you may not personally agree but would you find it outlandish for someone to think that kobe is better than oscar robertson? lebron? shaq?1)Jordan
2)Russell
3)Magic
4)Kareem
5)Bird
6)Wilt
7)Hakeem
Duncan
9)Shaq
10)LeBron
11)Oscar Robertson
12)Kobe Bryant
with the logic of your first sentence, how can anyone be better than a man who averaged 50 points a game through an entire season? wilt should be #1 on your list right?How can he be better than a man that averaged a triple double when we have established that his ball hogging is a flaw? he can he be better than Shaq when they were on the same team....and he wasn't better than Shaq? How can he be better than LeBron when he's clearly not better than LeBron?you may not personally agree but would you find it outlandish for someone to think that kobe is better than oscar robertson? lebron? shaq?1)Jordan
2)Russell
3)Magic
4)Kareem
5)Bird
6)Wilt
7)Hakeem
9)Shaq
10)LeBron
11)Oscar Robertson
12)Kobe Bryant
Yes, it does affect his shot.
to be fair if i had a busted up finger i probably wouldnt want to be high fiving teammates and reinjuring myself, so its not just scoring it effects his ability to be a good teammate tooYes, it does affect his shot.
Fortunately for basketball, shooting is not the ONLY way to contribute.
Kobe's sort of aware of that, but Kobe fans are hardly aware of that, presenting cases based on an apparent understanding that it's ok for him to miss shots because that's the only thing possible.
After all, he is a SHOOTING guard, as has been pointed out to me. Not a rebounding guard. Not a passing guard. Shooting guard. So if he misses shots because of injury, or age, or youth, or triple teams, no biggie. No other option than to shoot, and all shots he has shot have been well thought out and he tried as hard as he could to make it, considering that's the only option he had.
Yes, it does affect his shot.
Fortunately for basketball, shooting is not the ONLY way to contribute.
Kobe's sort of aware of that, but Kobe fans are hardly aware of that, presenting cases based on an apparent understanding that it's ok for him to miss shots because that's the only thing possible.
After all, he is a SHOOTING guard, as has been pointed out to me. Not a rebounding guard. Not a passing guard. Shooting guard. So if he misses shots because of injury, or age, or youth, or triple teams, no biggie. No other option than to shoot, and all shots he has shot have been well thought out and he tried as hard as he could to make it, considering that's the only option he had.
I don't know why missed FG's matter now when no one even knew that John Havlicek had the record two weeks ago, but I ask
When a player tears a ligament in his shooting wrist, and plays thru it, does it affect his game?
When a player breaks a finger, on his shooting hand, and plays thru that, does it affect his game?
When he tears a tendon on yet a different finger, on his shooting hand, in a different year, and plays thru it, does it affect his game?
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Cuz I wonder, if I had broken **** on my shooting hand, I would have a hard time getting the ball to go in the basket too. Especially when the best defenders on every team, every night, are guarding me. I would find that tough.
Thing is, he doesn't care. He doesn't care if he misses, he doesn't care if it affects his stats, doesn't care about any of that, he just goes out and plays. Numbers be damned.
So do we now discredit him for missing those shots? Would we discredit him for sitting out weeks/months to get those injuries repaired, so he could "shoot better" for everyone?
*shrugs*
Like I said, 99-13, 15 years, his shooting percentage was 46%. With a billion injuries he's played thru, and ANY NBA fan would tell you they've seen him do it. Even hating *** ************* would cop to that.
The man tore his ******* achilles, and came out to shoot the free throws anyway, after he tried to literally pull up his achilles with his bare hands.
Last year in his 6th game, he broke his knee cap in the first half. He finished the game. Folks, he finished the game, with that broken kneecap, and won, on the road. He played the second half of an NBA game, defended by the Memphis Grizzlies, with a broken kneecap.
But I know the majority of you fellas will wave off those injuries, and say that everyone plays thru them.
They just don't average 27/5/5 over 15 years doing so, do they?
Yes, you mentioned that.Pretty sure I've pointed out, he's added 5 boards, and assists, per game, over 15 years, on top of great defense for about 11 of those, while playing 38-40+ minutes a night, even while injured, sometimes playing the PG, SG, and SF positions based on coach expectations.Yes, it does affect his shot.
Fortunately for basketball, shooting is not the ONLY way to contribute.
Kobe's sort of aware of that, but Kobe fans are hardly aware of that, presenting cases based on an apparent understanding that it's ok for him to miss shots because that's the only thing possible.
After all, he is a SHOOTING guard, as has been pointed out to me. Not a rebounding guard. Not a passing guard. Shooting guard. So if he misses shots because of injury, or age, or youth, or triple teams, no biggie. No other option than to shoot, and all shots he has shot have been well thought out and he tried as hard as he could to make it, considering that's the only option he had.
While injured.
I'd say, a missed shot here or there can be understood a little easier, no?
I mean, I prefer him out there, maxing effort, doing whatever he can, not worried about some sacred shooting percentage than a "well, I hurt my finger on company time, so I'll take company time off, good luck the next two months coach".
Am I crazy?
with the logic of your first sentence, how can anyone be better than a man who averaged 50 points a game through an entire season? wilt should be #1 on your list right?
you may not personally agree but would you find it outlandish for someone to think that kobe is better than oscar robertson? lebron? shaq?1)Jordan
2)Russell
3)Magic
4)Kareem
5)Bird
6)Wilt
7)Hakeem
9)Shaq
10)LeBron
11)Oscar Robertson
12)Kobe Bryant
How can he be better than a man that averaged a triple double when we have established that his ball hogging is a flaw? he can he be better than Shaq when they were on the same team....and he wasn't better than Shaq? How can he be better than LeBron when he's clearly not better than LeBron?
of course he wasnt better than shaq when shaq was in his prime and he was still a 21 year old kid, however near the end of their partnership he put up numbers that were comparable to shaqs and after shaq left he continued to play at a high level for another 10 seasons while winning more championships than shaq
what makes lebron clearly better than kobe?
depends on how you word it, 10% more made shots or making 5% more of the total shots taken
I don't believe for 2 seconds Phil called for a triple team corner 3.
Other greats had more balanced all around games than him.
27/5.5/5 and great defense for most of his 15 year window, isn't all around? What are you doing right now?
WHO SAID THIS?!
Stop twisting words and making stupid inferences man.
How many times do I have to say he's a great player but others are greater? No one is saying he is trash, we are talking about the best of the best here.
But I'll take Hakeem's 22/11/3/3/2 any day over Kobe's numbers
When you're taking shots at the clip of MJ and Kobe, 5% FG%age difference is huge. You made the same case with Iverson vs Kobe...so don't try to flip it now.
He reached the most missed shots record in 19 fewer games than Havlicek (8X Champ, 13X All-Star, 21/6/5 in his own right).
We've established he's great...STOP DANCING AROUND HIS FLAWS.
I have no idea, I'm just talkin ball with some of these guys now.
