Mitchell Report Press conference at 2; Clemens to be named

[darthska]

AddictedToFreshKicks wrote:

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most of the writers on ESPN are saying they will still vote for Clemens to get into the HOF
And I heard Tim Kirkjian (who is a Hall of Fame voter) say that him and most of his colleagues that have a vote had already decided that theywould not be voting into the Hall anyone that was in the report.

Then after it was released, I heard him reiterate the same thing.

 

[dajoka004]

Originally Posted by AddictedToFreshKicks

most of the writers on ESPN are saying they will still vote for Clemens to get into the HOF

Most = 35%?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3154866

 

[wstcoastgotti]

Honestly... people still aren't taking what Canseco says seriously?

Or is it that ARod is your favorite player? Either way, his credibility seems to be rising by the day

 

[darthska]

^ His credibility?

No.

His credibility on THIS issue?

Yes.

Dude is still an arrogant, selfish, airheaded ditz.

But it seems (quite obviously) that he was right on with this one.

And I said on here that I believed the first time I heard him make all these accusations a couple years ago.

 

[am 1 fiend]

Originally Posted by 22 Deuces 22

I have read only about 1% of this thread, but

@ people saying "glad A-Rod wasn't on the list" and "glad Vlad wasn't on the list."


I would bet anything that only 5% of the names were released. How come all the players who were named are already retired or are at the end of their rope? Don't you guys think atleast ONE big name of a young player (Ryan Howard, Miguel Cabrera, etc.) who's a beast is on steroids? Don't you think that atleast one player in his prime (A-Rod, Vlad, etc.) is on steroids? Bottom line is that there's MANY more players whom MLB didn't want to name.

Get the *+!! outta here, yeah baseball wanted to smear Clemens. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

 

[wstcoastgotti]

^ His credibility?

No.

His credibility on THIS issue?

Yes.

Dude is still an arrogant, selfish, airheaded ditz.

But it seems (quite obviously) that he was right on with this one.

And I said on here that I believed the first time I heard him make all these accusations a couple years ago.
Obviously ya... I don't care what this fool has to say about anything else, ever. But on this issue, he got absolutely blasted for what hesaid. Now, people need to listen to this guy if they actually want to be open to hearing the full story of what really goes on behind close doors with theseplayers.

 

[wstcoastgotti]

Bottom line is that there's MANY more players whom MLB didn't want to name.
^What is so wrong with this statement? It's definitely a valid point... there are no younger players on this list. NONE. That's notsketchy to you?

Or do you believe that nobody, not one person in the MLB, is using or have been the past few years?

 

[am 1 fiend]

Originally Posted by WstCoastGotti

Bottom line is that there's MANY more players whom MLB didn't want to name.

^What is so wrong with this statement? It's definitely a valid point... there are no younger players on this list. NONE. That's not sketchy to you?

Or do you believe that nobody, not one person in the MLB, is using or have been the past few years?


Honestly my man I don't address you anymore or respond to your questions. I just wanted to let you know for future references. You're ignored aswell so I won't even know if you respond.

 

[wstcoastgotti]

Honestly my man I don't address you anymore or respond to your questions. I just wanted to let you know for future references. You're ignored as well so I won't even know if you respond.
Man... I was asking objectively, with no bias in mind.

always appreciate the maturity tho

 

[mez 0ne]

Who would've thought it...Canseco contributed more to baseball this past decade than any other player.

 

[d e beatup]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

I wonder why there's so many Yankees/Former Yankees on that list.


Oh wait, doesn't someone work in the Sox front office?


That's got to be all coincidence....right?

Mitchell Report on Steroids

^^^ There is the link you need to get the back story on the reason why so many Yankees were implicated, because the maintrainer, McNamee, was an assistant strength & conditioning coach for the Yankees.

As far as I see it, the fact that the named players haven't come out guns blazing to deny the accusations is a strongimplicator of their guilt, IMO. I heard David Justice say that he wasn't going to spend money suing to prove his innocence if he knows he isn'tguilty. Well, if someone releases a public statement that widely accused several athletes/celebrities of being pedophiles, I'm pretty sure the accusedwould go out of their way to defend their name if they knew they weren't guilty. But in this situation, they haven't. The only difference betweenBonds & the new names listed in the report is Bonds often comes across as a jerk & has a horrible rapport with the media. If you're going to putan asterisk on Bonds' acheivements, you better do the same for Clemens & co.

 

[RyGuy45]

Clemens and Pettite, we're still waiting for you to come out from hiding

 

[joe twenty1]

Originally Posted by holdupstop23

Originally Posted by JoE TwEnTy1

Originally Posted by holdupstop23

Mets = 2000 World Series Champions

Right because only Clemens and Stanton where doing steriods and maybe not Ventura Piazza or Alfonzo right? Just because they werent caught doesnt mean they were innocent

You forgot your boy Pettite and Danny Neagle. With Clemens, those 3 won all 4 games.

And the dude that gave away most of these names was a damn Mets clubhouse attendant. If anything, the list should have been full of Mets.

But Pettitet supposedly didnt take anything untill 2002 the earliest so that eliminates him and Neagle it doesnt say when he started using but it saymost of hte checks came when he was in Colorado, after he was a Yankee.

 

[darthska]

RyGuy45 wrote:

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Clemens and Pettite, we're still waiting for you to come out from hiding

Pettite admits to using HGH

 

[ironmanfitness]

^ whats so funny he admitted it.....your not trying to understand where hes coming from

 

[wstcoastgotti]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3156189

Stark is a blind man... what's with people still tryin to give the Rocket the benefit of the doubt. All these dudes used, media needs to accept it.

 

[darthska]

IronmanFitness:

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whats so funny he admitted it.....your not trying to understand where hes coming from
You assume too much.

Where did I say it was funny that he admitted it?

I simply showed RyGuy that he admitted it, and I laughed.

I wasn't laughing that he admitted it.

I was laughing that...

 

[wstcoastgotti]

^

 

[ironmanfitness]

^ska i dont think u understand how serious drugs are in all of sports...i have a friend who was not allowed to play DUKE track bc she declined to take asubstance....now lets go to the pros....do you understnad that 90% of NFL is doping and prob 30% in baseball....so this mitchell report is extremelly flawed bcit singles out only 90 ppl and everyone else is off the hook...this guy spent 60 million dollars on two trainers and only the east coast.

 

[ironmanfitness]

^ur references to pop culture are so typical of the average 18 y/o NTer and cliche grow up

 

[wstcoastgotti]

only the east coast.
Half the Giants 2002 NL Champion team was in that report

Guess we didn't deserve that title anyways

 

[ironmanfitness]

well san fran is an exception you guys have BALC0....

 

[darthska]

IronmanFitness:

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ur references to pop culture are so typical of the average 18 y/o NTer and cliche grow up
You trying to make things personal again are typical of a 12 year old.

ur spelling is even worser than a 12 y/o

Grow up.

Stop making things personal (in other words, commenting about the person you're debating with) if you want to be taken seriously.

and learn to type right that would help a little no a lot

 

[ironmanfitness]

i guess mitchell didnt read this article...maybe his 60 million wasnt well spent...

BASEBALL
Angels' steroid link was Riggs
The infielder, one of 16 former Angels in report, made deals with, and introduced teammates to, Radomski. Matthews Jr. is also on list.
By Alex Kimball
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

December 14, 2007

Sixteen former Angels and Gary Matthews Jr. were connected to performance-enhancing drugs in baseball when the Mitchell Report was released Thursday. One ofthem, Adam Riggs, was responsible for introducing a steroid connection to Angels teammates, according to the report.

Riggs, an infielder in the Dodgers organization from 1994 to 2000, joined the Angels in 2003. With the Dodgers, he was a minor league teammate of catcher PaulLo Duca, who introduced Riggs to Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant who pleaded guilty to steroid distribution. Radomski met with formerSen. George Mitchell this year as part of a plea bargain and was a major source for the report.

Radomski said he "engaged in six to 10 transactions with Riggs from 2003 to 2005," selling him steroids and human growth hormone.

The report included copies of five checks and money orders from Riggs to Radomski.

Radomski said Riggs later referred Angels pitchers Brendan Donnelly and Bart Miadich to him. Radomski said he sold Deca-Durabolin, a steroid, to Donnelly in2004 for $250 to $300.

The report said that when the Boston Red Sox were considering trading for Donnelly in 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote ofDonnelly in an e-mail to team vice president Ben Charington: "He was a juice guy but his velocity hasn't changed a lot over the years. . . . If he wasa juice guy, he could be a breakdown candidate."

The Red Sox traded for Donnelly last December. He was 2-1 with a 3.05 earned-run average before suffering an elbow injury in June, and had reconstructionsurgery on his right elbow in August.

Only hours before the Mitchell Report came out Thursday, the Red Sox announced they would not offer Donnelly a contract for 2008. A team spokesman said therewas no connection between the move and the report.

"The club had no idea about names prior to release of this report," Red Sox spokesman John Blake told the Associated Press. "We didn't getanything until Mitchell released it at 2 o'clock. So there's no way that anybody had any inkling that Donnelly would be mentioned in that report."

Donnelly did not respond to phone messages left for him by The Times.

Miadich, who pitched briefly for the Angels in 2001 and 2003, bought steroids from Radomski from 2002 to 2005, according to Radomski.

Others who played for the Angels and were named in the report were Paul Byrd, Jason Christiansen, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Glenallen Hill,Wally Joyner, Kent Mercker, Scott Schoeneweis, Derrick Turnbow, Ismael Valdez, Mo Vaughn and Randy Velarde.

Commissioner Bud Selig recently suspended Guillen for 15 days, based on information from a New York investigation linking him to the use ofperformance-enhancing substances at a time those substances were banned under baseball rules and under penalties in place at the time.

Selig spared Matthews, Glaus and Schoeneweis because of "insufficient evidence" linking those players to the use of specific substances during a timethey were banned.

The Angels' only comment on the Mitchell report was a statement that said the team was "in full agreement with the recommendations from Sen. Mitchellas listed in the report, and the Angels will continue to support Commissioner Selig in his ongoing efforts to eliminate performance-enhancing drugs frombaseball.

"There is no place in the game for such substances, and we have and will continue to do what we can to eliminate them."

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too bad they only got 1 ring out of it

 

[darthska]

You stay trying to hurt feelings.

"Swing and a miss."

Thanks for posting the article, though. Much appreciated.