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Do people really believe in that 9/11 conspiracy *!$@@##!?
Local NYC board backs plan to build mosque near Ground Zero
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What in your opinion wasn't an inside job? What is real to you?
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WTC 7 dropped for no reason. And on top of that, the WTC buildings fell when scientists proved that fire alone couldn't drop those.
Than, they find the passports in perfect condition on the ground amongst all that debris and rubble after the buildings dropped...
That's just the tip of the iceberg we playing with...
Than, they find the passports in perfect condition on the ground amongst all that debris and rubble after the buildings dropped...
Spoiler [+]
That's just the tip of the iceberg we playing with...
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^Can you answer my questions? What wasn't an inside job? What is real to you?
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i really don't know man. but i don't automatically think someones a moron if they wana question what happened on 9/11. there are just many things that are "off" about what happened that day
im more inclined to belive that the administration expolited a tragedy than actually set one up though. i dont think they planned on an attack on their own people but there isn't much left that can happen in this world that would shock me
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I never said anyone is a moron for believing in the 9/11 conspiracy. I just want to know what one believes isn't a conspiracy and what is reality to said person.
I'm making a point here and will explain in depth but I want to hear answers to my questions first.
I'm making a point here and will explain in depth but I want to hear answers to my questions first.
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I find it funny the same mental midgets who were saying "they hate us for our freedoms" are now trying to deny citizens freedoms (Not at anyone in this thread that I know of but in general)
Do people not realize that the "terrorists" won???... The minute we abandoned all of our damn principles in our constitution.. We ripped up our values & principles, threw them out the window into a pile of dog !**%.. That's what the "terrorists" wanted to prove the big bad almighty United States is no better than they are or anyone.. We did all this because we got scared... Because we saw the boogeyman... 9/11 was a traumatic day, I was 10 when it happened and I remember crying...
But instead of standing strong and saying no we will not change our way of life.. We decided to torture, to prosecute without due process, invasion of privacy, warrant less wiretaps, politics driven by fear and bullying, the killing of the 1st amendment, etc. etc....
This is *$!+@@% despicable... Does no one else see this?
Does no one else see that we fell for their trap?... We did every exact thing they wanted us too.. And look where it got us...
These @%#%%$%* who say they are sticking up for Americans and those who died or were part of the rescue team of 9/11 are talking out their !%%. They are doing the exact opposite and crippling America at the same time..
Why is this even a question?? Why do we even need to discuss this? It is a Constitutional Right... And the Conservatives are ripping up every god damn thing in the constitution and then saying Democrats are... And weak ******* like Harry Reid buckle under the pressure.. Grow some *$!+@@% balls...
A strong nation stands up for what it believes in... The "terrorists" tested us and knew how we'd react... We are a WEAK Nation... Acting like cowards to the force of a handful...
I am so *$!+@@% angry over this...
Call it what it is... Those who claim to be "STRONG" on Defense & Terrorism are the weakest ******* in history... Bunch of soft Pau Gasol types.. Crying every chance they can get... Stand up for this country.. Not hiding behind the events of one date to step aside to allow the attacks of what we believe in...
Do people not realize that the "terrorists" won???... The minute we abandoned all of our damn principles in our constitution.. We ripped up our values & principles, threw them out the window into a pile of dog !**%.. That's what the "terrorists" wanted to prove the big bad almighty United States is no better than they are or anyone.. We did all this because we got scared... Because we saw the boogeyman... 9/11 was a traumatic day, I was 10 when it happened and I remember crying...
But instead of standing strong and saying no we will not change our way of life.. We decided to torture, to prosecute without due process, invasion of privacy, warrant less wiretaps, politics driven by fear and bullying, the killing of the 1st amendment, etc. etc....
This is *$!+@@% despicable... Does no one else see this?
Does no one else see that we fell for their trap?... We did every exact thing they wanted us too.. And look where it got us...
These @%#%%$%* who say they are sticking up for Americans and those who died or were part of the rescue team of 9/11 are talking out their !%%. They are doing the exact opposite and crippling America at the same time..
Why is this even a question?? Why do we even need to discuss this? It is a Constitutional Right... And the Conservatives are ripping up every god damn thing in the constitution and then saying Democrats are... And weak ******* like Harry Reid buckle under the pressure.. Grow some *$!+@@% balls...
A strong nation stands up for what it believes in... The "terrorists" tested us and knew how we'd react... We are a WEAK Nation... Acting like cowards to the force of a handful...
I am so *$!+@@% angry over this...
Call it what it is... Those who claim to be "STRONG" on Defense & Terrorism are the weakest ******* in history... Bunch of soft Pau Gasol types.. Crying every chance they can get... Stand up for this country.. Not hiding behind the events of one date to step aside to allow the attacks of what we believe in...
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Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
WTC 7 dropped for no reason. And on top of that, the WTC buildings fell when scientists proved that fire alone couldn't drop those.
Than, they find the passports in perfect condition on the ground amongst all that debris and rubble after the buildings dropped...
Spoiler [+]
That's just the tip of the iceberg we playing with...
Of course fire alone couldn't drop them, you seem to ignore the fact that they'd just been hit by planes that were going 300 miles per hour.
You find scientists who say one thing, I can find some who say another. It's about common sense. Even I can understand that a fire that might not be hot enough to melt the structure of the building, but it could definitely weaken it. After being hit by a 767, any building is going to be severely damaged structurally. On top of this, you're adding the extra weight of the planes wreckage to a weakened structure that now has fires burning inside it that cannot be reached to be extinguished. Yet it's impossible that the buildings collapsed on their own?
They found one passport on the ground. Improbable? Yes. Impossible? No.
WTC 7 was, as should be understood by anyone, hit by debris from the other two buildings collapsing. Clearly this may also have damaged that building, causing the structure to become unstable.
Why are these things so hard to grasp?
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well i looked up simulacrum and i don't see anything complimentary about it
the things i question are how the investigation was handled, building 7 and insurance related issues, people in the building who heard secondary explosions (many saying from the basement) and that the goverment was running a series of tests on 9/11 that were similar to what happened that day, how the 9/11 investigation was handled. some white people got arrested in the following days and we never heard about it again.
it's been so long that i honestly can't even go to detail about those things anymore. the info is there if you wanna waste your time. i dont know whats fact and fiction anymore, thete are massive amounts of propoganda on both sides
i've never believed that bush and Cheney were sitting in a room and hatched this massive conspiracy. but there are just too many "fishy" things about that day and how the investigation was treated that im ready to belive the goberment's story 100%
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"Sec. of State Colin Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no 'smoking gun' proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of al-Qaeda.'I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection,' Powell said." [NY Times, 1/9/04]
The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.� [NY Times, 6/27/03]
U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. 'We have found no evidence of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda,' said Europe's top investigator. 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.'" [LA Times, 11/4/02]
there are many financial "coincidences" that was posted way back . this is too perfect a job; always somebody on the inside
please proceed however
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Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
Funny how you have done a complete 180 politically over the years
Also don't believe this 9/11 BS. If you actually believe some untrained Muslims that took a couple of cessna flying lessons was able to control these planes in the way that they did, especially into the pentagon (worlds most secure building with no video of any plane?) then you are naive
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So you're using examples where government officials came out and admitted they lied to prove that there was in fact a conspiracy, that they're still lying about?Originally Posted by roc4life24
"Sec. of State Colin Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no 'smoking gun' proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of al-Qaeda.'I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection,' Powell said." [NY Times, 1/9/04]
The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein.� [NY Times, 6/27/03]
U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. 'We have found no evidence of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda,' said Europe's top investigator. 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.'" [LA Times, 11/4/02]
there are many financial "coincidences" that was posted way back . this is too perfect a job; always somebody on the inside
please proceed however
Oh, okay.
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i used that to say the clearly this "war" was thought out and 9/11 was a means to a end to do it. they lied about the actual reasons for going to war and who attacked NYC so i cant put anything past this country, the military industrial complex in particular.
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See, if this were a huge secret then yes, you'd have a point. But again, it isn't. Neocons blatantly called for ousting Saddam during the Clinton years in a number of articles, speeches, etc etc. If they planned on simply blaming Iraq and Saddam for the 9/11 attacks they would have. And in fact, they tried to. But it was fruitless because there was in fact no link. They had to first go after the true culprits, Al Qaeda, who had been attacking U.S. interests in the Middle East and North Africa since the late 90s/early 00s. Then, as you showed, they tried to tie Al Qaeda and Iraq/Saddam by the thinnest of threads and it didn't work which is why we were convinced, due to bad intelligence, that Iraq was a true global threat and had WMDs, when in reality they probably weren't even a threat to their neighboring countries, and the Neocons wanted to finish the job that the previous Bush administration decided against.
If anything, this is the only conspiracy here. And it isn't even a conspiracy because its blatantly obvious.
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CallHimAR wrote:
Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
WTC 7 dropped for no reason. And on top of that, the WTC buildings fell when scientists proved that fire alone couldn't drop those.
Than, they find the passports in perfect condition on the ground amongst all that debris and rubble after the buildings dropped...
Spoiler [+]
That's just the tip of the iceberg we playing with...
WTC 7 was, as should be understood by anyone, hit by debris from the other two buildings collapsing. Clearly this may also have damaged that building, causing the structure to become unstable.
Why are these things so hard to grasp?
Yes, the Leaseholder of WTC 7 Larry Silverstein admitted to "pulling" the building that day the other 2 buildings dropped.
If the plane colliding into the building alone was strong enough to knock the down the towers, they would have dropped immediately. Otherwise, fire would have been the cause hence the delay of the dropping after they were hit. Therefore, fire was the MAIN reason why the buildings dropped in a constructive fashion*.
So you may be right*.
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9/11 had to be an inside job.
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It doesn't even seem like the people arguing against the construction of the mosque/community center realize the prejudice essential in their position. Imagine if people embraced this opportunity to create interfaith dialogue and healing... instead, people want to cling to their prejudices and bigotry under the auspices of "patriotism," "sensitivity," etc. To those that lost someone in 9/11, my heart goes out to them but that is NO excuse for the bigotry which permeates their entire position.
You seem to feel like you can demand explanations and answers from people... and then not even respond to their posts. You did the same thing in the Malcolm X thread. Like, who are you?
Preach
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Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
CallHimAR wrote:
Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
WTC 7 dropped for no reason. And on top of that, the WTC buildings fell when scientists proved that fire alone couldn't drop those.
Than, they find the passports in perfect condition on the ground amongst all that debris and rubble after the buildings dropped...
Spoiler [+]
That's just the tip of the iceberg we playing with...
WTC 7 was, as should be understood by anyone, hit by debris from the other two buildings collapsing. Clearly this may also have damaged that building, causing the structure to become unstable.
Why are these things so hard to grasp?
Yes, the Leaseholder of WTC 7 Larry Silverstein admitted to "pulling" the building that day the other 2 buildings dropped.
If the plane colliding into the building alone was strong enough to knock the down the towers, they would have dropped immediately. Otherwise, fire would have been the cause hence the delay of the dropping after they were hit. Therefore, fire was the MAIN reason why the buildings dropped in a constructive fashion*.
So you may be right*.
I wasn't saying that the plane hitting the building was strong enough alone to take the buildings down. I was saying that the combination of the planes hitting the buildings, the extra weight added to the now damaged buildings by the planes and the raging fires that could not be attended to all played a part in the buildings coming down.
Glad we can somewhat agree.
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^I'm just asking. If people can make the leap that 9/11 is an inside job, I wonder what they actually believe in and what is real to them. Again, I'm just asking. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I'm a nobody on the internet just like you. This discussion will fade into oblivion just like the last and next one.
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To elaborate on the point Olbermann made at the tail end of the video.
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Good to know extremism is limited to Islam, and Islam alone.
Who's saying that Islam is the only intolerant religion? As a conservative myself, I completely condemn what Bryan Fischer has said in that article. He sounds like a damn fool. But I think this is getting away from the primary issue of this thread. Is it right to have a mosque built so close to Ground Zero?
I say they can build there. But just because it's legally right, does it also make it morally right? I think it's insensitive to have it built there.
Would it be chill to build a "Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?" (taken from another board - not a right-wing one!).
