[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

[CP1708]

"IDIOTS!!!", you'll say (with that same lack of extensive access).

Well, remember, I'm not qualified to even speak on the NBA, remember?

 

[darthska]

I ain't said that.

Question still stands, and my point still remains.

 

[grandtheftbike]

there's no guarantees that there are no guarantees

in silver we trust

 

[darthska]

Hell, you even said you don't have the same access as NBA scouts, so by your own admission, you don't know EVERYTHING when it comes to a player.

But let's wait till draft night. 

 

[licensed to ball]

Dat Ska Ether

Spoiler

dat instigation

 

[sea manup]

 

so in recent memory we have these top 5-10 status players moving from one team to another

melo to ny
bron to miami
bosh to miami
cp3 to LA (twice)
dwight to LA
dwight to Hou
ray to boston
KG to boston
AI to denver
Tmac to Hou
Harden to Hou

all these guys were in/close to their primes when switching teams, out of all these guys only dwight (LA > Hou) switched teams using freeagency, everyone else was a sign and trade or trade

if we want to get the next big star via trade and not the draft than we need assets to trade, we dont have anything worth anything to give away to get a big name player. signing a freeagent star almost never happens and when it does the free agent star will be giving up a bunch of money in order to switch teams (see dwight howard). no one will be willing to turn down free money to come play for a trash lakers team

We're going to be in the same/similar position the Heat, Knicks, and Bulls were in 2010 after next season save Kobe's contract and for certain in 2016 if we strike out. Money to throw at a myriad of guys, that won't be the issue. If we're seen as a joke, that'll be a different issue.

the reason why lebron choose miami rather than NY or anywhere else is because he knew he couldnt win a championship alone (no one can) so he went to the only city of of the three that you listed with an established star (that was drafted by miami). 2010 wade is a million times more attractive for potential free agents than 80 year old kobe and whatever else we have

 

[licensed to ball]

there's no guarantees that there are no guarantees

 

[sea manup]

CP has never said that one guy will be 100% better than the next guy, sure he has a list and order of draft picks that he likes but i doubt he will tell you that its impossible for #3 on his list to turn out better than #1

what he will tell you with 100% confidence (and what he has been telling you) is that a higher draft pick is better than a lower draft pick, not player A drafted at 3 is better than player B drafted at 6 but the ability for a team to draft at 3 is always going to be better than a team that cant pick until 3 spots later. but you dont need to be an expert at anything to see that

 

[licensed to ball]

CP's younger brother, is that you?

 

[CP1708]

Hell, you even said you don't have the same access as NBA scouts, so by your own admission, you don't know EVERYTHING when it comes to a player.

But let's wait till draft night. 

When did I say I know everything about a player? Any player?

I said that, somewhere, before?


I've said that I, and others like me, can base our judgments off what we DO see, games, etc, but in terms of people wanting guarantees, if I can't talk to the guy, and see how he works out, and ask him direction questions, how can I, lil ol me, know what he's all about?

 

[darthska]

 
CP has never said that one guy will be 100% better than the next guy, sure he has a list and order of draft picks that he likes but i doubt he will tell you that its impossible for #3 on his list to turn out better than #1

what he will tell you with 100% confidence (and what he has been telling you) is that a higher draft pick is better than a lower draft pick, not player A drafted at 3 is better than player B drafted at 6 but the ability for a team to draft at 3 is always going to be better than a team that cant pick until 3 spots later. but you dont need to be an expert at anything to see that

If the difference between the 2 people being discussed is anything less than Rodman's Laker #, there is NO CHANCE CP concedes the possibility of his lower players ending up great or his higher players being busts.

 

[darthska]

 

Hell, you even said you don't have the same access as NBA scouts, so by your own admission, you don't know EVERYTHING when it comes to a player.

But let's wait till draft night. 

When did I say I know everything about a player? Any player?

I said that, somewhere, before?


I've said that I, and others like me, can base our judgments off what we DO see, games, etc, but in terms of people wanting guarantees, if I can't talk to the guy, and see how he works out, and ask him direction questions, how can I, lil ol me, know what he's all about?

Awesome. 

So when people are talking about seeing potential in guys you're not too high on, EVERY PART OF YOU will itch to let them know that they should NOT be looking at that guy, because blah, blah, and, blah...

... and I'll be quick to ask "WHOOOAAA! You talked to the guy in question? See how he works out? Ask him direct questions?"

Dis gon' be fun. *rubs hands*

I'm positive how this plays out. Positive. 

 

[sea manup]

 

 
CP has never said that one guy will be 100% better than the next guy, sure he has a list and order of draft picks that he likes but i doubt he will tell you that its impossible for #3 on his list to turn out better than #1

what he will tell you with 100% confidence (and what he has been telling you) is that a higher draft pick is better than a lower draft pick, not player A drafted at 3 is better than player B drafted at 6 but the ability for a team to draft at 3 is always going to be better than a team that cant pick until 3 spots later. but you dont need to be an expert at anything to see that

If the difference between the 2 people being discussed is anything less than Rodman's Laker #, there is NO CHANCE CP concedes the possibility of his lower players ending up great or his higher players being busts.

so if the difference between the 2 people being discussed is greater than rodman's #, CP might concede the possiility of his lower players ending up great or his higher player being a bust? 

 

[senorroboto2k5]

@ you guys typing in SAT math word problems

 

[CP1708]

I really wish I understood what was being asked of me right now.

What's the 1 and 3 thing? Who will be a better player? Or something else?


And if someone likes a player, for instance, a PF, but I have in my head that Kevin Love is coming, therefore, a PF is redundant, then the wiser pick would be somewhere else, correct?

If someone is saying they like this PG, and I like another, I don't really care, just so long as the position makes sense to the overall roster.

 

[CP1708]

@ you guys typing in SAT math word problems

Good, I'm not alone.


I have no ******* idea what CP thinks or is supposed to do. But he's certainly not as smart as they are trying to put together somehow. Need them to dumb it down for me, a lot.

 

[darthska]

 
CP has never said that one guy will be 100% better than the next guy, sure he has a list and order of draft picks that he likes but i doubt he will tell you that its impossible for #3 on his list to turn out better than #1

what he will tell you with 100% confidence (and what he has been telling you) is that a higher draft pick is better than a lower draft pick, not player A drafted at 3 is better than player B drafted at 6 but the ability for a team to draft at 3 is always going to be better than a team that cant pick until 3 spots later. but you dont need to be an expert at anything to see that

If the difference between the 2 people being discussed is anything less than Rodman's Laker #, there is NO CHANCE CP concedes the possibility of his lower players ending up great or his higher players being busts.

so if the difference between the 2 people being discussed is greater than rodman's #, CP might concede the possiility of his lower players ending up great or his higher player being a bust? 

If we take someone at #3 that CP has at 14 on his depth chart, there is NO CHANCE he concedes that player could be great.

 

[CP1708]

So when people are talking about seeing potential in guys you're not too high on, EVERY PART OF YOU will itch to let them know that they should NOT be looking at that guy, because blah, blah, and, blah...

I think I figured this part out.

So let me ask you. You know all the usuals in here. You read every reply, you live in here like I do, you know who is who.

You really expect some people to come in and give actual, observations, critical thinking, of players they seen for more than 11 seconds? Read more than a single paragraph "scouting report" from __ website, and factor in who else could/will be available, vs what we need, vs what system we currently employ?


Cuz that, is something I would call out, absolutely. Every time.

If someone came in with examples, and vids, and links, and I know watches, and follows the process (as much as folks like us can as outsiders) then I wouldn't have an issue with that.

But if you expect me to put up with Fire Mike D'Antoni, hire George Karl type replies, no, not in my lifetime. No sir.

You wanna pass on Wiggins because you have read and seen every single detail on Noah Vonleh, and see his game fitting our team to a T? And back that up. I'll take that under advisement and smile.

Say pass on Wiggins, cuz Vonleh, and I will take issue with that.


You see the difference in what I require? I'm fairly simple, really.

 

[CP1708]

If we take someone at #3 that CP has at 14 on his depth chart, there is NO CHANCE he concedes that player could be great.

Yes there is.

Tony Parker
Paul George
Marc Gasol
Gil Arenas
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash
Kawhi Leonard
Danny Granger
Klay Thompson
Andrew Bynum

If Mitch pulls a guy that has skill and talent, even tho I don't like him, I'll give the guy a chance. Hoping, Mitch is right.

Andrew Bynum is the absolute perfect example.

 

[darthska]

Draft night will tell.

Because I GUARANTEE we will pick someone you don't agree w/, or make a trade you don't agree w/, and I GUARANTEE that someone in here will back those moves, and you will want to e-slap them for their ignorance.

Not 'guaranteee' guarantee, because #NoGuarantees.

But I guarantee.

 

[CP1708]

If we trade the pick, then you can guarantee there will be a problem .

And walls of text.

And calls for Mitch's job.

Safe guarantee there.

 

[sea manup]

 

 
CP has never said that one guy will be 100% better than the next guy, sure he has a list and order of draft picks that he likes but i doubt he will tell you that its impossible for #3 on his list to turn out better than #1

what he will tell you with 100% confidence (and what he has been telling you) is that a higher draft pick is better than a lower draft pick, not player A drafted at 3 is better than player B drafted at 6 but the ability for a team to draft at 3 is always going to be better than a team that cant pick until 3 spots later. but you dont need to be an expert at anything to see that

If the difference between the 2 people being discussed is anything less than Rodman's Laker #, there is NO CHANCE CP concedes the possibility of his lower players ending up great or his higher players being busts.

so if the difference between the 2 people being discussed is greater than rodman's #, CP might concede the possiility of his lower players ending up great or his higher player being a bust? 

If we take someone at #3 that CP has at 14 on his depth chart, there is NO CHANCE he concedes that player could be great.

now im no expert on CP but i think the difference is that you're talking about the lakers actually picking #14 on his depth chart, while CP is talking about how he would respond to random NTer X posting about why the Lakers should take #14 and not #3.

if random NTer X comes in talking about why #14 is going to be as good or better than #3 than hes going to get hit with a bunch of 

 because random NTer X lacks credibility 

but if the lakers actually take #14 over the plethora of guys CP has ahead of him, since it would be mitch drafting #14, someone with a lot of credibility than my guess is that CP would rethink things and reevaluate #14's potential. he might still disagree with the pick but it would be less ludicrous for mitch to say #14 is better than it would be for random NTer X to say the same thing. because mitch has way more credibility 

 

[CP1708]

There is precedent by the way, in another sport.

I did not want the Dolphins to draft Ryan Tannehill. I was on record as saying so.

But they did, so I had to live with it.

And after 2 years, I like the kid. He ain't perfect, but I like his moxy, I like his arm, I like his fight, I like the flashes I see. Just needs some more polish, a little more help around him and I think he can be somebody.

The Lakers can do the same type of thing, as long as the player has skill, and fits what they plan on doing, I'll back them. If the pick makes no sense whatsoever, doesn't fit the system, doesn't blend with future free agent pursuits, I will say so on that too.

I don't exactly hide what my beliefs are, and I will report in when I am right, and when I am wrong.


Guaranteed.

 

[CP1708]

now im no expert on CP but i think the difference is that you're talking about the lakers actually picking #14 on his depth chart, while CP is talking about how he would respond to random NTer X posting about why the Lakers should take #14 and not #3.

if random NTer X comes in talking about why #14 is going to be as good or better than #3 than hes going to get hit with a bunch of because random NTer X lacks credibility

but if the lakers actually take #14 over the plethora of guys CP has ahead of him, since it would be mitch drafting #14, someone with a lot of credibility than my guess is that CP would rethink things and reevaluate #14's potential. he might still disagree with the pick but it would be less ludicrous for mitch to say #14 is better than it would be for random NTer X to say the same thing. because mitch has way more credibility

CP agrees.

 

[CP1708]

I have a feeling that I will be squarely in the crosshairs come Draft Night. Call me paranoid.