NT Caucasians....How Do You Feel About Slavery?

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa



Go and do something about it.
Go and become a billionaire so you can help your community out.

We'll get right on it....don't know why we never thought of this before.

If only we knew that turning ourselves into billionaires would help out of problems...man, these situations would have been over years ago.

You hear that guys? We just need to become billionaires and everything is going to be alright.

Lets get cracking y'all.

 

[kix4kix]

The following essay recently landed in my e-mail. The author is Tim Wise, and the article first appeared at BuzzFlash.com, but I've heard the same sentiments expressed by friends and associates:

For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a "%$%%%*' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their %$%%%*' $##," and talk about how you like to "shoot **@!" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.


White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.

White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.

White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.

White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good churchgoing Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.

White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

 

[shortydoowopp]

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds420

What are you doing to better the black community. Fighting and pissing people off is not clothing people. Helping would though.

I volunteer in 'the hood' helping kids w/ their homework. I constantly talk to any child that will listen the importance of reading and an education. On Monday i need to call the middle school around the corner so I can do the same thing there. I plan on teaching in the hood and not just to help black kidsbut all disadvantaged kids in general. What I wanna know is why you feel the need to question what we're doing?

I also fall under the college/college graduate category, and I can say, just because you went to college doesn't mean !!%%. So that is irrelevant.
its irrelvant but then you asked what we're doing to help the community...i'd say me being college educated means alot...

 

[smoke ya later]

looks like this thread is going nowhere, just like every other race related thread.

 

[ninjasonik]

double

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by wawaweewa



Go and do something about it.
Go and become a billionaire so you can help your community out.

We'll get right on it....don't know why we never thought of this before.

If only we knew that turning ourselves into billionaires would help out of problems...man, these situations would have been over years ago.

You hear that guys? We just need to become billionaires and everything is going to be alright.

Lets get cracking y'all.

Not going to be alright but you won't have to rely on those that don't like you as much.
Self sufficiency has its virtues you know.

You think there ever was or will be true equality?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
What's the end goal? "Equality" on paper?

 

[capricorn1229]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Capricorn1229

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Capricorn1229

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Not going to read the entire thread because it's most likely pointless and a waste of time.

That being said. Slavery is nothing unique to Black Americans. Discrimination is nothing to unique to Black Americans. Being treated as second class citizens is not unique to Black Americans.
That doesn't mean that all these things are not problems or issues that don't have valid grievances. On the other hand, it also means that there's nothing special about the Black experience in America when it comes to slavery or discrimination.

The biggest BS comment in this entire thread.

Oh really?

You want to go read up on some history of Jews in Europe, oh say, starting in the 13th century.
You think Jews are all over the place because they like to travel?

Oh God...



Don't do it.

Alright.

Go look up the history of Gypsies then. Or Kurds. Or Armenians. Or Chechens. Or any other ethnic group which at one point in time were mistreated by others.

It's been a peachy world for everyone but Black Americans?

I'm not ignorant so don't play me. I also haven't made any false statements in this thread. I was merely giving you a warning not to go down that road. What you tried to do was minimize the strife of Black Americans but what if somebody did that to the Jews or Gypsies or Kurds or Armenians or Chechens? Don't do it in here. Don't even try.

I'm not minimizing anything.
Maybe you're "maximizing"?

Why not go down that road? Was there no earth before New Amsterdam?

I'm maximizing?

Okay, dude. I'm done for now becauseI don't have time for this.

And once again thank you for displaying another example of the White Privilege mentality. Do you see how I am sensitive to other cultures yet you don'tgive a $%%$ and can laugh at me.

Watch this:
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[frankreynolds420]

Word i'm Hitler because you have no argument? And I don't understand what you are fighting about eNPHAN? The fact that it happened and it was bad? Iunderstand your pops lived a tough life. Props to him for persevering, seriously. But why are you acting like you faced all these hardships? Man, you'retyping from a computer right now, probably just ate, about to look at porn and watch TV before bed. Terrible life. In the end, you're stoppingyourself..You need to overcome this all and go out and get what's yours.

 

[hueyp in louiev]

Originally Posted by smoke ya later

looks like this thread is going nowhere, just like every other race related thread.

Thats because white people never want to truly hear the other side...they just want to hear what they want to hear.

Look at all downright ignorance and rejection of fact in this thread...go back and read it for yourself.

As Blacks in America we have to have a "double consciousness" (really triple) being aware of how both the black and white communities work...whitepeople don't have that burden.

Thats probably the biggest facet of white privilege. Most don't even know how privileged they are or what the black experience entails.

 

[randyoss]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN



up until about 50 to 60 years ago, black people weren't even legally allowed to attend certain schools....and you wanna ask me how that still affects black people today?

rofl.

yall really need to get out of the burbs more often...

Ok, I'm totally jumping in on your convo, but I don't understand what's not allowing kids these days to go to college if they have thegrades, money/loans, SAT/ACT scores, extra curricular activities (I believe these are more important now to get into college?)? I can see how a belief/thoughtprocess may develop for a family that never had any kids go to college, since it had been like that for many decades. But that doesn't mean that if thelatest generation wanted to go, they couldn't.

At least, that's what it seems like in California, but I'm sure (as with most things race-wise) this depends on the region of the world we'retalking about.

 

[sam206]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

lol@206...

your daddy?

why you harping on your daddy's struggles?

why don't you go out and do something?

your daddy suffered, not you...

get over it

(all sarcasm)
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

ps, my father was a 1st generation greek in the 1920s...yes, his childhood was the great depression in chicago...in a polish ghetto...mind you, he and his sister and the other 9 people who lived in a 1br apt were the only greeks in the neighborhood

and he still benefitted from his white skin.....

he went to ill tech, was the only chem engineer in his entire class...

you think they even let black people into the school at all?

so while your daddy was delivering pizza

my pops was 8 shining shoes in garbage lined streets for 80 cents a day, which was more than his father made as a migrant construction worker who had to work his voyage to america off, much like a slave.

so again, can that cute $#$+.

up until about 50 to 60 years ago, black people weren't even legally allowed to attend certain schools....and you wanna ask me how that still affects black people today?

rofl.

yall really need to get out of the burbs more often...

shut the $%^# up you dont know nothing about me. And how would I do some thing when I was 5 years old.

 

[Master Zik]

Originally Posted by FrankReynolds420

Some of you are full of hate and ignorant. The light will shine for you one day though.

Funny thing is it's not the first time I've seen you misuse the correct form of that word.

 

[tony goalie]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Tony Goalie

This guy talking about the black experience is nothing unique you ever heard of the Willie lynch letters ever heard of men getting raped on slave ships?

@ This guy trying to compare the Jew holocaust to the Black holocaust like its even remotely close.

There was a world before the holocaust.
Ever hear of the inquisition for one? It was pretty bad for a multitude of groups. It lasted for a pretty long time too.

Ok but were they robbed of a knowledge of self?

Were they deprived of their man hood and woman hood?

Were they beaten to the white meat?

Were they taught white is beautiful and black ugly?

Were they forced to fornicate to produce "super slaves"

Were their feet chopped of when they tried to escape?

Were they robbed off all the minerals and riches of africa?

Were they robbed off their culture and language?

 

[38816]

so, frank reynolds, what struggles do you share with me?

you ever been laid out on concrete for walking down the street at gunpoint?

I think not.

our struggles aren't the same.


and waawaaweewa, don't act like those aren't the words you typed, dude...lol

I aint asking for nobody to do @%%%....but acknowledge this @%%%...stop pretending like we're crybabies and we're just whining about some pointless@%%% that doesn't impact us...

lol

"our struggles are probably the same, shoot"

bwhahahahahaahhaha

except for the fact that, as a white kid,you graduating college is expected, whereas as a black kid, me graduating college is an exception...

of the 8 dudes I consider my closest friends(one white) I'm the only person who even went to college, let alone graduated...

can you say the same?

please, what struggles do we share?

I've had perfect strangers tell me, as a child, I wasn't gonna grow up to be @%%%....@%%%, even as I walk around the campus of the college I GRADUATEDFROM...I get funny looks from white parents....meanwhile, they hope and pray their little becky and chet can one day be like me...and graduate from tOSU...youthink those parents are looking at me like they would look at you?

please, what struggles do we share?

white cop beats black man senseless for no reason....slap on the wrist, not even a suspension...

black cop beats black man senseless for no reason, facing decades of fed time...

please, what struggles do we share?

lol

and don't duck my post like anton.....

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Originally Posted by smoke ya later

looks like this thread is going nowhere, just like every other race related thread.

Thats because white people never want to truly hear the other side...they just want to hear what they want to hear.

Look at all downright ignorance and rejection of fact in this thread...go back and read it for yourself.

As Blacks in America we have to have a "double consciousness" (really triple) being aware of how both the black and white communities work...white people don't have that burden.

Thats probably the biggest facet of white privilege. Most don't even know how privileged they are or what the black experience entails.

Plenty of ignorance coming from both sides. You got dudes in here like you an Enphan talking like every word you type is the absolute truth and nothing elsecan be said about it. Dont act like you are doing some great job of laying out both sides in this thread.

 

[smoke ya later]

yo enPHAN you said your dad was a greek in the 1920's? just curious how old are you? the 20's were a looooong time ago

 

[sam206]

Originally Posted by randyoss

Originally Posted by eNPHAN



up until about 50 to 60 years ago, black people weren't even legally allowed to attend certain schools....and you wanna ask me how that still affects black people today?

rofl.

yall really need to get out of the burbs more often...

Ok, I'm totally jumping in on your convo, but I don't understand what's not allowing kids these days to go to college if they have the grades, money/loans, SAT/ACT scores, extra curricular activities (I believe these are more important now to get into college?)? I can see how a belief/thought process may develop for a family that never had any kids go to college, since it had been like that for many decades. But that doesn't mean that if the latest generation wanted to go, they couldn't.

At least, that's what it seems like in California, but I'm sure (as with most things race-wise) this depends on the region of the world we're talking about.

co-sign

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Capricorn1229

I'm maximizing?

Okay, dude. I'm done for now because I don't have time for this.

And once again thank you for displaying another example of the White Privilege mentality. Do you see how I am sensitive to other cultures yet you don't give a $%%$ and can laugh at me.

Watch this:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true

You're "sensitive" to other cultures.� Oh I'm sure your sensitivity is genuine.

Too bad most people in other cultures prob. don't give a !%+@ whether you're sensitive or not. Doesn't really help them.

No ones laughing at you.
How can I be sensitive� to somethign that I have not experienced? Can you be sensitive to what my family went through in Eastern Europe for centuries?Don't worry, I don't expect you too.

All that I do know is that the Black� experience is not unique to world history and that there are ways to prosper even in poor circumstances. One of thoseways is not yelling at people who have little to nothign to do with your poor circumstances.�

 

[frankreynolds420]

Also, Shortydoowopp. Props on being educated on the college level. But you have to understand, that's a great accpmplishment in general. I'm not hatingat all. A lot of the bad feelings people give you are automatically transferred to being "racist". That's the easy way out. It's hard to makea living and live a LIFE for everyone. Bad #@@! happens to everyone. And EVERYONE has to work hard to achieve success.




There are extenuating circumstances of course, like being born into money. But let's keep this in the working class terms. It sucks for everyone. Alli'm saying is I feel like i'm a...person, not a white person. You are a person also in my eyes, and not a...black person. I also understand, not manypeople will adopt that method of thinking, and it's sad.

 

[sam206]

well im done. life is what you make it not history

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Tony Goalie

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Tony Goalie

This guy talking about the black experience is nothing unique you ever heard of the Willie lynch letters ever heard of men getting raped on slave ships?

@ This guy trying to compare the Jew holocaust to the Black holocaust like its even remotely close.

There was a world before the holocaust.
Ever hear of the inquisition for one? It was pretty bad for a multitude of groups. It lasted for a pretty long time too.

Ok but were they robbed of a knowledge of self?

Were they deprived of their man hood and woman hood?

Were they beaten to the white meat?

Were they taught white is beautiful and black ugly?

Were they forced to fornicate to produce "super slaves"

Were their feet chopped of when they tried to escape?

Were they robbed off all the minerals and riches of africa?

Were they robbed off their culture and language?

The Vatican hasn't been the kindest organization to "heretics" and those who challenged their power.

Go look up some of the torture devices that were invented during the inquisition.

 

[trelvis tha thrilla]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

so, frank reynolds, what struggles do you share with me?

you ever been laid out on concrete for walking down the street at gunpoint?

Ive had cops draw their guns on me for doing nothing wrong and Im white.

Originally Posted by eNPHAN



except for the fact that, as a white kid,you graduating college is expected, whereas as a black kid, me graduating college is an exception...

of the 8 dudes I consider my closest friends(one white) I'm the only person who even went to college, let alone graduated...

can you say the same?

Only person in my family to graduate from college....your point?

 

[38816]

bwhahahahahahahah@ what's stopping these kids if they have the money, act scores and extra cirricular activites?

lets see...

no child left behind punishes lower scoring districts

many districts had to cut all sports and arts completely out the budget..

who do you think attends the poorest schools in our nation?

sans appilaceans, imma go out on a limb and say black and hispanic populations...

act scores? teachers in these "failing" districts are much more concerned with the federal testing that their districts funding is dependent on thanteaching act and sat courses....you wouldn't understand that though, obviously, seeing how you seem to think act/sat preparation is a given..

I'm not even going to explain the money aspect...


now, at the end of the day, the black kid who lives in chicago, where there were over 200 shootings this "season" alone (kneesh, correct me ifI'm wrong) has the same struggles and aspirations for their life as the kid who lives in a gated community and goes to private school?

the kid in chicago is concerned with not getting shot....

while the kid in private school is whining about not getting into state u so he can get totally ****faced with chet and bret....

but you right, aint NOTHING stopping these kids tho..

(lets not mention that many kids who even graduate high school are the first in their entire families to do so.....is it due to them being lazy? or due to thatfact that up until 50 years ago they weren't even legally allowed INSIDE 90 percent of schools? hbcu's were just made to discriminate against whites,right? ROFL)

STEP OUT OF THE BURBS ONCE IN A WHILE, CHILDREN....

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Capricorn1229

I'm maximizing?

Okay, dude. I'm done for now because I don't have time for this.

And once again thank you for displaying another example of the White Privilege mentality. Do you see how I am sensitive to other cultures yet you don't give a $%%$ and can laugh at me.

Watch this:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=truehttp://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3812249801848706206&hl=en&fs=true

You're "sensitive" to other cultures.� Oh I'm sure your sensitivity is genuine.

Too bad most people in other cultures prob. don't give a !%+@ whether you're sensitive or not. Doesn't really help them.

No ones laughing at you.
How can I be sensitive� to somethign that I have not experienced? Can you be sensitive to what my family went through in Eastern Europe for centuries? Don't worry, I don't expect you too.

All that I do know is that the Black� experience is not unique to world history and that there are ways to prosper even in poor circumstances. One of those ways is not yelling at people who have little to nothign to do with your poor circumstances.�



Lets not forget about how blacks flock to the Democrats every election,but either party could care less about black people.

 

[kneesh]

Originally Posted by randyoss

Originally Posted by eNPHAN



up until about 50 to 60 years ago, black people weren't even legally allowed to attend certain schools....and you wanna ask me how that still affects black people today?

rofl.

yall really need to get out of the burbs more often...

Ok, I'm totally jumping in on your convo, but I don't understand what's not allowing kids these days to go to college if they have the grades, money/loans, SAT/ACT scores, extra curricular activities (I believe these are more important now to get into college?)? I can see how a belief/thought process may develop for a family that never had any kids go to college, since it had been like that for many decades. But that doesn't mean that if the latest generation wanted to go, they couldn't.

At least, that's what it seems like in California, but I'm sure (as with most things race-wise) this depends on the region of the world we're talking about.

I'm not saying the person can't rise above , but when you're born into something ...

Boy ... lives in the hood ... mom's on disability ... goes to a public school ... lack of education ...
never really learned anything ... bad high school scores ... can't get into a good college ...
gets into a community college ... financial aid / loans ... mom gets sick ... has to help her ...
never finishes school ... mom passes ... financial aid won't give help ... blah blah blah

See how that works ? & that's not even necessarily for a Black male .

White's are ALWAYS born with that one-up , that head start ... not money wise either .