New York Yankees Official Thread - RIP Former Manager Petey Rose

The Boone boneheaded mistakes aren’t something that just happened. It’s been going on for years now. It only seems reactionary because it happened/was exposed on the biggest stage.

Also let’s not act like the team hasn’t slipped in areas under his watch. Defense has dipped (was center stage tonight). Base running was atrocious this season. Offense seems to go on these runs where it’s nowhere to be found each year.

I’ve always frowned against the fans that had the take of that’s not good enough we’re the Yankees! World Series or bust! But mistakes and coaching of this team robbed us from this series and saying we should just be happy he got us there (feels like the ultimate participation trophy statement - sorry) is a bit too complacent.
 
The Boone boneheaded mistakes aren’t something that just happened. It’s been going on for years now. It only seems reactionary because it happened/was exposed on the biggest stage.

Also let’s not act like the team hasn’t slipped in areas under his watch. Defense has dipped (was center stage tonight). Base running was atrocious this season. Offense seems to go on these runs where it’s nowhere to be found each year.

I’ve always frowned against the fans that had the take of that’s not good enough we’re the Yankees! World Series or bust! But mistakes and coaching of this team robbed us from this series and saying we should just be happy he got us there (feels like the ultimate participation trophy statement - sorry) is a bit too complacent.
Not saying we should be happy to get there, but calling for heads bc we didn't win it just seems reactionary to me. Getting there was a huge step. I'm not a fan of taking a step back after taking a step forward. Making the series the season after missing the playoffs is a positive season imo. If we'd missed the playoffs or gone out in round 1, ok. But firing someone after making the world series for the first time in 15 seasons? Makes no sense to me.
 
With this roster and budget, and only going to the WS once in 15 years is a fireable offense. He has made tons of mistakes over the years and his hot-head has made an embarassment of the franchise. I wonder if you had a hungrier and sharper coach like Vogt, we would have won this series. Cheaper salary too. Time for him to get the boot.
 
I’m not saying fire him because we lost. It was HOW we lost. The boneheaded mistakes that continued.

You’re talking about a team/organization that fired Showalter after getting them to the postseason for the first time since ‘81. They went ahead and found their guy to right the ship and get them over the hump.

I have not felt that Boone was that guy. After his decisions this series and thought the past year(s), feel like it speaks for itself. Plain and simple.
 
I’m not saying fire him because we lost. It was HOW we lost. The boneheaded mistakes that continued.

You’re talking about a team/organization that fired Showalter after getting them to the postseason for the first time since ‘81. They went ahead and found their guy to right the ship and get them over the hump.

I have not felt that Boone was that guy. After his decisions this series and thought the past year(s), feel like it speaks for itself. Plain and simple.
Blaming Boone for Judge dropping an easy fly ball and Cole not covering 1b is weird to me but we can just agree to disagree. No reason to go in circles. I highly doubt we fire him, if they were going to do that, they'd have done it last year, so it's all pointless. I respect your opinion, not trying to argue.
 
Blaming Boone for Judge dropping an easy fly ball and Cole not covering 1b is weird to me but we can just agree to disagree.
Again, I have not said the 5th inning defense was on him once. That’s your spin not me.
 
Again, I have not said this was on him once. That’s your spin not me.
I guess I'm confused on the boneheaded plays that were his fault. I think Boone had a good postseason outside of g1 tbh. For the most part he pushed the right buttons. Good season, good building block. Let's build on that, not tear it down and start over.
 
lol Never said boneheaded plays. Those are your words. Again.

Also moving on to a different manager isn’t tearing it all down to start all over again. Sometimes it’s finding a better voice to reach and lead.
 
Where did it all go wrong?
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Catcher - Austin Wells is 25. Tied 12th in doubles, tied 18th in home runs. 6th in walks. Had 18 most at-bats. First full year. The hope is that his ability to hit for contact increases, and he gets more confident on both sides of the ball.
Trevino is fine as the back up catcher.

First Base - 100% a position they need to have a big change in. Yankees as a team at 1B was 25th in HR. T-20th in RBIs. 24th in BBs. 30th in OPS. Even if Rizzo was healthy, I don't see him making much of a change in those stats.
I guess Rizzo isn't bad as a backup and locker room guy. And Oswaldo added in for depth as he can play first.
Rizzo has $6mil buyout on his $17mil. Buy him out, and offer him an extra mil, maybe two to return.

Pete Alonso, Christian Walker, Paul Goldschmidt, Josh Bell are free agents.


Second Base - You could have Jazz play 2nd, but there are two problems. 1. You then need a third baseman, that the Yankees don't have and 2. Gleyber was pretty good in the playoffs.

Yankees rankings
6th in H
12th in 2B
T-10th in HR
T-9th in RBIs
T-3rd in BB
9th/7th/13th/10th in AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

In 56 games as the leadoff Gleyber was .280/.350/.405 which would have been 2nd/3rd/6th in position ranks

Can Gleyber be frustrating at times, sure. But he's a home grown guy. And is at worst top 10 in his position as a hitter, and 28.

Give Gleyber a 4 year / $50mil contract. Would make him the 8th highest paid 2nd. If it got to 4yr/ $64mil, he's the 5th highest paid 2B behind Jeff McNeil


Shortstop - Volpe had a really rough year hitting. Improved some, but didn't take a significant next step. I felt going into the playoffs that if he were to have a dud that he'd start to feel his seat get a bit hot. But I think he had a good enough playoffs to quiet some noise.

21st/23rd/23rd in AVG/OBP/SLG. 24th in HR. 21st in RBIs. 19th in BBs. 9th in SOs.

Where Volpe did well was baserunning, he had 28 stolen bases. And defense.

If Volpe can work counts more, be more patient. I think he can make a little bit of a jump to be a 20HR/30SB guy hitting 260/330.


Third Base - Unless they go after Alex Bregman, which I doubt, which would move Jazz to 2B. I think Jazz is your 3B. For never playing there before, Jazz made some really good plays. Wouldn't really know he's never played there before August.

If Jazz is healthy he brings some dynamic nature to the lineup. He can swipe 40+ bags. Has some fight to his game. Will pop 20+ home runs.

He had a ****** playoffs, but I respect his fight.


Finally that leads to DJ LeMahieu. They must do whatever to get out of the last 2 years of his deal. It's 2 years $30mil left. Eat maybe $10-15mil of it. Attach some prospects. Get him out of here. He's not good, and doesn't add anything to the team.
If you go after a First Baseman. And have Rizzo & Oswaldo on the bench, you have no use for DJ. Especially when Jazz can play 2B if needed.
Also let Berti's $3.5mil go.

Infield - Wells / ??? / Gleyber / Volpe / Jazz
Bench - Trevino / Rizzo / Oswaldo Cabrera
40man includes Peraza

Recap: Use Rizzo's $6mil buyout. Re-sign him for $2-3mil. Drop Berti's $3.5mil. Try to get out of as much of DJ LeMahieu as possible, attach some prospects to him.

The answer at 1st Base. If they go FA, Christian Walker is probably the guy as Pete would be too expensive in trying to also retain Soto
If they go by trade, Vladdy Jr. may be available for trade. That's a guy you could get behind. He's already softened his I won't play for the Yankees take.


Outfield
I don't really like Judge in Center. But with Soto, not really much choice. Unless Judge or Soto agree to play LF. I would prefer Soto in LF as Judge grades out as a Gold Glove level player in RF.

No need to post the Judge & Soto stats.

14 year / $600mil. $42mil a year. Makes him a Yankee for life. He'll likely end up with 3000 Hits, 500 HRs. Unless he has a **** ton of injuries, which you can never predict, his game will still translate 12 years from now. He's a legendarily good hitter.

PAY THE MAN.

As for Center Field. I think you give Martian the go here. Adds another runner to the lineup with Volpe and Jazz.

Let Verdugo walk as I wouldn't be interested in playing him every day anyway. Decline Grisham's $5mil + arbitration.


DH - Stanton. Legendary great post season player. In the off season get his legs right. Have him see every specialist from here to Japan to work on getting some mobility in his legs. If he's available, he is fine. Get 120 or 130 games, almost guaranteed 30 HRs 80-90 RBIs. Had 27HRs 72RBIs in 114 games this year.

Ideal, perfect offseason lineup
1- Gleyber
2- Soto
3-Judge
4-Stanton
5- Jazz
6- Vladdy
7- Wells
8-Volpe
9- Martian
Trevino, Rizzo, Cabrera and one more guy needed.

(I'm all for cleaning out some of the farm. A lot of dead ends for guys, and Yankees need to be in a win now mode).



SP -
Cole is your Ace. Just get him healthy.

Rodon isn't bad, he improved in year 2 as a Yankee, but he's more hittable than we want him to be, gives up a HR per start. If he can get his HRs down from 31 to about 17 or 18, he's pretty close to what we signed him for. ERA would be a bit higher than his sub 3 seasons prior to joining the Yankees, but pretty even elsewhere. If we could move him back to the number 3 starter slot, I think we're cooking.

Gil, Schmidt and Stroman getting 80 starts between them works for me.

I'm not sure who they should go after pitching, but I do know that he has to be Rodon or better in caliber.


Bullpen
I think we should have two Ramiro Mendoza guys one from the left side and one from the right.
This is the role I'd put Nestor in. He has funky stuff. Likes to mix and match deliveries, arm angles, etc. If he pitches 120-130 innings in that role, you like what you're getting I think if he comes in for 2-3 innings, he will excel. And if there's a ton of injuries in the rotation, he moves up. In that 2-3 inning role, you can look at Nestor's stats. 1st time through the order, he only gives up a .375 SLG, 2nd time it jumps to .518. 3rd time it's back down to .371. Nestor has that I can fool them early, they figure me out, and then I have to recalculate everything and then settle down type stuff.

From the right side, Clay Holmes having the other half of the Mendoza role. Eat up the 5th & 6th or 6th & 7th. Or just be the 6th inning guy, who in a pinch can be your 7th or 8th inning guy. Would need to re-sign him. Don't see him getting more than $7mil. He got $5.2mil this past year.

Tim Hill is the lefty specialist. Would need to re-sign him, probably a couple to a few mil.

Kahnle is your 7th inning guy. Would need to re-sign Kahnle. I think he would stay in NY even at a mil or two ya year discount. Kahnle at 2year/$10-11mil

Need a fireballer in the 8th.

Weaver back as the closer.

(Other guys include Loaisiga who would be back for a couple mil. Leiter Jr. similar money.


Full roster
1 - Wells
2- Trevino
3- Vladdy
4 - Rizzo
5 - Gleyber
6 - Jazz
7 - Volpe
8 - Cabrera
9 - Soto
10 - Martian
11 - Judge
12 - Stanton
13 - Either a MIF or OF (Could also run only 12 position guys with 14 pitchers due to Oswaldo's versatility)
14 - Cole
15 - New # 2 Starter
16 - Rodon
17 - Gil
18 - Schmidt
19 - Stroman
20 - Nestor
21 - Clay Holmes
22 - Tim Hill
23 - Loiasiga or Leiter Jr (whoever isn't in will have plenty of MLB time either way)
24- Kahnle
25- Fireballer 8th inning guy
26 - Weaver
 
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It will be considered one of the worst innings of all time. Crazy to think we would be on to game 6 easily if Judge caught the ball,

I gave Judge his props after ridiculing the guy all series and he sparks the Dodgers comeback and walks off like nothing happens. He’s gotta see a sports Psychiatrist or something. He’s paid way to much money to have “Chuck Knoblauch syndrome” every single year we make the playoffs.
 
I want the team to resign soto but feel like he will go somewhere else...he will ask for ridiculous money that hal will be too cheap to match...hopefully I'm wrong and he stays though
 
He shouldn’t go elsewhere. Hal needs to grow a pair and spend. Just lost to a team that did that last offseason. He has the means and capability. No more excuses. Especially with how you can spread money out i.e. Ohtani deal.
 
Soto is a rare true superstar and fans love him all over. He produced with an expiring contract. Yanks better not make him walk. The man is what only 26? Give him a 15 year deal lol.

Ohtani mahn he did the right thing. Went to the Dodgers and signed that crazy deferred deal and he got a ring his first year there. Which will just get him more endorsements he already leads the league with.
 
Hal will lose the fanbase if they don't sign Soto. Can't give us that for a year then take it away.
 
If Soto was 30 or 31. I don’t think Hal goes after him to stay.

At 26. He almost has to. This is ARod FA part 2. The only guy Yankees didn’t re-sign is Cano. (Unless I’m missing someone).
Somewhat different circumstance, as the team was transitioning out of being a contender. In hindsight, Cano would have been a spark in 17-18, and a disaster the 3-4 years after that.
Difference is this Yankee team already has 75% of a really solid team in place.

They are re-signing Soto and Gleyber. Keeping half the pen.
Adding a 1B and a 2/3 SP away from serious contention.
 
Jesus christ I'm listening to wfan this morning and I'm hearing people say "trade Judge, strip him of his captaincy, he's a disgrace" :smh:

This is why we've are one of the most hated fan bases. We really do have some stupid *** fans who just watch the playoffs and act like they know everything. I been smh all morning at the **** I'm hearing people say.

Too early for me to give my opinion on what we should do but if we lose Soto , especially across town, I'll be inconsolable. Fa now, let this one itch till spring ...
 
ya there really is no excuse not to resign soto... hes young and our best hitter on the team and is very durable...I would be livid if we didn't resign him
 
We really did play sloppy all series. Game 1 got to extras bc of a botched relay letting Ohtani go to 3rd and score on a sac fly. Volpe doesn't score from 2nd on a double. Soto struggled on several balls in RF, but just gotta live with that. Obviously game 5. Idk where all the blame for that but man it coild easily be 3-2 going back to LA but instead season is over. Brutal.
 
Def think they need to acquire an actual closer, or one that challenges Weaver for the spot. I think his usage down the stretch didn’t help him much. Tanner Scott will be a free agent. A good portion of our pen are FAs this offseason. It’s going to need to be addressed.

1st base is an absolute must. If need be SPEND. Be the evil empire and go get Alonzo. If not him I’d be good on a short term deal with Goldschmidt or Walker.

2nd I’m torn on. At times Gleyber can be really good, but then can be equally frustrating. His base running was pretty bad this season and can get lazy at times on defense. I’m not putting the botched relay/short hop on him, let me be clear on that. If Rizzo shaded over like he’s supposed to on that, he’s right there and Ohtani never advances. It could be a situation where we go with one of our top 2B prospects or shift Jazz back to 2B.

3B is probably Jazz’s unless they need to shift him to 2nd. If they shift him back to 2nd, I know many prob aren’t high on him, but maybe Bregman. He’s solid with the glove and offers something at the plate.

They need to add at least one other SP. Burnes would be ideal but I also think this may be the season Spencer Jones gets traded possibly for a starter. From reports over the last month or so they’ve opened up more on the idea of trading him.
 
Dominguez in CF seems like the easy call but he looked so bad in LF that I'm hesitant. Maybe he's just not comfortable in LF and plays a solid CF, idk. I don't recall defense being a huge negative for him coming up.
 
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