Malcolm X thread.

[gambit215]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

 Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

Stop it, any fan of Pac knows he didnt even WRITE Dear Mama.... and yo stop with the ignorance...no ENTERTAINER will have a profound impact on society the way MLK changed the planet..............Ill say this again and again till some of you guys get it. I was 13 when Pac died and I can tell you he was NOT LIKED AT ALL as far as the east coast is concerned, Afeni and Interscope did a tremendous job of rebuilding this mans character cuz Lord knows he did a hell of a job putting in the toilet. The last image of  Pac being alive is stomping out a crip....If he goes down in history as a bigger figure than MLK than we are really doomed.......... I dont know about some of you sometimes..........

As far as the discussion at hand, I for one was not alive in the 60's and Im 99 % sure none of you were either. So the way you guys speak about X like you guys were there is astounding. I'm pretty sure the mid 60's X had a following...................and it caused a stir, but to say he had as much impact as MLK is downright ignorant.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

 

[pusha c]

^^^^

WOOOOWW

 

[pusha c]

^^^^

WOOOOWW

 

[nat turner]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance
,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

 

[nat turner]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance
,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  


Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  


Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

 

[wesdenzel]

I dont think you should follow the same path as him and

dropping out of the ninth grade lol

but he did some great things

 

[wesdenzel]

I dont think you should follow the same path as him and

dropping out of the ninth grade lol

but he did some great things

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.

 

[Trey Bantz]

I'm not black but I have read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and have studied Martin Luther King's movement and this is what i get from both of them. Malcolm X wanted to break free from the economic and social dependence of whites, he believed that only blacks could help blacks and that whites would never have the minority's best interests at hand. King pleaded for equality, he wanted to be able to peacefully interact and go about business with the majority, basically he pleaded that whites don't walk all over them anymore. Now analyzing how between the two King's movement basically won and how things are almost 50 years later I truly believe that Malcolm X's method would've demanded much more respect and would've left blacks much better off economically and socially. I live in Miami and although it isn't considered the deep South racism still runs deep around these parts, generally speaking whites do not see blacks as complete equals and many blacks still have that inferiority complex and aspire only to have steady jobs that will get them by, they do not seem to aspire to hold the positions that whites do. Differences in the educational system are still shown, de jure segregation may have been outlawed decades ago but de facto segregation is still very much in place and to put it simply, the "black schools" are just not up to par with the "white schools". I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective on all this but from my point of view there is still much work to do in terms of race relations in this country, the problem is that after the Civil Rights Movement blacks were no longer in the forefront, many people believed that it was enough and that no more needed to be done. And although electing a black president is a huge step forward it also has its cons because many whites now have this mentality that, well if a black man was elected president then they have all the same opportunities to succeed that we do, and that is simply not the case. I do not hold the views of any of my ignorant white peers, I'm just trying to show you guys what the majority thinks and to be frank if you heard a group of whites talking about what they truly feel about black people you all would believe that you were still living in the 1950's, it's sad but it's true, there is still much work to be done.

 

[Trey Bantz]

I'm not black but I have read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and have studied Martin Luther King's movement and this is what i get from both of them. Malcolm X wanted to break free from the economic and social dependence of whites, he believed that only blacks could help blacks and that whites would never have the minority's best interests at hand. King pleaded for equality, he wanted to be able to peacefully interact and go about business with the majority, basically he pleaded that whites don't walk all over them anymore. Now analyzing how between the two King's movement basically won and how things are almost 50 years later I truly believe that Malcolm X's method would've demanded much more respect and would've left blacks much better off economically and socially. I live in Miami and although it isn't considered the deep South racism still runs deep around these parts, generally speaking whites do not see blacks as complete equals and many blacks still have that inferiority complex and aspire only to have steady jobs that will get them by, they do not seem to aspire to hold the positions that whites do. Differences in the educational system are still shown, de jure segregation may have been outlawed decades ago but de facto segregation is still very much in place and to put it simply, the "black schools" are just not up to par with the "white schools". I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective on all this but from my point of view there is still much work to do in terms of race relations in this country, the problem is that after the Civil Rights Movement blacks were no longer in the forefront, many people believed that it was enough and that no more needed to be done. And although electing a black president is a huge step forward it also has its cons because many whites now have this mentality that, well if a black man was elected president then they have all the same opportunities to succeed that we do, and that is simply not the case. I do not hold the views of any of my ignorant white peers, I'm just trying to show you guys what the majority thinks and to be frank if you heard a group of whites talking about what they truly feel about black people you all would believe that you were still living in the 1950's, it's sad but it's true, there is still much work to be done.

 

[dena up]

There are a lot of great points being made in here, I enjoy threads like this.
Trey ohh five you pretty much summed up my thoughts, progress has been made in this country
when it comes o race relations but we have a long way to go.

 

[dena up]

There are a lot of great points being made in here, I enjoy threads like this.
Trey ohh five you pretty much summed up my thoughts, progress has been made in this country
when it comes o race relations but we have a long way to go.

 

[bdeazy]

I appreciate Malcolm X's experience/thinking/execution > MLK

But what MLK stood for, was far greater.

 

[bdeazy]

I appreciate Malcolm X's experience/thinking/execution > MLK

But what MLK stood for, was far greater.

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by trey ohh five

I'm not black but I have read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and have studied Martin Luther King's movement and this is what i get from both of them. Malcolm X wanted to break free from the economic and social dependence of whites, he believed that only blacks could help blacks and that whites would never have the minority's best interests at hand. King pleaded for equality, he wanted to be able to peacefully interact and go about business with the majority, basically he pleaded that whites don't walk all over them anymore. Now analyzing how between the two King's movement basically won and how things are almost 50 years later I truly believe that Malcolm X's method would've demanded much more respect and would've left blacks much better off economically and socially. I live in Miami and although it isn't considered the deep South racism still runs deep around these parts, generally speaking whites do not see blacks as complete equals and many blacks still have that inferiority complex and aspire only to have steady jobs that will get them by, they do not seem to aspire to hold the positions that whites do. Differences in the educational system are still shown, de jure segregation may have been outlawed decades ago but de facto segregation is still very much in place and to put it simply, the "black schools" are just not up to par with the "white schools". I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective on all this but from my point of view there is still much work to do in terms of race relations in this country, the problem is that after the Civil Rights Movement blacks were no longer in the forefront, many people believed that it was enough and that no more needed to be done. And although electing a black president is a huge step forward it also has its cons because many whites now have this mentality that, well if a black man was elected president then they have all the same opportunities to succeed that we do, and that is simply not the case. I do not hold the views of any of my ignorant white peers, I'm just trying to show you guys what the majority thinks and to be frank if you heard a group of whites talking about what they truly feel about black people you all would believe that you were still living in the 1950's, it's sad but it's true, there is still much work to be done.

A+ post.  The part about blacks being content with just holding jobs is changing though.  With people like Jordan being majority owner, Tyler Perry with his own studio, Diddy with his Ciroc and Bad Boy, Obama as President, it is making more young Blacks believe that they should strive to reach the top. 

I agree with much of what you have said.  Also, I know some Black people that can blend in with Whites because of their complexion or hair, and they tell me about how many of these Whites really feel about Black people. 

  

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by trey ohh five

I'm not black but I have read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and have studied Martin Luther King's movement and this is what i get from both of them. Malcolm X wanted to break free from the economic and social dependence of whites, he believed that only blacks could help blacks and that whites would never have the minority's best interests at hand. King pleaded for equality, he wanted to be able to peacefully interact and go about business with the majority, basically he pleaded that whites don't walk all over them anymore. Now analyzing how between the two King's movement basically won and how things are almost 50 years later I truly believe that Malcolm X's method would've demanded much more respect and would've left blacks much better off economically and socially. I live in Miami and although it isn't considered the deep South racism still runs deep around these parts, generally speaking whites do not see blacks as complete equals and many blacks still have that inferiority complex and aspire only to have steady jobs that will get them by, they do not seem to aspire to hold the positions that whites do. Differences in the educational system are still shown, de jure segregation may have been outlawed decades ago but de facto segregation is still very much in place and to put it simply, the "black schools" are just not up to par with the "white schools". I'm just trying to give you guys a different perspective on all this but from my point of view there is still much work to do in terms of race relations in this country, the problem is that after the Civil Rights Movement blacks were no longer in the forefront, many people believed that it was enough and that no more needed to be done. And although electing a black president is a huge step forward it also has its cons because many whites now have this mentality that, well if a black man was elected president then they have all the same opportunities to succeed that we do, and that is simply not the case. I do not hold the views of any of my ignorant white peers, I'm just trying to show you guys what the majority thinks and to be frank if you heard a group of whites talking about what they truly feel about black people you all would believe that you were still living in the 1950's, it's sad but it's true, there is still much work to be done.

A+ post.  The part about blacks being content with just holding jobs is changing though.  With people like Jordan being majority owner, Tyler Perry with his own studio, Diddy with his Ciroc and Bad Boy, Obama as President, it is making more young Blacks believe that they should strive to reach the top. 

I agree with much of what you have said.  Also, I know some Black people that can blend in with Whites because of their complexion or hair, and they tell me about how many of these Whites really feel about Black people. 

  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.




See my convo with Torgoriff, I'm actually open to his conspiracy theorist ideas but there's a limit. When some people make overtly ignorant statements, and it becomes obvious they have only read one book in their lives or get most of their opinions from youtube videos, I can't work with them.

With NTers like Nat Turner it's pretty obvious in some arguments that he does it for the sake of arguing with me.


With most arguments I have on NT about ignorance and for eg. religion, I am NOT doing a disservice to myself by subscribing to that kind of mentality. Stop that.

Again my more or less ambivalent views on a lot of topics is what certain NTers have an issue with. I have some pro-black sentiments, yet I call them out for stupidity and ignorance. NTers only choose to focus on the negatives. I have some "black" tastes (entertainment, philosophy,literature etc) and some "non-black" ones...but some ignorant black NTers see this as a rejection of all things black rather than an appreciation of diversity.



Waits for NTer to say I hate myself and I'm confused about who I am.

 I know how you people think (and by you people I don't necessarily mean black people).

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by torgriffith

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.

If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I.  end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was? 

   I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.

Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).

But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.

Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.


As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).


LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.

This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.

Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.

So this ,

laughable weak-minded ignorance

,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?   

My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it. 
  

Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X

I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone

We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.

I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.

But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.




See my convo with Torgoriff, I'm actually open to his conspiracy theorist ideas but there's a limit. When some people make overtly ignorant statements, and it becomes obvious they have only read one book in their lives or get most of their opinions from youtube videos, I can't work with them.

With NTers like Nat Turner it's pretty obvious in some arguments that he does it for the sake of arguing with me.


With most arguments I have on NT about ignorance and for eg. religion, I am NOT doing a disservice to myself by subscribing to that kind of mentality. Stop that.

Again my more or less ambivalent views on a lot of topics is what certain NTers have an issue with. I have some pro-black sentiments, yet I call them out for stupidity and ignorance. NTers only choose to focus on the negatives. I have some "black" tastes (entertainment, philosophy,literature etc) and some "non-black" ones...but some ignorant black NTers see this as a rejection of all things black rather than an appreciation of diversity.



Waits for NTer to say I hate myself and I'm confused about who I am.

 I know how you people think (and by you people I don't necessarily mean black people).

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey




Again my more or less ambivalent views on a lot of topics is what certain NTers have an issue with. I have some pro-black sentiments, yet I call them out for stupidity and ignorance. NTers only choose to focus on the negatives. I have some "black" tastes (entertainment, philosophy,literature etc) and some "non-black" ones...but some ignorant black NTers see this as a rejection of all things black rather than an appreciation of diversity.

Dude,  Dlck Cheney is more pro-black than you. 
  

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey




Again my more or less ambivalent views on a lot of topics is what certain NTers have an issue with. I have some pro-black sentiments, yet I call them out for stupidity and ignorance. NTers only choose to focus on the negatives. I have some "black" tastes (entertainment, philosophy,literature etc) and some "non-black" ones...but some ignorant black NTers see this as a rejection of all things black rather than an appreciation of diversity.

Dude,  Dlck Cheney is more pro-black than you.