Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Which means that you aren't pro-black.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Well I'm sorry bro, the %#++ Cheney statement definitely insinuated it. Stop tryna play smart with me, you're just like the "rest of them". What it means to be pro-black is an opinion aint it? Values I consider harmful/detrimental to the black race another black person may think it makes you a strong, consummate black person. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm not any more or less "pro-black" than the average person who claims to be. I'm a humanist, irregardless of race.
Which means that you aren't pro-black.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Well I'm sorry bro, the %#++ Cheney statement definitely insinuated it. Stop tryna play smart with me, you're just like the "rest of them". What it means to be pro-black is an opinion aint it? Values I consider harmful/detrimental to the black race another black person may think it makes you a strong, consummate black person. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm not any more or less "pro-black" than the average person who claims to be. I'm a humanist, irregardless of race.
Respect... much respect.
Tokenism fam. Since slavery ended (so to speak), a few blacks have always been able to achieve a certain degree of success while the situation is as bad as ever for the masses of black folks, so nothing besides Obama's national political success is new. And of the four examples you named, three of them are in sports or entertainment, so more black youth thinking they should strive to be like them is NOT a good look and is leading them astray from reality and from channeling and developing their potential in other areas. They actually serve as detriments in my opinion.
Respect... much respect.
Tokenism fam. Since slavery ended (so to speak), a few blacks have always been able to achieve a certain degree of success while the situation is as bad as ever for the masses of black folks, so nothing besides Obama's national political success is new. And of the four examples you named, three of them are in sports or entertainment, so more black youth thinking they should strive to be like them is NOT a good look and is leading them astray from reality and from channeling and developing their potential in other areas. They actually serve as detriments in my opinion.
Originally Posted by cguy610
Which means that you aren't pro-black.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Well I'm sorry bro, the %#++ Cheney statement definitely insinuated it. Stop tryna play smart with me, you're just like the "rest of them". What it means to be pro-black is an opinion aint it? Values I consider harmful/detrimental to the black race another black person may think it makes you a strong, consummate black person. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm not any more or less "pro-black" than the average person who claims to be. I'm a humanist, irregardless of race.
You left yourself open by saying that you have pro-black sentiments.
Originally Posted by cguy610
Which means that you aren't pro-black.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by cguy610
Anton, tell me what it is to be black/racist.
Also, your argument fails because I never said that you loved white people. Nor did I say that you hated black people. My comparison was on the extent to which you claim to be pro-black.
Well I'm sorry bro, the %#++ Cheney statement definitely insinuated it. Stop tryna play smart with me, you're just like the "rest of them". What it means to be pro-black is an opinion aint it? Values I consider harmful/detrimental to the black race another black person may think it makes you a strong, consummate black person. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm not any more or less "pro-black" than the average person who claims to be. I'm a humanist, irregardless of race.
You left yourself open by saying that you have pro-black sentiments.
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?Originally Posted by Nat Turner
This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by torgriffith
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.
If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I. end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was?
I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.
Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).
But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.
Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.
As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).
LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.
Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.
So this ,
My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it.
Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X
I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone
We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.
I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
But at the same time of you simply just take the opposite sided view and become arrogant about your opinions being questioned resistant to understanding another persons views you are gulity of a disservice to yourself. We can agree that we as a world need change, but if we ourselves are set in our ways then nothing is going to change and the situation will become worse.Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
,of which you speak, actually speaks volumes of your own personal inadequacies, both socially and intellectually. There is nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box, however in your attempt to do so, you've actually subjected yourself to the will of others, as you *worship* the acknowledgement that has been bestowed upon you in this very thread. Quite ironic isn't it?Originally Posted by Nat Turner
This thread is about championing someone who became a world figure, while coming from humble means. He didn't go to college, and he was not wealthy, yet he influenced more people to become educated not only in the classroom, but in their world view.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by torgriffith
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Reads comments about Tupac (who I love bdw but come on son) and NatTurner's comments.
If you weren't an african american in the hood areas of america when pac first came out and you did not witness what happened first hand to the people, then you cannot relate like I. end of tupac bashing discussion. Ya'll are really discrediting dude as an artist the way ya'll got him locked into some small little category of entertaining yall's thug fantasy lifestyle and don't understand the full weight of his work. Do you have any idea how profound Dear Momma was?
I think Tupac did a good job in opening America's eyes to a lot of social ills, however there is a side of his persona may have instilled many negative/destructive values in young black children. I wouldn't look to Tupac as a role model for black children, but that's just my opinion.
Waits for someone to make an excuse for his "thug image" and how this was just a reflection of his environment and his upbringing. Which is true, but if he were smart enough and really wanted to effect positive change he could have still exposed the America to the ills of society in his music without gratifying violence, beef and misogyny (well he contradicted himself in his sentiments toward women).
But then again, if he didn't approach rap music this way...no one would buy his albums.
Everybody sells out "their own people" in one way or the other.
As much as he liked to portray himself as such, Tupac was NOT a Martry....MLK died for a cause/his beliefs, Tupac died because of stupidity (rap beef...and east coast west coast nonsense).
LOL @ these pro-black people who are always concerned about "white people laughing at them" but look past a lot of laughable weak-minded ignorance in the black community.
Dr. King did NOT do this, Malcolm X did.
So this ,
My personal opinion of Tupac Shakur is that he was an idiot on certain levels, brilliant on others. Studying his personality, he was someone who was desperate to be liked. I didn't care for him nor most of his music, but when it comes to enlightenment, I do not knock where people may find that influence. If you read what I said carefully, I noted the possible influence, but not comparing Tupac to King. That is not possible. But what I will say is that I never knew about Patrice Lumumba until I read the Autobigraphy Of Malcolm X, and I never knew about the conflict between the Irish and the Jews, until I read that same book. Wherever it comes from, I do not question it, If some young brother or sister finds their voice and motivation to learn from a Tupac cut, so be it.
Lol I have no idea what you're talking about with those first few sentences, you don't even know what/who my last comment was directed at. It had nothing to do with Malcom X
I have no idea what you were getting at with the thinking outside the box comment so I'll leave that alone
We actually somewhat agree on our opinion on Tupac.
I'm starting to get the feeling that's the only book some posers in here have read in their lives. Talk about getting a one-sided view of the world.
Well, Black people continue to face more injustice than other groups of people in this country, so why not give more attention to black people. Especially if they look like you and go through similar experiences.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Oh so the issue here.......is that I'm not solely pro-black but pro-justice for all disenfranchised groups of people. So black people are like last born children who need my undivided attention?
So me supporting Mandela, MLK and Obama and the black civil rights movement......but also shunning mistreatment/unfair treatment of other peoples like the Jews, Native Americans, Women, Homosexuals, as well as prejudices and ignorance within the black community makes me less "pro-black"?
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Well, Black people continue to face more injustice than other groups of people in this country, so why not give more attention to black people. Especially if they look like you and go through similar experiences.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Oh so the issue here.......is that I'm not solely pro-black but pro-justice for all disenfranchised groups of people. So black people are like last born children who need my undivided attention?
So me supporting Mandela, MLK and Obama and the black civil rights movement......but also shunning mistreatment/unfair treatment of other peoples like the Jews, Native Americans, Women, Homosexuals, as well as prejudices and ignorance within the black community makes me less "pro-black"?
d ign
It's buffoonery. He does not realize that he can have the same friends and aquaintances, then without alienating them, by being a bit more conscious of how he posts his views. He loves the pat on the back from those who agree with him, even if that pat on the back is subversive in nature.Originally Posted by cguy610
Well, Black people continue to face more injustice than other groups of people in this country, so why not give more attention to black people. Especially if they look like you and go through similar experiences.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Oh so the issue here.......is that I'm not solely pro-black but pro-justice for all disenfranchised groups of people. So black people are like last born children who need my undivided attention?
So me supporting Mandela, MLK and Obama and the black civil rights movement......but also shunning mistreatment/unfair treatment of other peoples like the Jews, Native Americans, Women, Homosexuals, as well as prejudices and ignorance within the black community makes me less "pro-black"?
d ign
Also what it is, is that you try so hard to be PC and fair and balanced that you are willing to overlook racial injustices just so that you don't appear to be giving preferential treatment to a disenfranchised group.
