durable. Pierce kept his PER in the 20 range all decade, was a much better defender than most high-scoring wings and, of course, was the MVP of the 2008 NBA Finals.
He never made first-team All-NBA and never should have, but his body of work across the entire decade puts him on this list.

Wade​

[h3]9. Dwyane Wade[/h3]You can make a strong argument for ranking Wade higher given his two historic performances, the first coming in the 2006 Finals (which I've argued was the best Finals effort in history) and the second coming with his brilliant play in 2008-09. But major gaps litter his record: a pair of 51-game seasons due to injuries and a brief résumé before 2006.
On a 2005-2014 All-Decade team five years from now he'd probably crack the top three or four, but on this list his body of work is too limited to rate higher than ninth.

Billups​

[h3]8. Chauncey Billups[/h3]The only player on this list to make seven straight conference finals, Billups wasn't a bit player on any of those teams; he consistently posted PERs in the low 20s and added solid defense at the point. In terms of hardware, he won the 2004 Finals MVP, and would have taken home a second if Detroit had hung on to a second-half lead in Game 7 of the 2005 Finals against San Antonio.
Billups also started for eight straight 50-win teams, including one in Minnesota. While he failed to garner the same appreciation his contemporaries did this decade -- just four All-Star teams and three All-NBA teams -- only one player has a stronger case as point guard of the decade.

Nash​

[h3]7. Steve Nash[/h3]While I'm dubious about Nash's two MVP awards, one can't deny he's one of the best offensive players in history. He never won the big prize this decade, but his teams went to three conference finals in a difficult Western Conference. And despite his perceived frailty he also proved durable, playing at least 70 games in every full season this decade.
Nash's strongest case, however, lies in the dazzling offensive efficiency numbers his teams posted. While he never lacked for help, his teams led the league an amazing eight times. Most notably, his 2003-04 Dallas team was the best offense in history.

James​

[h3]6. LeBron James[/h3]LeBron has two principal shortcomings that keep him out of the top five on this list. The first, the lack of a championship ring, is likely to be remedied at some point in the next several years. The second, however, is that his track record is half a decade shorter than the other guys'.
While James' 2008-09 regular season included the best PER ever by a player not named Jordan and marked his second straight season leading the league, he had only three MVP-contender seasons and two others that were All-NBA worthy. That pales beside the players above him on this list, so he'll have to settle for sixth.

Nowitzki​

[h3]5. Dirk Nowitzki[/h3]Nowitzki's résumé lacks only an NBA title for validation; the Dwyane Wade Show in 2006 and a knee injury in 2003 eliminated his best chances. (Side note: Don't forget that fadeaway he hit over Shaq in Game 5 in Miami before the foul call on Wade). Otherwise, he won one MVP award and had three other seasons that were MVP-caliber. He also made the All-NBA team nine years despite a surplus of quality players at his position.
Additionally, Nowitzki's teams won at least 50 games every full season this decade, capped by 67 in 2006-07; that's a feat only Tim Duncan can match.

O'Neal​

[h3]4. Shaquille O'Neal[/h3]I have some misgivings about putting him this low because of his astronomic peak value: For the first three years of the decade, he was one of the three greatest players in history. The rest of his decade, however, wasn't nearly as impressive.
He won another championship and made four more All-NBA first teams, but he wasn't as durable (missing at least 15 games six different times) or as consistent (loafing through his last year and a half in Miami) as the other players on this list. He should have been first, in other words, but I can't put him higher than fourth.

Bryant​

[h3]3. Kobe Bryant[/h3]Bryant is unquestionably the most memorable player of this decade, not to mention the most watchable. He's not the best, though. He won one MVP award and four rings, but was only the lead dog on one of the championship teams, and in terms of PER he has more in common with Nowitzki than the other players in the top five.
Though it's been common to hear people say he's the best player in the league, thumb through his résumé and it's hard to pinpoint a single season in which you could prove that was true. Subjectively, one can also say he didn't understand how to constructively channel his insatiable competitiveness until the final two or three years of the decade.

That he outranks Shaq and all but two other players is a testament to his consistency -- including seven top-5 MVP finishes -- and tenacity. Few star guards have defended better, especially in big moments. He made the All-Defense team every year but one.

Garnett​

[h3]2. Kevin Garnett[/h3]Unfairly lampooned for not leading a deeply flawed Minnesota team past the likes of L.A. and San Antonio, Garnett showed what he can do with some better help around him after he was traded to Boston. He led the league in PER in back-to-back seasons in Minnesota, but didn't get a single MVP vote the second year because his supporting cast was so bad.
In Boston, he proved his defensive dominance by leading one of the greatest defensive teams in history to a title. He made the All-Defense team every year of the decade, was a first-team pick eight times and won the defensive player of the year award in 2008; had he been traded to Boston a few years earlier he probably would have won the award a few more times.

Since I presume I'll need to defend this ranking to the larger world, I'll add two more facts. First, it will no doubt shock readers to learn that Garnett's career playoff PER is better than Bryant's and, in fact, ranks in the top 10 in post-merger history; his primary shortcoming in Minnesota wasn't a lack of mettle in the clutch, it was that he couldn't fire Kevin McHale. Second, recall that the one time this decade Garnett and Bryant met as the alpha males on their respective teams, Garnett's side rolled.

Duncan​

[h3]1. Tim Duncan[/h3]Perhaps the unsexiest superstar in league history, Duncan proved monotonously, predictably, devastatingly effective while earning two MVPs, three championships, seven first-team All-NBA selections, seven first-team All-Defense nods, and seven top-5 MVP finishes. He won at least 53 games every year of the decade, and no player this decade won a title with anywhere near as little help as he had in 2003; only one teammate averaged more than a dozen points, 20-year-old Tony Parker at 15.5.
Duncan didn't have any stratospheric seasons, but he consistently played at an MVP level the entire decade. For several players above I recounted how many MVP-contender seasons they had; in Duncan's case, it was all of them. Nobody writes flowing prose about him because of how he played, but there's only one choice for Player of the Decade.

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[h3]A couple more All-Decade awards[/h3]

Coach of the Decade: (tie) Gregg Popovich and Phil Jackson

Rookie of the Decade: Chris Paul, 2005-06

Sixth Man of the Decade: Manu Ginobili

Defensive Player of the Decade: Ben Wallace

Decade All-Defensive Team:
C: Wallace
PF (tie): Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett
SF: Ron Artest
SG: Bruce Bowen
PG: Jason Kidd

 

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[westcoastsfinest]

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The Celtics got dominated from start to finish. Pretty much what I expected without KG and Pierce, and Rondo not at 100%.

What I didn't expect was for Channing Frye to get 26 & 10.
dont worry bro...championship teams like us and you guys seem to struggle in december...december is the month for teams like thecavs and the suns

 

[al3xis]

and for the record, i never had anything to say about his dancing to begin with...or not shaking hands or how he has handled his Free Agency in the media, oranything not related to LeBron the basketball player.

I'm indifferent to it all.

Win and he's backed everything up, lose and he comes out looking a fool.

 

[CP1708]

We had this exact discussion in the Lakers thread last year.

I said the Cavs were gonna get beat in the postseason, they are a bunch of clowns foolin around all the time, they won't win.

Ska and co told me I was dumb and foolish.

I told them to name me an NBA team that acted like a bunch of idiots all year and still won. Then I listed all the champs back into the 1970's for Christsakes. They couldn't pick out one of them. Every team was about business. I pointed out how Shaq was a damn clown his first 10 years of ball, in collegeand the NBA. Then Phil came in and actually MADE him work and all of a sudden, Shaq was a winner. (still a goof, but at least he was serious now

)

The Magic came to town, and all the pictures and joking around and full court practice shots stopped. All of a sudden they were tryin to be business. Andwhat happened? They got boatraced.

And all I see and hear is how none of it is Bron's fault. It's like it's not even allowed. It's ALL someone else's fault, not Bron. Noooooooooo, not even slightly.

If Allen recalls, I said last year that there is no guarantee that Bron EVER wins a title. He laughed at that too. If they get beat yet again this year byeither Boston or Orlando, and maybe he goes to another team, one that isn't even near as close as the Cavs are.......then what?

But we can all just pretend that none of this is true. It's ALL just hate from me. Much like how I say things about the Blazers, and none of that ever istrue either.

It's ok guys, I'll be waiting for you when the time comes. Can't wait for that day.

 

[halfwaycrook]

Well, Im not writing them off totally because they can still make a deal to help them out. But with this team, I don't think they'll beat Boston,Orlando, LA in 7 games.

Because once playoffs start, it'll be Lebron vs everyone else again. Nothing is going to change. Sure they'll get past the 1st round or so but therenot getting out of the east.

 

[proshares]

Just a general question but why aren't they beating Orlando in 7?

 

[al3xis]

What's worse;

dancing pre-game.

Or gambling in Atlantic City until the morning hours before an ECF finals game?

The celtics out side of Bird, were marijuana smoking, beer drinking clowns.


Just cause they didn't have a national platform to act like clowns doesn't mean they were all business, 365, 24/7.

 

[chester the cheetah]

Originally Posted by Proshares

Just a general question but why aren't they beating Orlando in 7?

Because Mo Williams will once again realize who the hell he really is and %$*% the bed.

 

[eneyekayee]

If the CAVS win the title this year, it will be the funniest thing I've ever seen on the internet (I know it's a pretty big "IF").S&T's comedy will be at an all time high.

I made a comment about the only way we will win it all a few weeks back in here. And I'm starting to change my tune just a little bit. The "powermoves" (this is the first time I've ever used that phrase) seem to be paying dividends and we are playing better basketball than any team in theleague right now...(I know it's still very early, but we are definitely showing signs that a LeBron lead team has NEVER shown).

 

[CP1708]

^ The team playing the best ball of the league loses at home last night if OC wasn't running the shot clock, so.......

 

[proshares]

Not even trying to say anything good about Mo so I'll leave that alone

 

[al3xis]

The Cavs need the 1-4 seeds to remain how they are right now to advance out of the East.


Let Boston knock out Orlando and have home court against Boston.

 

[CP1708]

As Crook's said, in the postseason it's going to be Lebron vs everybody else. And those other teams will have prep time to focus and let Bron go offas he always does, but stop all the other scrubs from doing anything.

I'm sorry, but I don't worry about 38 year old Shaq, Z, Mo, Moon, Parker, and Floppy V beating me in a 7 game series. And add to that Mike Brown beingtheir coach.

Just look at those names and tell me that list just screams championship to anyone.

We all know the Pistons were the most balanced team to ever win a title. They are the one team in 30 plus years that didn't have multiple top shelf typeguys to win a title. You see this Cavs team being the same? This Cavs team is all that different from last year's team? Really? Ok.

Like I have said, if I'm wrong, no biggie, I'm wrong and I'll come in here and give props where it's due, no problem there, but I don'tworry about them at all yet. My top 3 remain unchanged, flaws and all.

 

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Originally Posted by CP1708

^ The team playing the best ball of the league loses at home last night if OC wasn't running the shot clock, so.......

No guarantee they make a bucket bright guy.


Too bad the Hawks are dummies and rushed a shot off instead of a) letting it run out or b) going to an official and notifying them about it


Bibby and Smith ran the offense

talk about knowing time and situation

 

[al3xis]

It's all going to be a moot point, because nobody is beating LA.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by Al3xis

It's all going to be a moot point, because nobody is beating LA.

unless we play the bobcats

 

[bigmike23]

allen you a full time cavs fan now?

 

[al3xis]

Yeah, because I don't think dancing has an impact on how they play basketball.

I criticize that franchise as much, if not more, than I defend that team.

They're not as good as Cavs fans think and they have squandered away the past couple years but, they're not as bad as the detractors say.

 

[mytoasterspeak]

CP you nothing but a hater. If you dislike the Cavs so much, stop going in Cavs threads, and stop watching their games. Cavs are a fun and entertaing team thatenjoy each other, thats why they do silly things, and have fun during games, and if other teams dont like, then put them in a bad mood. Their silly ways haveno impact on how they perform on the court, none. So stop equating the two. They have fun and play at a high level, especially lately, and if you as abasketball fan can not appreciate that, then maybe you should pick a new sport to follow. But you really need to get off cleveland back