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[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

I wonder if Kobe Bryant really follows this off - season regiment?

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by 6 rings MJ

I wonder if Kobe Bryant really follows this off - season regiment?

probably not anymore with how his legs are now but i wouldnt be surprised if he did some reduced set

that ad came out when he was like 25 or so

 

[vanexellent]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Am I the only one who actually grew tired of the triangle

I appreciate and miss it when the Offense has no flow, spacing or purpose like this season. But to be fair, the Triangle was perfect during the Shaq era when players Horry & Fox knew how to cut to the basket after passes into the post and Harper/Shaw/Kobe knew how to work the offense from the perimeter.  The second go round with Phil coaching the Kobe/Odom/Pau etc Lakers, the Triangle wasnt great but it did space the floor and got players open shots.

 

[5am6oody72]

The man purposely matched up Steve Blake on OJ Mayo.  I will go to my grave wondering what in the blue !!%% a coach would do that for, on purpose. 

I would have fired that man ON THE COURT.   I am dead serious right now.  He would have been gone during a TV timeout.  One of the most disgusting coaching moments I have ever witnessed.

Man if you only knew how hard that made me laugh. I'm just imagining Buss sitting up there in luxury box like, "Alright alright, that's quite enough get him outta here" and sending some of his minions down to escort Mike from the building, and bringing coach Kobe one of his suits to finish the game.

An on-court firing lmao. I can just imagine the doofy look on Mike's bespectacled face.

 

[essential1]

Begrudgingly rooting for the Celtics... Don't diss me. We need the Sixers to lose. So Andre is on the trading block..



Also NO to Steve Nash.

 

[jordanxi45]

Iggy would do nothing for the Lakers. They desperately need a point guard, that should be their #1 priority and then move Bynum for D12.

Steve Nash for a year or two might be the best available option they're left with at point guard. It would be a huge upgrade over Sessions, regardless of how old Nash is IMO.

 

[kookcle]

If Deron goes to Dallas maybe we can get one of the Jasons

Point Guard 
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, L.A. Lakers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Gilbert Arenas, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Donald Sloan, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Patty Mills, San Antonio Spurs – $0.3 million – Unrestricted*
Courtney Fortson, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Mike James, Chicago Bulls – $0.6 million – Unrestricted
Jerome Dyson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Brooklyn Nets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Boykins, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Blake Ahearn, Utah Jazz – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by JordanXI45

Iggy would do nothing for the Lakers. They desperately need a point guard, that should be their #1 priority and then move Bynum for D12.

Steve Nash for a year or two might be the best available option they're left with at point guard. It would be a huge upgrade over Sessions, regardless of how old Nash is IMO.

Iggy is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.. And can actually score..

at him not doing anything for us..

PG is a small priority..  Get a defensive backup PG. And call it a day...

Steve Nash runs an amazing offense.. One of the greatest passing PG of all time.. So that is a the upgrade... But will continue to decrease in minutes, and decrease in games until he retires.... But plays horrid defense..  Not to mention our backup would still be... STEVE BLAKE...  So our offense is run better.. But our defense isn't.. And we still have Steve Blake as our backup... And no way to get a backup SG.. No chance to get a SF..

  Your suggestion is improve at the PG offensively... And do nothing else.. Sorry slightly improve at Center.. It's a hell of an idea.. But we need more than just Steve Nash if we want to be anywhere near a championship team.

 

[kookcle]

^Keeping MWP is cheaper than AI2 
that way Mitch can use Gasol for a PG.

 

[CJMcfly26]

Trade Ramon Sessions for Toney Douglas
Do It Mitch

 

[jordanxi45]

Originally Posted by Kookcle

^Keeping MWP is cheaper than AI2 
that way Mitch can use Gasol for a PG.

Exactly. Move Gasol for a point, Bynum for Dwight. That's the best scenario for LA IMO. Im not sure they can pull off both moves tho.

 

[essential1]

There is no such thing as "cheaper"... You want to win a title before Kobe retires.. You gotta say !#%$ the Cap because it is irrelevant until Kobe's last game in the NBA. Then it makes a difference.

Your suggestion is ride with Metta 30+ minutes per game again.. While I think Metta's valuable and should be back, that team will not win a title.. Now having Andre Iguodala play 30 minutes and Metta play 18 is a much better caliber team..

Steve Nash is an extreme injury risk.. Has he missed many games in his career? NO. But he's also not 30 anymore, and has a career history of nagging health problems.. If he is our Starting Point Guard, and god forbid gets injured.. Your option is 30 minutes per game of Steve Blake... Sessions isn't coming back if he doesn't start..

The smartest idea is get another young PG with Sessions.. Someone who is defensive minded (Jeff Teague).. Split their minutes 60/40....

Winning a title is about depth.

I'd rather have : Sessions / Teague than Nash/ Blake... Also I'd rather have Iguodala/ Metta than Metta/ Barnes.

All year I heard we have no bench.. We need a bench.. We need to be younger... And the best suggestion we have is a 16 year veteran starting PG. A 16 year starting SG. A 13 year veteran starting SF. And the same bench..

I just can't sometimes guys.. Just... Wow.

 

[darthska]

Cfranchise26:

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Trade Ramon Sessions for Toney Douglas
Do It Mitch

Only if we could also trade Melo for Murphy.

Do it whoeveriscurrentlyrunningtheKnicksintotheground!

 

[fudgemoney24]

If Steve Blake is still our primary backup PG next season, I will be very, very disappointed.

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by FudgeMoney24

If Steve Blake is still our primary backup PG next season, I will be very, very disappointed.

That's why I'm saying ride with Sessions as starter (28 minutes a game..)... And get someone who plays decent Offense, but better defense (Jeff Teague) for 20 minutes and there PG position is handled.  And you could even rotate them for a few minutes at the 2 for extra minutes for Kobe to rest

 

[kookcle]

Originally Posted by Essential1

There is no such thing as "cheaper"... You want to win a title before Kobe retires.. You gotta say %#@% the Cap because it is irrelevant until Kobe's last game in the NBA. Then it makes a difference.

Your suggestion is ride with Metta 30+ minutes per game again.. While I think Metta's valuable and should be back, that team will not win a title.. Now having Andre Iguodala play 30 minutes and Metta play 18 is a much better caliber team..

I just dont see them trading away one of  our best post player for another SF that makes twice as much. 
If they can somehow trade MWP for another Big then maybe but right now theres not a lot of interest in him (MWP).

 

[thachosen123]

Originally Posted by FudgeMoney24

If Steve Blake is still our primary backup PG next season, I will be very, very disappointed.

I still haven't given up on Morris

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by Kookcle

Originally Posted by Essential1

There is no such thing as "cheaper"... You want to win a title before Kobe retires.. You gotta say %#@% the Cap because it is irrelevant until Kobe's last game in the NBA. Then it makes a difference.

Your suggestion is ride with Metta 30+ minutes per game again.. While I think Metta's valuable and should be back, that team will not win a title.. Now having Andre Iguodala play 30 minutes and Metta play 18 is a much better caliber team..

I just dont see them trading away one of  our best post player for another SF that makes twice as much. 
If they can somehow trade MWP for another Big then maybe but right now theres not a lot of interest in him (MWP).

Defense.. And Depth...  I 100% see what you're saying though..

Andre expires same time Kobe expires... Which is the same time Metta expires..  $53.7 million expiring at the same time..

But look at it this way..  If you can swindle (yes swindle)  your way into getting Iggy & the backup PG that plays defense in a 3 team trade.....     There are plenty of PF's out there.. And all we need is 24 minutes from them (assuming Hill is back, and doesn't ALLEGEDLY choke a %$%%# again).. Go after it in free agency.. There are far more reliable options at the 4 in free agency for what we can spend than PG's. Every veteran PG has already committed to teams already (including Steve Nash, who said he wants to be back.. They just need to make some moves).. And it would take money to persuade them otherwise, which we don't have..  That's why I choose this route... 

Also Iggy plays the SG position as well.. We can get Kobe a few extra minutes rest.. And not have a steep decline like the past.. And throw Iggy next to Metta for 16 minutes a game.. Which would be

for opposing teams whose offense runs those 2 positions...  If you can see what I'm trying to do with the roster in this way it gives you so many different options and rotation looks which is a luxury we did not have at all.. And so much depth that a lot of what we have issue with in the past is kind of negated (at least that's the plan

)

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by thachosen123

Originally Posted by FudgeMoney24

If Steve Blake is still our primary backup PG next season, I will be very, very disappointed.

I still haven't given up on Morris

The world has

. 

 

[5am6oody72]

If we could have AI2 at the 2 while Kobe's out and have him and Artest on the floor at the same time...would be quite nice. Also having an athletic slasher who can get to the rim would be good to pair with Sessions. Barnes was good at that and him and Sesh had a good chemistry going; Igoudala would bring that same ability but without Barnes' deficiencies in other areas.

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that trading Bynum is in our best interest. I'm not averse to trading Pau too, but in today's NBA I think having D-Will-Kobe-Pau>>Sessions-Kobe-Bynum. Bynum is a great 1-on-1 offensive player but his all-around game and playmaking/creating for others is lacking. Plus he is just flat out too big and slow and makes the offense stagnant and can't get back on defense quickly enough. His value now is at an all-time high; if you could flip him for D-Will you have a much better chance of getting Kobe a title in the next 3 years IMO. Pau could go back into his natural post position, where he's a much better playmaker and passer than Bynum is. Deron is a reliable ball-handler and outside shooter who can space the floor and be an alpha scorer better than Sessions (obviously). We'd also be able to run P+R with Deron-Pau and Kobe-Pau. It just makes you a much more versatile offense. Bynum is a good player, but having him and Pau is just too much slowness for one team at the same time at both ends of the floor

I think we'd be much better off losing Drew and adding Deron+a more athletic C/PF that can hit 12-15 footers and defend the center position. Even if that guy isn't out there I would take this lineup in a heartbeat over what we've got now:

1- D-Will
2- Kobe
3- Artest
4- Pau/Odom
5- Hill/Odom/Pau

If we keep Drew and trade Pau, who are we going to realistically be able to get that will make us legit contenders? We would need Drew to improve his conditioning and learn how to deal with double teams much better to even have a chance next year IMO. If we could still get Scola/Dragic for Pau I'd take that too.

1- Dragic
2- Kobe
3- Artest/Odom
4- Scola/Odom
5- Drew

*Yes, I'm going to throw Odom in there for every proposed lineup I make

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

And if Stern gets involved

 

[pmatic]

With Kobe and Pau (for now) making so much money, it's imperative management target and acquire players that are making below average market money. Lowry absolutely fits the bill. Two years left on his contract, worth $11.9 million.

 

[fudgemoney24]

I lol'd

http://bleacherreport.com...lakers-in-four-team-deal

 

[kenji714]

this guy could provide a boost to the bench

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by FudgeMoney24

I lol'd

http://bleacherreport.com...lakers-in-four-team-deal

I had nothing to do with that..Let's get that clear