NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[cedric ceballos]

Man they should keep it how it is.

Why should a team who wins a piss poor division get a home game over a team who in some cases tied for first place in a more competetive division?

If it was a one time thing I could see but as I pointed out this is an ongoing problem. I want to see the best play the best in the later rounds. Not a team that's an opportunist luck into a home game and unnecessary advantage.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Well you shut me up

Didn't realize it happened that often.

Lol, its crazy though. Cards rode that division wave to 2 home games in 08 whole having the worst record of all 6 NFC playoff teams that year. 2 home games and dellhome did his thing and they damn near won a Super Bowl.

But before they switched the divisions up, this only happened like 3 times from 1990-2001.
The 4 seed back then was a wild card and with 5 team divisions it was rare that the 6 seed was better then the 3 during those years.

 

[jayfiend]

This is my gripe with Peyton. Regular season, 4th quarter game on the line, its 3rd down and you know he's converting it. You know he's driving his team down and scoring and getting the win while putting points up like a madman and its fun to watch.

Playoffs, he doesn't necessarily crap the bed and go Andy dalton on us, but little things like failing to concert key third downs and making the plays to extend drives he doesn't always do in January. Key example, 2010 wild card game 3rd and 6th, get a first down and run the clock out and kick the game winning field goal, he doesn't do it and the jets drive down and win. That's a pass he completes in the regular season. The ravens game last year, he had a decent game statewise but it was alot of drives that stalled and that's on him.

Regular season, I feel like he's in total control of the game when their on offense even if they don't convert or lose, that confidence that he's going to get the job done is there and he usually gets it done. I haven't had that feeling with him come playoff time. It seems like he tries to do to much and over analyze things or something, I don't know what it is though.

I agree with this to a point.

 

[stillin729]

I don't wanna talk about the Cards in 08/09 when McNabb came up small AGAIN

 

[Retto]

'08 Cards...

Bad memories...Q ain't even suit up that night either...

Worst loss in team history.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Peyton to his credit got that 06 afc title game where he stepped up huge down 17.

Andy Reid, my god that refusal to utilize the run game, and piss poor clock management is frustrating to watch and I'm no chiefs or eagles fan.

 

[jayfiend]

Lol, its crazy though. Cards rode that division wave to 2 home games in 08 whole having the worst record of all 6 NFC playoff teams that year. 2 home games and dellhome did his thing and they damn near won a Super Bowl.

But before they switched the divisions up, this only happened like 3 times from 1990-2001.
The 4 seed back then was a wild card and with 5 team divisions it was rare that the 6 seed was better then the 3 during those years.

So basically it sounds you want to take away divisions.

If a team wins it's division it should be rewarded with a home game. If not, what the point. What's the reward battling all year to win your division?

 

[IATT]

i think peyton is more like marty schottenheimer

 

[DeadsetAce]

Report: Patriots have reached out to the agent of Marvin Harrison (who?)

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

Report: Patriots have reached out to the agent of Marvin Harrison (who?)

... Hernandez done fo.

 

[jayfiend]

Peyton manning =/= Andy Reid in terms of playoff shortcomings.

McNabb throwing that pick to Barber that sent the Bucs to the SB

So Peyton was the reason the ravens lost last year?

His defense had nothing to do with that?

 

[a55a5in11]

Peyton manning =/= Andy Reid in terms of playoff shortcomings.

McNabb throwing that pick to Barber that sent the Bucs to the SB

So Peyton was the reason the ravens lost last year?

His defense had nothing to do with that?

his 2 costly INT's did

 

[Chester McFloppy]

So Peyton was the reason the ravens lost last year?

His defense had nothing to do with that?

Peyton threw two terrible interceptions, one for a pick six IIRC. Yes, the defense sucked, but he didn't do them any favors.

Without Trindon Holliday returning two kicks for TDs, that game woulda never hit OT.

 

[CP1708]

So Peyton was the reason the ravens lost last year?

His defense had nothing to do with that?

Peyton threw two terrible interceptions, one for a pick six IIRC. Yes, the defense sucked, but he didn't do them any favors.

Without Trindon Holliday returning two kicks for TDs, that game woulda never hit OT.

I'd quote this 50 times but folks would still not get the clue.

 

[cedric ceballos]

So basically it sounds you want to take away divisions.

If a team wins it's division it should be rewarded with a home game. If not, what the point. What's the reward battling all year to win your division?

Where did I say I want to take away divisions?

A guaranteed playoff spot is a very fair reward for winning your division. You win a weak division and go 8-8 and you get a playoff game while a 10-6 team misses the division and that will happen. Winning a weak division shouldn't award anything more though. You go 8-8 and win the division you get the 6 seed, that's how it should be.

Look at the NBA how they do it. Many times the 2 vs 3 matchup had the 3 seed who finished 2nd In their division but had a better record get home court advantage.

The 6 seed clippers had home court over the 42 win 3 seed division champ nuggets. That's a fair setup.

 

[statis22]

Does having home field even matter these days? The best teams usually win no matter the situations right?

 

[DeadsetAce]

So Peyton was the reason the ravens lost last year?

His defense had nothing to do with that?

Peyton threw two terrible interceptions, one for a pick six IIRC. Yes, the defense sucked, but he didn't do them any favors.

Without Trindon Holliday returning two kicks for TDs, that game woulda never hit OT.

i can't believe i heard this come from chester


+1

 

[cedric ceballos]

Peyton threw two terrible interceptions, one for a pick six IIRC. Yes, the defense sucked, but he didn't do them any favors.

Without Trindon Holliday returning two kicks for TDs, that game woulda never hit OT.

You said what I was going to say. Manning fans point out the jacoby jones "fluke play" touchdown. That's 7 points. Denver score touchdowns on a "fluke play" punt return and kickoff. That's 14 points. Factor the 2 out and Baltimore wins by 7 in regulation.

 

[trynafeelmink]

If Peyton looks "mediocre" against SD. I will finally admit it's him.

But I don't think he will. But I also don't think it's fair to put it all on him.

I truly believe defense wins championships. And Den Defense struggled against SD that second game. They controlled that clock very good. And that's the best way to beat Peyton. Keep him of the field.

I think SD wins because like I've said before they just looking like one of those teams this year.

But that defense will be the reason Den lose if they lose, especially without Von Miller.

That's the thing of course you can't give him ALL the blame but when i KNOW your capable of destroying a defense and you've consistently done it over and over again this season to the tune of a new record and then you come out in the most important of games and don't play to that standard it's his fault IMO.

At this point even with that d not looking great he's gotten a 14-2 record, has home field and Offensively has the best targets in the game if he's really the GOAT as people love to claim you have to elevate your game to GOAT level in those situations and he has CONSISTENTLY NOT done that over his career.

In the SB Vs the Saints he had the rock in the 4th quarter with an oppurtunity to win if i'm remembering correctly. We all know what he's capable of the kind of throws he can make, how he can read a defense....... with all that said i stood their calmly with no fear and told my friends who were Peyton fans that he was going to cough the rock up and very next play it's a Pick 6.

Usually when i don't like a player i'm talking **** knowing that their is a chance he can prove me wrong, in that situation for whatever reason i had NO DOUBT he was going to find a way to lose that game and with a guy of that caliber i shouldn't ever feel comfortable saying that. But this is all in hopes that he crushes the chargers so Tom could come into denver and put an end to this talk once and for all.

 

[statis22]

Peyton threw two terrible interceptions, one for a pick six IIRC. Yes, the defense sucked, but he didn't do them any favors.

Without Trindon Holliday returning two kicks for TDs, that game woulda never hit OT.

What if Jack Del Rio never calls for a cover 2 defense on the Jacoby Jones bomb?

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Peyton has sucked for the most part in the playoffs and that's why he has this aura. There are like two games that I can think off of the top of my head (Jets in 11 and Steelers in 05) where I don't pin the blame on him... but that's it. Played really damn good those games, had some bad drops (Garcon) and terrible o-line protection (05).

Even then, he shoulda simply scored more points. Greats find a way to win.

Win the chip this year and everything bad goes away, simple as that.

 

[jayfiend]

I'd quote this 50 times but folks would still not get the clue.

JJ this I agree this conversation get old and going to drop it. But let me ask this....

Why is it fair to ask Peyton put up 35 points to get the W every single game?

Other QBs don't have to do it. Not every night they don't.

Talking bout he threw 2 INTs against a motivated defense that actually went all the way.

What about his D stepping up and getting a stop against a QB that everybody seems to think is average. The Ravens put up 38 points. You damn right the Broncos wouldn't have been in it without those ST plays. Their defense did nothing to help.

 

[DeadsetAce]

the comment about the slander bus filling up on gas though....

 

[cedric ceballos]

To end the Peyton manning talk. I just gotta say this and its not discrediting anything. I'm just pointing facts out.

His teams have had a first round bye, meaning win 2 games and your in the Super Bowl 5 times. 3 of those times his team was the 1 seed meaning they had home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Aside from 09 where they went against a second year qb and rookie qb in the playoffs, they lost the other 4 games and were 1 and done.

Even the greatest have an off game or even 2 and lose to a lesser team. But to lose 4 games at home after you had the bye. The playoff track record isn't brought up for no reason, ill just say that.

 

[larrydavidmoney]

I got a dieon branch jersey i still wear to games

:x




I still see Roy Williams #31 Cowboys' jerseys.