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I actually now heard today that NBA teams are allowed to pay the money for the travel expenses...maybe I was misinformed, but if so...even better
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I actually now heard today that NBA teams are allowed to pay the money for the travel expenses...maybe I was misinformed, but if so...even better
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Here it is.....nice rule change..
New NCAA Rule Permits NBA Teams to Pay for Underclassmen Workouts
by: Jonathan Givony - President
April 7, 2008
The NCAA has made a small, but important change to their eligibility rules in regards to NBA teams paying the expenses of underclassmen student-athletes whoare "testing the waters" for private workouts. The rule once stated that "In order to be able to participate in the tryout, you must pay for allexpenses to attend the tryout (as they are incurred) on your own. It is not permissible for the NBA team to initially pay for the expenses for you with thecondition that you would repay the NBA team after the tryout."
This caused a situation where NCAA underclassmen that were not a lock for the first round and needed to get feedback from NBA teams to clarify their draftstatus were often limited by their own financial restraints, as traveling around the country is a very costly process when all the expenses needed to becovered by a private individual with no income.
On paper, this clearly looked like a rule that would help discourage NBA underclassmen prospects from declaring for the draft, which is exactly what theirschools would prefer, considering how much they would lose if their star players all left for the NBA. We discussed the hypocrisy of the situation in 2006 and2007 in an article entitled A Crash Course in Testing the Waters.
Depending on who you ask, this may have backfired on the NCAA, as some underclassmen just went ahead and hired agents from the get-go, as they were toodetermined by their professional aspirations to be discouraged by these rules-which was the exact opposite reaction that many had hoped for. We can probablycount on one hand the number of NCAA players from the past few years that looked like first round picks and actually decided to stay in school, or went backafter testing the waters.
Clearly a change was in order, and to the NCAA's credit, they recognized this and indeed decided to go ahead and rectify the situation.
In a memo issued on March 26th of this year, addressed to underclassmen considering testing the waters, the NCAA stated that "You may tryout with an NBAteam during the academic year if you are enrolled full-time as long as you do not miss class. You may receive actual and necessary expenses from the NBA teamin conjunction with one 48-hour tryout per team. The 48-hour tryout period begins when you arrive at the tryout location. At the completion of the 48-hourperiod you must depart the location of the tryout immediately in order to receive transportation expenses."
NBA teams we spoke with seemed pleased about the rule change. There seems to be no question that they will spare no expense to do as thorough an evaluation ofthe draft class as humanly possible, which means they will have no problem footing the bill. Not everyone was familiar with the memo, though, which is one ofthe reasons we decided to publish this article.
What does that mean for the NBA draft process? For one, we should see a flood of underclassmen entering their name, particularly juniors, who clearly havenothing to lose. At worst they will benefit from attending a few private workouts, receiving professional feedback on their strengths and weaknesses, get putup in a nice hotel, and get familiarized with the process they will go through in the future when they are actually ready to play in the NBA.
They must keep in mind that no private workouts can be held until the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, which leaves under two weeks until the deadline topullout of the draft, June 16th. Also, since underclassmen are only allowed to "test the waters" once, freshman and sophomores need to be verycareful about wasting their lone opportunity if they are not seriously considered first round draft picks.
An NBA General Manager put it bluntly via email: "More players will test. More players will pull out. It will cost more."
NBA teams will need to sift through the underclassmen list and figure out who they need to seriously evaluate, and who is in the draft just for the heck of it.Since there are only so many days in the calendar to conduct workouts (a little over three weeks), they need to be selective about who they decide to invite inorder to not "waste their time."
Because of the limited amount of spots available these days, some NCAA seniors might find it a little difficult to get as many workouts with NBA teams as theymay have hoped, which makes it more important to participate and play well at Portsmouth and the Orlando pre-draft camp. If given an opportunity to evaluate asenior that a team has seen dozens of times or an underclassmen that they aren't as familiar with (maybe because they weren't expecting him to be enterhis name in the draft), many teams will often choose to invite the underclassman.
The fact that the NBA now allows teams to have six players on the court at once, instead of four like in past years, helps with this situation.
As one NBA executive told us via email "it's going to be a busy June watching players with this and new 6 players per workout."
It will be interesting to see how this affects the NBA pre-draft camp as well. Underclassmen who could not afford to travel around the country working out forteams had the option of being seen by all 30 NBA teams at once at the pre-draft camp. Now that players have more options, the NBA will surely be hoping thatthis doesn't cause even more players to decline attending their camp, in fear of hurting their stock. It's becoming more and more rare for 1st roundpicks to play in Orlando these days-last year only three participants (Daequan Cook, Jared Dudley, Aaron Brooks) went in the first round, while the previousyear saw just two (Jordan Farmar and Renaldo Balkman).
Players who decide to take advantage of this new rule need to keep in mind that the NCAA is still very strict about who can arrange for these workouts and whocan't. The same memo states that "it would not be permissible for a student-athlete's institutional coach to organize and be present during aprofessional tryout that occurs on or off campus." It also clearly states that agents are not allowed to "arrange a private workout/tryout with anNBA team." Their definition of what an agent is can be fairly confusing: "An individual would be considered an 'agent' if the individualmarkets your basketball skills to any NBA team or other professional teams (e.g., contact NBA teams to discuss your skills, set up tryouts with NBA teams)."
Their advice to NCAA student athletes is to "be careful who you associate with during this process. Do it all yourself or work through your head coach.You may receive the assistance of your family members, provided they are not working with any individual who is marketing your athletics ability (e.g.,contacting NBA teams, setting up tryouts with NBA teams)."
Last year, 58 NCAA underclassmen entered the NBA draft, and 26 ended up pulling their name out at the deadline. What will those numbers look like this timearound? We'll have to wait and see…
New NCAA Rule Permits NBA Teams to Pay for Underclassmen Workouts
by: Jonathan Givony - President
April 7, 2008
The NCAA has made a small, but important change to their eligibility rules in regards to NBA teams paying the expenses of underclassmen student-athletes whoare "testing the waters" for private workouts. The rule once stated that "In order to be able to participate in the tryout, you must pay for allexpenses to attend the tryout (as they are incurred) on your own. It is not permissible for the NBA team to initially pay for the expenses for you with thecondition that you would repay the NBA team after the tryout."
This caused a situation where NCAA underclassmen that were not a lock for the first round and needed to get feedback from NBA teams to clarify their draftstatus were often limited by their own financial restraints, as traveling around the country is a very costly process when all the expenses needed to becovered by a private individual with no income.
On paper, this clearly looked like a rule that would help discourage NBA underclassmen prospects from declaring for the draft, which is exactly what theirschools would prefer, considering how much they would lose if their star players all left for the NBA. We discussed the hypocrisy of the situation in 2006 and2007 in an article entitled A Crash Course in Testing the Waters.
Depending on who you ask, this may have backfired on the NCAA, as some underclassmen just went ahead and hired agents from the get-go, as they were toodetermined by their professional aspirations to be discouraged by these rules-which was the exact opposite reaction that many had hoped for. We can probablycount on one hand the number of NCAA players from the past few years that looked like first round picks and actually decided to stay in school, or went backafter testing the waters.
Clearly a change was in order, and to the NCAA's credit, they recognized this and indeed decided to go ahead and rectify the situation.
In a memo issued on March 26th of this year, addressed to underclassmen considering testing the waters, the NCAA stated that "You may tryout with an NBAteam during the academic year if you are enrolled full-time as long as you do not miss class. You may receive actual and necessary expenses from the NBA teamin conjunction with one 48-hour tryout per team. The 48-hour tryout period begins when you arrive at the tryout location. At the completion of the 48-hourperiod you must depart the location of the tryout immediately in order to receive transportation expenses."
NBA teams we spoke with seemed pleased about the rule change. There seems to be no question that they will spare no expense to do as thorough an evaluation ofthe draft class as humanly possible, which means they will have no problem footing the bill. Not everyone was familiar with the memo, though, which is one ofthe reasons we decided to publish this article.
What does that mean for the NBA draft process? For one, we should see a flood of underclassmen entering their name, particularly juniors, who clearly havenothing to lose. At worst they will benefit from attending a few private workouts, receiving professional feedback on their strengths and weaknesses, get putup in a nice hotel, and get familiarized with the process they will go through in the future when they are actually ready to play in the NBA.
They must keep in mind that no private workouts can be held until the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, which leaves under two weeks until the deadline topullout of the draft, June 16th. Also, since underclassmen are only allowed to "test the waters" once, freshman and sophomores need to be verycareful about wasting their lone opportunity if they are not seriously considered first round draft picks.
An NBA General Manager put it bluntly via email: "More players will test. More players will pull out. It will cost more."
NBA teams will need to sift through the underclassmen list and figure out who they need to seriously evaluate, and who is in the draft just for the heck of it.Since there are only so many days in the calendar to conduct workouts (a little over three weeks), they need to be selective about who they decide to invite inorder to not "waste their time."
Because of the limited amount of spots available these days, some NCAA seniors might find it a little difficult to get as many workouts with NBA teams as theymay have hoped, which makes it more important to participate and play well at Portsmouth and the Orlando pre-draft camp. If given an opportunity to evaluate asenior that a team has seen dozens of times or an underclassmen that they aren't as familiar with (maybe because they weren't expecting him to be enterhis name in the draft), many teams will often choose to invite the underclassman.
The fact that the NBA now allows teams to have six players on the court at once, instead of four like in past years, helps with this situation.
As one NBA executive told us via email "it's going to be a busy June watching players with this and new 6 players per workout."
It will be interesting to see how this affects the NBA pre-draft camp as well. Underclassmen who could not afford to travel around the country working out forteams had the option of being seen by all 30 NBA teams at once at the pre-draft camp. Now that players have more options, the NBA will surely be hoping thatthis doesn't cause even more players to decline attending their camp, in fear of hurting their stock. It's becoming more and more rare for 1st roundpicks to play in Orlando these days-last year only three participants (Daequan Cook, Jared Dudley, Aaron Brooks) went in the first round, while the previousyear saw just two (Jordan Farmar and Renaldo Balkman).
Players who decide to take advantage of this new rule need to keep in mind that the NCAA is still very strict about who can arrange for these workouts and whocan't. The same memo states that "it would not be permissible for a student-athlete's institutional coach to organize and be present during aprofessional tryout that occurs on or off campus." It also clearly states that agents are not allowed to "arrange a private workout/tryout with anNBA team." Their definition of what an agent is can be fairly confusing: "An individual would be considered an 'agent' if the individualmarkets your basketball skills to any NBA team or other professional teams (e.g., contact NBA teams to discuss your skills, set up tryouts with NBA teams)."
Their advice to NCAA student athletes is to "be careful who you associate with during this process. Do it all yourself or work through your head coach.You may receive the assistance of your family members, provided they are not working with any individual who is marketing your athletics ability (e.g.,contacting NBA teams, setting up tryouts with NBA teams)."
Last year, 58 NCAA underclassmen entered the NBA draft, and 26 ended up pulling their name out at the deadline. What will those numbers look like this timearound? We'll have to wait and see…
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Love and Collison gone
UCLA lost in the Final Four and now it looks like they'll lose two players who got them there.
The Los Angeles Times reported on Tuesday that Kevin Love and Darren Collison have both decided to make themselves available for June's NBA draft.Citing sources close to the players, the newspaper said that Love and Collison told coach Ben Howland of their decisions in separate meetings.
[h4]Ford: Who's In, Who's Out[/h4]
Underclassmen will transform the 2008 NBA draft. Chad Ford takes a look at who's going, who's staying and who's on the fence. Story
Love spent one year at UCLA and led the team in scoring at 17.5 points per game and rebounds at 10.6. The 6-foot-10, 271-pound Love was a first-teamAll-American, the Pac-10 player of the year and the outstanding player of the Anaheim regional.
Love has been projected to be drafted in the middle of the first round.
The 6-foot, 160-pound Collison scored 14.5 points and added 3.8 assists per game in his junior season.
Collison struggled in the 78-63 loss to Memphis on Saturday, scoring two points, adding four assists but commiting five turnovers.
A Western Conference team official told the Times, however: "I thought he was a mid-first round pick [before Memphis]. I think he still is. That'swhat his talent says to me."
The Bruins will also likely lose sophomore guard Russell Westbrook to the draft,the Times reported. He led the Bruins in assists at 4.3 and added 12.7 points per game.
UCLA lost in the Final Four and now it looks like they'll lose two players who got them there.
The Los Angeles Times reported on Tuesday that Kevin Love and Darren Collison have both decided to make themselves available for June's NBA draft.Citing sources close to the players, the newspaper said that Love and Collison told coach Ben Howland of their decisions in separate meetings.
[h4]Ford: Who's In, Who's Out[/h4]
Underclassmen will transform the 2008 NBA draft. Chad Ford takes a look at who's going, who's staying and who's on the fence. Story
Love spent one year at UCLA and led the team in scoring at 17.5 points per game and rebounds at 10.6. The 6-foot-10, 271-pound Love was a first-teamAll-American, the Pac-10 player of the year and the outstanding player of the Anaheim regional.
Love has been projected to be drafted in the middle of the first round.
The 6-foot, 160-pound Collison scored 14.5 points and added 3.8 assists per game in his junior season.
Collison struggled in the 78-63 loss to Memphis on Saturday, scoring two points, adding four assists but commiting five turnovers.
A Western Conference team official told the Times, however: "I thought he was a mid-first round pick [before Memphis]. I think he still is. That'swhat his talent says to me."
The Bruins will also likely lose sophomore guard Russell Westbrook to the draft,the Times reported. He led the Bruins in assists at 4.3 and added 12.7 points per game.
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After watching Collison struggle against the Memphis guards on both sides of the court, I think it would be a good idea for him to work on his game a littlemore at the college level. I also think Love should develop his game a little more on the college level, too. Regardless of what Love does, I honestlydon't think that his game will translate well to the pro level. I guess we'll find out more sooner than later.
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id love to see these college kids evolve. the Nba feels just so saturated with young talent, its kind of unappealing quite
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Didn't Steele already put his name in before a couple years ago?
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Not sure, I don't think so tho...read an article from this week with him saying that if he's not first round he'll be back
But that applies to Rush, right?
But that applies to Rush, right?
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Yeah...if you put your name in twice you can't take it out.
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I hope I don't see Deandre Jordan's name in this thread as a guy that's leaving. I'm really torn on which road he needs to take though...
(a) go to the league and get drafted on pure potential (probably top 10)
or
(b) come back to school and work on some things at the college level (no telling where he'll end up getting drafted)
I'm kinda leaning more towards him just going ahead and leaving, just because of that guaranteed contract and most likely lottery money.
(a) go to the league and get drafted on pure potential (probably top 10)
or
(b) come back to school and work on some things at the college level (no telling where he'll end up getting drafted)
I'm kinda leaning more towards him just going ahead and leaving, just because of that guaranteed contract and most likely lottery money.
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Collison wouldnt even been playin next year had he returned.
It's J's time to run the show
It's J's time to run the show
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Tmay, Deandre's gone... my friend is on the team and said that he bounced after the tourney and changed his cell phone number.. didn't even tell Turgeor most of the team.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31663
Russell Westbrook
IMO he'd be a nice fit on the squad, a athletic defensive minded combo guard, that can defendpositions 1-3
Get it done Mitch(haven't heard that in a while right?), and draftanother Bruin
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/\ That Lakers don't own a first round draft pick this year
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i kno that, but Westbrook isn't goin 1st round anyways, so thats not a problem
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i kno that, but Westbrook isn't goin 1st round anyways, so thats not a problem
Back to the study room mayne... hes goin top 10, top 15 WORST CASE SCENARIO
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Back to the study room mayne
good call
I just checked that mock draft that was posted a while back, and low and behold
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I guess I just didn't realize that many people held him in such a high regard
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he's going in the top 10, the guy is like monta ellis with an outside shot + DEFENSE!
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^monta ellis???.....nahhhhhhh...definitely not as quick, but i can see how you would compare
with his great drivin + finishing ability....def. goin top 10, and Monta has a butter mid-range game btw
I dont know about Love...seems like he dominated the inside this year, but the NBA is full of guys that will bang right with him and he lacks
ideal size for a center...and he's too slow these days to be a 4...so i dont know...
Collison is a good overall player, but i just think he needs to gain some strength to play in the NBA because the point guards of today are gettin stronger
and stronger...
with his great drivin + finishing ability....def. goin top 10, and Monta has a butter mid-range game btw
I dont know about Love...seems like he dominated the inside this year, but the NBA is full of guys that will bang right with him and he lacks
ideal size for a center...and he's too slow these days to be a 4...so i dont know...
Collison is a good overall player, but i just think he needs to gain some strength to play in the NBA because the point guards of today are gettin stronger
and stronger...
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Originally Posted by thachosen123
I guess I just didn't realize that many people held him in such a high regard
the NBA will draft on potential... even if westbrook's jumper is inconsistent, he showed his athleticism, finishing ability and ability to defendthroughout he showed throughout the season
not sure he's top 10, but definitely top 15... he's a 1 in the league but did a decent job at the beginning of the season running the offense andled the team in assists this year... still think he would be best fit with a big 2 guard that can handle the ball and to let him play off the ball (a la montaellis)
no official word on whether he's going or not... last i heard he was leaning towards putting his name in the draft but not sure if he will hire an agentor not.. i wonder if howland's press conference scheduled for today has anything to do with confirming that love and collison are indeed leaving andwestbrook's status...
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Out of curiosity, what type of player do you see Kevin Love becoming on the next level?
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i really have no clue now...i thought he should stay.
but anyone else think Hansbrough will stay? i do, might as well...they'll be very good again, he's already been there for 3, might as well. hestrikes me as a dude who's gonna get the most of his college years and enjoy everything that comes with being a senior at a big time program. he can comeback, make a last run at a title and finish his career as one of the best Tarheels ever, if not the best.
