[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

[CP1708]

In fairness, not many souls on the planet that say naw, I don't need that 30 mil, thanks tho.


Pretty much a 1 in a few million chance someone like that would walk. But that's Dwight for ya.


And in the end, he won't win anything in Houston, and in 2-3 years, he'll be lookin to move on yet again.

 

[darthska]

^ Agreed.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

I'm not even sure Dwight's back will hold up in those 2-3 years.

I heard a few reports that doctors said it didn't look too good.

I also took it as a bad sign he second-guessed his decision to go to Houston for that fifth year from the Lakers. He clearly wanted to leave, but was still considering staying for that extra money. In my head I figured it was because he was unsure about his back.

I still think the Lakers dodged a bullet. And if his back holds up just fine, good for him.

 

[CP1708]

Yeah, I mean, he's been out a while the last month, and tho he has looked better, he still isn't winning this year, and if they make the play for Melo, I know he really isn't winning anytime soon.

But, maybe he's just resting right now and will be strong for the playoffs, we'll see.

 

[darthska]

Yeah, I mean, he's been out a while the last month, and tho he has looked better, he still isn't winning this year, and if they make the play for Melo, I know he really isn't winning anytime soon.

But, maybe he's just resting right now and will be strong for the playoffs, we'll see.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Serious question: how hard did you chuckle when you typed that?

0% of you believes that part.

Less than 0, even.

Negative 12% of you believes he's resting so he'll be beast in the playoffs.

 

[MVP]

The fate of our franchise lies in some ping pong balls, how the mighty have fallen...

 

[CP1708]

Yeah, I mean, he's been out a while the last month, and tho he has looked better, he still isn't winning this year, and if they make the play for Melo, I know he really isn't winning anytime soon.


But, maybe he's just resting right now and will be strong for the playoffs, we'll see.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Serious question: how hard did you chuckle when you typed that?

0% of you believes that part.

Less than 0, even.

Negative 12% of you believes he's resting so he'll be beast in the playoffs.

Just depends man. Kobe shut down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs and came back strong.

Maybe Dwight will have that same luck, I don't know. Backs are tricky, but I believe right now it's his ankle that's botherin him isn't it?

 

[CP1708]

The fate of our franchise lies in some ping pong balls, how the mighty have fallen...

The mighty were built on a coin flip.

This ain't nothin new.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Just depends man. Kobe shut down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs and came back strong.

Maybe Dwight will have that same luck, I don't know. Backs are tricky, but I believe right now it's his ankle that's botherin him isn't it?

Yeah, so they say.

 

[grandtheftbike]

what ever happened to dwerts torn labrum?

 

[lovehateself]

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Late post from Fridays game, can't say no to free tickets. Thought it might've been Nash's last game as a laker/of his career but mike d recently said Nash could play in another game

 

[darthska]

 

 

Yeah, I mean, he's been out a while the last month, and tho he has looked better, he still isn't winning this year, and if they make the play for Melo, I know he really isn't winning anytime soon.

But, maybe he's just resting right now and will be strong for the playoffs, we'll see.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Serious question: how hard did you chuckle when you typed that?

0% of you believes that part.

Less than 0, even.

Negative 12% of you believes he's resting so he'll be beast in the playoffs.

Just depends man. Kobe shut down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs and came back strong.

Maybe Dwight will have that same luck, I don't know. Backs are tricky, but I believe right now it's his ankle that's botherin him isn't it?

Bruh, don't have me type stuff on here that will make me sound like a Kobe fan. It will seriously mess w/ some folks' heads.

"Kobe came back strong, meaning Dwight could, too" is basically what you're saying ('basically', meaning I'm paraphrasing).

Adding a little more substance to that paraphrase: "One guy who works his TAIL off being an among the GREATEST at a VERY competitive position in today's NBA... meaning that another guy who whines and pouts and is a locker room jokester and is only the best at his position because everyone else is terrible and he's not terrible, he COULD also come back strong."

Nooooo.

WAY.

Dwight 'bout to have his lunch ate in the playoffs.

Dude is a kid. Pau is a female, Dwight is a kid. That's why the whole 'Kobe-Nash-Pau-Dwigh' thing didn't work. It was 2 old professionals and 2 lil b-words.

 

[kingjaffejo]

Yea looking back at things. As much as I knew D12 leaving would set us back as a franchise I was actually relieved when he chose to leave.

He has serious character flaws. He is so unauthentic in nature I believe he honestly doesn't know that he lies to himself about what he is. Such a big baby that can't look at himself and become great.

Mark my words I give it 2 years before D12 goes against McHale and gets him fired.

 

[MVP]

The mighty were built on a coin flip.

This ain't nothin new.

That was 30+ years ago I wasn't in middle school like you and ska to witness that.

And outside of the Spurs and now OKC, there's not be a lot of draft centered success in the modern NBA, just look at the Cavs, Kings, etc. so that's why I'm skeptical. I'm praying this pick is a game changer...

 

[CP1708]

The mighty were built on a coin flip.

This ain't nothin new.

That was 30+ years ago I wasn't in middle school like you and ska to witness that.

And outside of the Spurs and now OKC, there's not be a lot of draft centered success in the modern NBA, just look at the Cavs, Kings, etc. so that's why I'm skeptical. I'm praying this pick is a game changer...

You guys gotta stop doing that.

Stop pointing at the Cavs, and the Kings and saying that draft picks didn't help them. No ****. Mike in his prime couldn't help those bum *** franchises.

If your franchise has its head on straight, then you can ABSOLUTELY build your team the right way thru the draft. IF, your team has a brain.


The Bulls after Mike/Scottie had the pieces to rebuild. They pulled Brand, they pulled Artest, but they never quite finished the job.
Later they reloaded again. They pulled LaMarcus Aldrige, and right after that, D Rose and Noah. Imagine if they hadn't sold LMA for Tyson Chandler.


The Kings, Cavs, Bucks, etc such because their owners are cheap, their GM's have their hands tied, their markets suck, and they have to overpay for mediocre talent to even field a team.

WE, do not have to do ANY of that, so long as our owner and GM have a solid plan as well as backup plans.

 

[MVP]

The draft in itself is a crapshoot. You don't know how these guys are going to turn out. You think hindsight, Portland would have taken Oden over Durant knowing what they know now? Of course not. So yes a myriad of factors have to come together for it to work, but our FO isn't exactly looking as thoughtful and well oiled as they used to be, hence the skepticism. Maybe we'll be able to pull the next Kobe Bryant or maybe the next Luke Walton, you just never know until it happens or doesn't happen.

And with a lot of those teams, they had multiple drafts to build, we more than likely are going to have this ONE shot and that's it. It has to pan out or this will set us back for even longer.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

But since there aren't really any other ways to rebuild from this point, the draft is necessary. They just need to trust it. Similar to how they'd need to trust a FA signing to play up to his contract if they were on the fringe of being good.

The team is in a position where they need to use the draft pick to bring in some talent. There's no use wondering about busts.

 

[CP1708]

No man, it's not a crapshoot.

You ever wonder why Jerry West went Magic, Worthy, trade for Scott, AC Green, Divac, Elden Campbell, Lynch, Van Exel, Peeler, Jones, trade for Kobe, Fisher
even his second round picks netted Ruben Patterson, Doug Christie, etc etc.

Why do the Spurs land David, Elliot, Duncan, late round Parker, later round Manu, George Hill, Scola, trade for Kawhi, Splitter?

Scouting. Teaching. Coaching. Training.

Are they just a bunch of lucky dudes or something? It ain't no crapshoot, they see EXACTLY what they need to see, and then enhance those things. They make the pieces work, and the ones that they can spare, they flip for assets they need. (West flipping Eddie for Rice since he had Kobe, flipping Van Exel for Lue since he had Fisher) Spurs flipping Hill for Kawhi.

 

[MVP]

No man, it's not a crapshoot.

You ever wonder why Jerry West went Magic, Worthy, trade for Scott, AC Green, Divac, Elden Campbell, Lynch, Van Exel, Peeler, Jones, trade for Kobe, Fisher
even his second round picks netted Ruben Patterson, Doug Christie, etc etc.

Why do the Spurs land David, Elliot, Duncan, late round Parker, later round Manu, George Hill, Scola, trade for Kawhi, Splitter?

Scouting. Teaching. Coaching. Training.

Are they just a bunch of lucky dudes or something? It ain't no crapshoot, they see EXACTLY what they need to see, and then enhance those things. They make the pieces work, and the ones that they can spare, they flip for assets they need. (West flipping Eddie for Rice since he had Kobe, flipping Van Exel for Lue since he had Fisher) Spurs flipping Hill for Kawhi.

For every Spurs, OKC you name, there's 20 other teams that scout the same prospects that they though would be good and don't pan out. That's the crapshoot factor. Nobody thought Greg Oden would disintegrate the way he did, every team including Spurs would have taken him #1 cause they saw the potential he had. You can scout, teach, coach, train all you want, some of these top flight amateur guys just will never reach the level you project and people who've not shown any real game changing skills will turn out to be decent players. You just never know, injuries, system, passion for the game, character. Too many things come into a factor, it's not a science.

 

[CP1708]

you just makin stuff up now.

Not EVERYONE was sold on Oden man. Plenty of folks worried about his injury history, plenty.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

You just never know, injuries, system, passion for the game, character. Too many things come into a factor, it's not a science.

A lot of those things are factors when signing free agents and trading all your assets for a big name, too. It just seems safer because they've "proven" their resume in the NBA. But there are plenty of FA busts and trade busts.

The team is in a position where they really need to bring in a good young player. In 2007, they were in a position where they really needed to bring in a good second-fiddle star.

Worrying about making a pick that could be a bust like Greg Oden is like worrying that the Pau Gasol trade would backfire like Steve Francis-to-the-Knicks.

They can't let "oh he might be a bust" affect their decisions.

 

[MVP]

They may have not been sold, but the prospect was he was going number 1 or 2, regardless of that injury history. He could have been Bill Russell 2.0 or what he's turned into now, there isn't a book, that says you do your due diligence on a prospect and he ends up being what you expect or project. The right people have to be in place, but it's more than that. Just look at the 'mistakes' from the drafts since 2000. Littered with "can't miss talent" from high school and college that turned to bums in the league.

I'm not saying it'll happen with us, I pray it doesn't just that it's not a foregone conclusion that we make this pick and the foundation piece is set for the future.

At least with FAs you have somebody of work to go on at an NBA level, which is huge. Never know how these kids will react to the rigors of the NBA, for every 1 Anthony Davis, you have 20 Anthony Bennetts or Darko Milics.

 

[CP1708]

You just never know, injuries, system, passion for the game, character. Too many things come into a factor, it's not a science.

A lot of those things are factors when signing free agents and trading all your assets for a big name, too. It just seems safer because they've "proven" their resume in the NBA. But there are plenty of FA busts and trade busts.

The team is in a position where they really need to bring in a good young player. In 2007, they were in a position where they really needed to bring in a good second-fiddle star.

Worrying about making a pick that could be a bust like Greg Oden is like worrying that the Pau Gasol trade would backfire like Steve Francis-to-the-Knicks.

They can't let "oh he might be a bust" affect their decisions.

Every word. This.

 

[CP1708]

Littered with "can't miss talent"

Mamba, WHO is the one labeling guys can't miss? It ain't NBA guys with jobs. It's media-ESPN type folks.

Same as NFL, same as MLB.


When was the last time you hear Mitch come out and speak on draft picks before the draft? Have we EVER heard Mitch speak on draft picks before a draft, ever?

Seriously, you can't listen to what joe bloe Kiper NBA type says, and have that reflect what the actual paid, NBA guys think.

Remember how incredulous Steven A was? Kuwahmay Brown for Pau Gasol *starts laughing non stop* Memphis did pretty damn good in that trade, didn't they? But all Steven could read was Kwame-Pau, and nothing else.

 

[MVP]

I'm pretty sure they're not getting the info out of their ***. Scouts, GMs, etc do talk to those media types you dismiss so regularly as that's how the majority of them put their mock drafts lists up in the 1st place. I think Johnny Football is going to be a great pro, but apparently not many teams in the NFL do based on the media reports and 'experts' who break down his game.

You'll hold on to that Pau-Kwame trade like it was some stroke of genius by Memphis forever, as if Memphis knew what he would turn into coming into the league at 400 lbs, if the Lakers were so smart at scouting and developing they would have kept him instead of Pau and we wouldn't be in the rut we are now with his Charmin brother.