[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

[sea manup]

even if we miss the playoffs by 1/2 a game we still have .5% chance of getting the #1 pick

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

 

[daddyrabbit251]

Big game tomorrow, anxious to see how Pau responds against the t-wolves front court... If he has another 2 pt 8, 9reb game w/ little contribution in the assist department it may be time to really cut the ties with Gasol...

I expect him to bounce back at home tho


#RollTide

 

[sea manup]

i have a feeling that PFs will be the new position that always gets a career high when playing the lakers

 

[essential1]

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.

Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

 

[sea manup]

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.

Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

 

[essential1]

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.


Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

Cavs getting #1 pick the year after Lebron left.... If it were rig-able, that would make it obvious now wouldn't it.


You guys are going on full tank fest, and will end up with the 11th or 12th pick and have a silly look on your faces because it was a waste.

Without Kobe we are a 30 win team.

 

[sea manup]

 

 

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.


Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

Cavs getting #1 pick the year after Lebron left.... If it were rig-able, that would make it obvious now wouldn't it.


You guys are going on full tank fest, and will end up with the 11th or 12th pick and have a silly look on your faces because it was a waste.

Without Kobe we are a 30 win team.

11th-12th pick >>> losing in the playoffs though

if you're not first you're last

 

[essential1]

 

 

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.



Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

Cavs getting #1 pick the year after Lebron left.... If it were rig-able, that would make it obvious now wouldn't it.



You guys are going on full tank fest, and will end up with the 11th or 12th pick and have a silly look on your faces because it was a waste.


Without Kobe we are a 30 win team.

11th-12th pick >>> losing in the playoffs though

if you're not first you're last

No it's not. Missing the playoffs is never better than playing in the playoffs. NEVER.

11th-12th pick isn't much better than the 17th.

And since 05, you can argue that the late teens pick has been better than the early double digits pick. Which is almost likely where we will be.

There's also a lot of good value contracts on this team, a mid season trade is not out of the question. If a trade is out there, are you not taking it, to preserve a half *** tank.

Because if you really want to tank.. There's too much talent on this team for that.

 

[moiety]

 

 

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.



Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

Cavs getting #1 pick the year after Lebron left.... If it were rig-able, that would make it obvious now wouldn't it.



You guys are going on full tank fest, and will end up with the 11th or 12th pick and have a silly look on your faces because it was a waste.


Without Kobe we are a 30 win team.

11th-12th pick >>> losing in the playoffs though

if you're not first you're last

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[MVP]

Utah will end up with the best odds but probably get the 3rd or 4th pick which won't be bad, but a lot of effort to not end up with No. 1. Lakers have done too much winning already, need to be 1-6 or 2-5 at this point. This team is so bad that even when Kobe comes back I only see at max 30-33 wins. That may be good enough to get in the top 7 or 8 and who knows maybe we'll have a D. Rose Chicago type luck. Still in our best interest to tank. Draft is too deep.

 

[essential1]

This is Pau Gasol Ladies and Gentlemen.


2010-11: 13.7 shots, 52% FG 18.8 PPG.

40.2% of his shots (5.5 shots per game) would come at the rim. Where he shot 66% That's 7.26ppg at the rim​

29.3% of his shots (4 shots per game) would come in the paint non-RA. Where he shot 40%. That's 3.2ppg​

30.3% of his shots (4 shots per game) would come from mid range. Shot 48%. That's 3.84 ppg​

Being closer to the basket also meant more opportunity for offensive rebounds. Where he'd have 3 consistently. Also being closer to the basket meant he'd get to the line 4 times a game and get at least 3 points from the line.

5.2 FTs / game


2011-12: 14.1 shots, 50% FG 17.4PPG

33.9% of his shots (4.78 shots per game) would come at the rim. Where he shot 64% That's 6.08ppg at the rim​

22.8% of his shots (3.2 shots per game) would come in the paint non-RA. Where he shot 46%. That's 2.94ppg​

40.3% of his shots (5.6 shots per game) would come from mid range. Shot 42%. That's 4.76 ppg​

4.0 FTs/game

2012-13 11.8 shots, 46.6% FG 13.7ppg

32.8% of his shots (3.87 shots per game) would come at the rim. Where he shot 64% That's 5.8ppg at the rim​

20.4% of his shots (4 shots per game) would come in the paint non-RA. Where he shot 36%. That's 1.728ppg​

40.4% of his shots (4.76 shots per game) would come from mid range. Shot 37%. That's 3.45 ppg​

6.3% of his shots (.6 per game) come from 3. Shot around 30%. That's .4 ppg​

Offensive rebounds down 1 full rebound

3.6 FTs / game

 

[essential1]

Utah will end up with the best odds but probably get the 3rd or 4th pick which won't be bad, but a lot of effort to not end up with No. 1. Lakers have done too much winning already, need to be 1-6 or 2-5 at this point. This team is so bad that even when Kobe comes back I only see at max 30-33 wins. That may be good enough to get in the top 7 or 8 and who knows maybe we'll have a D. Rose Chicago type luck. Still in our best interest to tank. Draft is too deep.

They are not that bad.

30 wins is 36% win percentage. So every 10 games they win between 3-4 games. So the first 8 sets of 10 games. They need to go 3-7 4x and 4-6 4x and win the remaining 2 games to go 30-52.


They are on pace for 35 wins right now WITHOUT their leading scorer, and leader.

 

[sea manup]

No it's not. Missing the playoffs is never better than playing in the playoffs. NEVER.

11th-12th pick isn't much better than the 17th.

And since 05, you can argue that the late teens pick has been better than the early double digits pick. Which is almost likely where we will be.

There's also a lot of good value contracts on this team, a mid season trade is not out of the question. If a trade is out there, are you not taking it, to preserve a half *** tank.

Because if you really want to tank.. There's too much talent on this team for that.

with a 11-12 pick we are able to pick the guy who is going 17 OR we can pick between a handful of guys that are ranked higher. theres no such thing as perfect drafting but overall a 11-12th pick will be better than a 17th pick, if not then we still have the option to pick that 17th guy. 

if we go into the playoffs with this team we have no shot at a championship, i really dont see any point of playing in the playoffs when we have no shot at winning a chip.

at the end of the day i would take a 12th pick and no trophy over the 17th pick and no trophy

 

[CP1708]

No it's not. Missing the playoffs is never better than playing in the playoffs. NEVER.


11th-12th pick isn't much better than the 17th.


And since 05, you can argue that the late teens pick has been better than the early double digits pick. Which is almost likely where we will be.


There's also a lot of good value contracts on this team, a mid season trade is not out of the question. If a trade is out there, are you not taking it, to preserve a half *** tank.


Because if you really want to tank.. There's too much talent on this team for that.

with a 11-12 pick we are able to pick the guy who is going 17 OR we can pick between a handful of guys that are ranked higher. theres no such thing as perfect drafting but overall a 11-12th pick will be better than a 17th pick, if not then we still have the option to pick that 17th guy. 

if we go into the playoffs with this team we have no shot at a championship, i really dont see any point of playing in the playoffs when we have no shot at winning a chip.

at the end of the day i would take a 12th pick and no trophy over the 17th pick and no trophy

 

[CP1708]

 

 

 

I like our chances if we don't just barely miss the playoffs for a really high pick. The league isn't interested in the Lakers being cellar dwellers for long.

If that's the case, we would have got a top 5 pick in 2005 and got CP3.



Sure we got Bynum at 10, but if the Lottery was rigged, any time the Lakers or Celtics are in the lottery they should always get the #1.

that would make things too obvious, the league knew kobe still had 10 years in him so its better to give other teams the top picks. but now that kobe is on his way out we need someone to fill the gap. sliver knows what he's doing

Cavs getting #1 pick the year after Lebron left.... If it were rig-able, that would make it obvious now wouldn't it.



You guys are going on full tank fest, and will end up with the 11th or 12th pick and have a silly look on your faces because it was a waste.


Without Kobe we are a 30 win team.

11th-12th pick >>> losing in the playoffs though

if you're not first you're last

No it's not. Missing the playoffs is never better than playing in the playoffs. NEVER.

11th-12th pick isn't much better than the 17th.

And since 05, you can argue that the late teens pick has been better than the early double digits pick. Which is almost likely where we will be.

There's also a lot of good value contracts on this team, a mid season trade is not out of the question. If a trade is out there, are you not taking it, to preserve a half *** tank.

Because if you really want to tank.. There's too much talent on this team for that.

 

[essential1]

No it's not. Missing the playoffs is never better than playing in the playoffs. NEVER.


11th-12th pick isn't much better than the 17th.


And since 05, you can argue that the late teens pick has been better than the early double digits pick. Which is almost likely where we will be.


There's also a lot of good value contracts on this team, a mid season trade is not out of the question. If a trade is out there, are you not taking it, to preserve a half *** tank.


Because if you really want to tank.. There's too much talent on this team for that.

with a 11-12 pick we are able to pick the guy who is going 17 OR we can pick between a handful of guys that are ranked higher. theres no such thing as perfect drafting but overall a 11-12th pick will be better than a 17th pick, if not then we still have the option to pick that 17th guy. 

if we go into the playoffs with this team we have no shot at a championship, i really dont see any point of playing in the playoffs when we have no shot at winning a chip.

at the end of the day i would take a 12th pick and no trophy over the 17th pick and no trophy

2002 - 12th Melvin Ely 17th Juan Dixon
2003 - 12th Nick Collison 17th Zarko Carbarkapa
2004 - 12th Robert Swift 17th Josh Smith
2005- 12th Fran Vazquez 17th Danny Granger
2006 - 12th Hilton Armstrong 17th Shawne Williams
2007 - 12th Thad Young 17th Sean Williams
2008 - 12th Jason Thompson 17th Roy Hibbert
2009 - 12th Gerald Henderson 17th Jrue Holiday
2010 - 12th Xavier Henry 17th Kevin Seraphin
2011 - 12th Alec Burks 17th Iman Shumpert
2012 - 12th Jeremy Lamb 17th Tyler Zeller


Just showing how bad the later lottery picks are. As much as it defies logic, you have more of a shot of getting a solid player being in the late teens, and having a rookie scale contract.

 

[sea manup]

it comes down to proper scouting, in all those years the team with the 12th pick was able to take the guy who went 17th. 

the 12 pick in 2004 could have taken josh smith but they messed up

the 17th pick in 2003 had no option of taking nick collison because well, 12 is before 17

also, the .5% chance of landing the #1 pick is higher than the 0% chance we have of winning a title

we're not the raptors, we dont need to prove that we can make the playoffs or get to the second round. once we put the pieces together after this year we will be able to get to the second round in our sleep.

 

[essential1]

And if you make the playoffs 6% chance of winning a title.... To have 6% odds in the draft lottery, you have to be the 6th worst team. Sooooooooooooooooooooo about the odds

You're right we are not the Raptors... We can also build through Free Agency. Raptors cannot. They cannot entice anyone of big status to go there, or stay there.

Scouting is what leads the late teens pick to be better than the late lottery pick. Because every year, scouting discredits 1 guy saying he is too raw, or lacks intangibles. It will always happen every year. Better scouting won't fix that. Being a decent guesser does it.


In 2013... 9th - 14th lottery odds were all correct for the pick they got.
In 2012... 9th -14th lottery odds were all 9-14 but in different order.
In 2011. 9th -14th correctly predicted by odds.
In 2010... 9th -14th correctly predicted by odds.
In 2009.. 9th -14th correctly predicted by odds.
In 2008... Bulls who were to pick 9th, picked 1st.
In 2007... 9-14th correctly picked by odds.
In 2006... 9th -14th correctly picked by odds.

 

[sea manup]

its like how coaches dont play the starters when its a blowout, not worth the risk of getting hurt. this season is not going anywhere, whats the point of making the playoffs, playing our old guys 30+ minutes (there is no way kobe plays under 35 minutes a game in a playoff game) all for nothing?

if late first round picks are so great then cool, we trade down

our 12th pick for someones 17th pick + soda for the locker room vending machines

17th pick + soda + 0 trophies > 17th pick + 0 trophies 

of course this is all based on the fact that we have 0 chance of winning a title if we make the playoffs. if kobe comes back, pau mans up, nash starts playing better and suddenly we look like a team that can make a miracle title run then yeah making the playoffs would be great, lets go for it. but if its not to win a title there is no point in making the playoffs just for the sake of making the playoffs

 

[essential1]

We turned Javaris Crittenton, Marc Gasol (and despite what he is now, there was very little guarantee he would be), Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol...

There are not 3 or 4 decent role players on very solid contracts, who provide more upside than downside mixed with a veteran leader to get a star?

Hell we have a better chance of making a huge trade, making it to the finals than we do getting a top 5 pick.

 

[sea manup]

yeah thats what i mean, as of right now this team is not making the finals. I would welcome a big trade (as long as it is in line with our future goals/plans) if it could help us make a run this year but until then, if we dont do anything then we're better off with a higher draft pick even if we never see it and trade it away before the draft. personally i dont think the next face of the lakers will be from the draft, but in order to get that guy to the lakers we will need to sign him as a FA or trade for him and while in recent history 17th picks have turned out better than 12th picks in terms of trade value a team will value a 12th pick higher than a 17th pick. so having a 12th pick means that we have more valuable assets than if we were to have a 17th pick, yeah i know the difference is not much but there's still a difference. 

 

[CHAOSE57]

Man I really wish we get to that top 1-3 pick and get Jabari Parker. Dude's game is just too smooth

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1aWmU58c8

 

[kal-el-8]

Man I really wish we get to that top 1-3 pick and get Jabari Parker. Dude's game is just too smooth

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1aWmU58c8

This id prefer him over Wiggins to be honest

 

[daddyrabbit251]

Man I really wish we get to that top 1-3 pick and get Jabari Parker. Dude's game is just too smooth

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1aWmU58c8

Dude has no business playing in college right now... Offensively, he's ready