Donald Trump is running for president

[nazdrowie]

 

[tekthemaestro]

 

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? why does everything happen in my state. good lord

 

[mr highness]

Bernie Sanders recently tweeted:

"The black unemployment rate has remained roughly twice as high as the white rate over the last 40 years. This is unacceptable."

isn't this just as racist as Trump's tweet?

Also he wants to not surprisingly raise taxes: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-plan/

To pay for it, Sanders is calling for a new 2.2% income tax on all Americans and a 6.2% levy on employers. But he would also hike taxes on the wealthy.

Also according to twitter, he wants to raise the minimum wage, I think they're called MINIMUM WAGE for a reason and part of the reason why Walmart closed 100+ stores. Increasing minimum wage isn't a good idea. It won't help the economy.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2716886/walmart-wont-open-stores-due-to-minimum-wage-concerns/

 

[Betonblck]

Wal Mart is closing stores because they can't compete with Amazon.

 

[tekthemaestro]

Wal Mart is closing stores because they can't compete with Amazon.

there a many reasons those companies are closing stores. you can sum up most of em with the word "internet." but dont even engage in that stupid point he made. 

 

[District of Columbia]

Trump is a real life cartoon character

**** is amazing

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Bernie Sanders recently tweeted:
isn't this just as racist as Trump's tweet?

Not even close. Context is key. Sanders is pointing out the system of inequality which isn't in the favor of blacks. Trump's retweet is reinforcing the overwhelmingly conservative talking points/view point that A.) police killing blacks isn't actually an issue and B.) blacks are inherently more prone to violence and crime. Based on fake stats.

 

[mr highness]

Bernie Sanders recently tweeted:
isn't this just as racist as Trump's tweet?

Not even close. Context is key. Sanders is pointing out the system of inequality which isn't in the favor of blacks. Trump's retweet is reinforcing the overwhelmingly conservative talking points/view point that A.) police killing blacks isn't actually an issue and B.) blacks are inherently more prone to violence and crime. Based on fake stats.

Gonna try to reread Sander's tweet 50 times to see the part where he says inequality, I know it's limited to 140 characters but he could have tweeted again. Because if it's not racist, then it's definitely an attempt to get votes and suck up to the black voters. What's he going to do if elected hypothetically? Make companies only hire black people? Where were stats of the other ethnic groups?

Speaking of other groups, he is hugely in favor of illegal immigrants and amnesty, and we all know illegal immigrants are able to obtain jobs in the U.S. Isn't this a factor of why Americans, Black Americans cannot obtain jobs? How will he solve all this? It doesn't make sense. Seems ridiculous.

 

[gil23]

Gonna try to reread Sander's tweet 50 times to see the part where he says inequality, I know it's limited to 140 characters but he could have tweeted again. Because if it's not racist, then it's definitely an attempt to get votes and suck up to the black voters. What's he going to do if elected hypothetically? Make companies only hire black people? Where were stats of the other ethnic groups?

Speaking of other groups, he is hugely in favor of illegal immigrants and amnesty, and we all know illegal immigrants are able to obtain jobs in the U.S. Isn't this a factor of why Americans, Black Americans cannot obtain jobs? How will he solve all this? It doesn't make sense. Seems ridiculous.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Gonna try to reread Sander's tweet 50 times to see the part where he says inequality, I know it's limited to 140 characters but he could have tweeted again. Because if it's not racist, then it's definitely an attempt to get votes and suck up to the black voters. What's he going to do if elected hypothetically? Make companies only hire black people? Where were stats of the other ethnic groups?

Speaking of other groups, he is hugely in favor of illegal immigrants and amnesty, and we all know illegal immigrants are able to obtain jobs in the U.S. Isn't this a factor of why Americans, Black Americans cannot obtain jobs? How will he solve all this? It doesn't make sense. Seems ridiculous.

Notice I said context right? If you're even remotely familiar with what sanders speaks about you'd know he's speaking on inequality.

I'd say this mentality keeps more African Americans from getting job then illegal immigrants. Or are you trying to imply that the reason unemployment is double for blacks than whites is because unskilled and uneducated illegals are taking all the jobs that blacks are qualified for?

The Résumé Test

And Gator may be on to something. A recent University of Chicago study, "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" by Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, found that people with names like Pam or Amber got 50 percent more callbacks for job interviews than applicants with similar résumés and names like Lakisha and Shaniqua. (To read the full study, click here.)

Even though the study looked at 5,000 résumés, a group of young professionals didn't quite believe the name on top of their résumés could make that big a difference. The skeptics included Carita, an attorney; Tavoria, a law student; Orpheus, an educator; Arsenetta, a statistician; Tremelle, a financial adviser; and Ebony, an M.B.A. student.

So 20/20 asked the six to participate in an experiment.

20/20 put 22 pairs of names to the test — the six skeptics included.

Each person posted two résumés on popular job-search Web sites — one under his or her real name, and the same identical résumé under a made-up, "white-sounding" names like Peter, Melissa and Kathleen.

You'd think the identical résumés would get the same attention. Instead, the résumés with the white-sounding names on them were actually downloaded 17 percent more often by job recruiters looking for candidates.

"You really never know why you don't get called back for that interview. I thought it was because of my job skills, or my résumé wasn't appropriate, but I never thought it was because of my name," Carita said.

She was shocked by the calls from potential employers — not to her, but to her fictitious white counterpart. "I was just blown away that Kathleen got phone calls for three of the four weeks of the study, and I didn't get any. And Kathleen does not exist," she said.

Arsenetta also was envious of her fictitious white alter ego, Kimberly.

"They were calling her morning, noon and night," she said. "I was standing there looking at my phone going, 'God, I want to answer that phone call and tell the man I'm interested in this job!' "

Ebony felt frustrated that companies were quick to stereotype her by name. "Once they get to know me, they say, 'Oh, you know, she is Ebony but she's not that militant one or she's not that rowdy little girl or she's not the ignorant one. She's very smart and very capable of doing this job,' " she said.

What kind of companies were responsible? Our independent research found biased responses from employment agencies, law firms and even large financial corporations.

Recruiter: ‘There Is Rampant Racism’

But capable doesn't always matter. A job recruiter for Fortune 500 companies in northern California revealed an ugly secret.

"There is rampant racism everywhere. And people who deny that are being naïve," said the recruiter, who spoke on the condition her name would not be used.

The recruiter said if she were given two résumés, all else being equal, except one says Shaniqua, and the other says Jennifer, she would call Jennifer first.

It's a choice she says she was trained to make: When representing certain companies, do not send black candidates. And on a résumé, a name may be the only cue of the applicant's race.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=124232&page=1

 

[Brownstone]

When I was reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' Between the World and Me, uses the word "democracy." It was surprising because among white people, you cannot call the US a democracy without blow back. Conservatives will point out that the Constitution makes us a Republic and that the Founders feared Democracy. Libertarians and civil libertarians will talk about the police and our drug laws and our brutal and venal criminal justice system as if they were imposed upon us by some foreign power. Progressives will remind you of the out sized role that money and elite special interests all play in turning out democracy into an Oligarchy.

Those facts may be true but I do believe that white progressives and civil libertarians talk themselves into blaming all of these exogenous forces. That is why Coates' decision to call US a democracy was so startling. I realized that from the black perspective, white people, as a voting bloc, ultimately do control their own destiny. The war on drugs, militarized police, neo liberalism, deindustrialization, the destruction of private sector unions, unaffordable Healthcare, unaffordable education, Wall Street's enormous power and the military industrial complex were ultimately the results of white popular will.

White liberals, we may rage against the machine but we treasure our white individualism just as much as militia men. A Berkeley feminist on her Tumblr may understand white privilege and imperialism and the ravages of the red lining but she still sees her self as the author of her own journey just as much as any rancher in Montana would. We scoff at the stupidity of Atlas Shrugged but we are still quite Randian when it comes to how we relate to the world. People of color tend to not be so naively individualistic. They know that their skin color and their zip codes and their parents' vocations have already decided much of their fate.

A liberal, progressive populist would be accurate in saying "you, you conservative white folks, who are not wealthy. You have engaged in white identity politics and in doing so, you have caused immense economic damage to poor people of all colors." However, our progressive would be more accurate and more of a leader in saying "we as members of the dominant white voting bloc, we have caused this mess we are in, we have devalued people, especially people of color, and it is us, who have, over decades of elections, allowed moneyed interests to wreak so much havoc."

For poor whites and liberal whites, these illiberal and plutocratic forces feel like they have been imposed by some foreign king but as far as black people see it, every white person is ultimately on the same team as the Koch Brothers. Even the poorest white person enjoys privileges and rights that black people do not have. Every white person is part of the voting bloc that truly runs the country.

Oligarchy is a very real problem as is the fact that so many white folks succumb to the siren call of white identity politics. However, my fellow white progressives are not helping when act as if our parents or grandparents or neighbors played no role in creating these very serious problems.

Wow, so much truth in this right here I can't even begin to comprehend. As an undergrad student what was perhaps the most damaging to me, was not the students who were republicans at 18, or even the libertarians that raised their hands to the point of eye rolls among their peers, but the fact that in most cases when I had truly in depth conversations, with the most liberal, understanding white person. Their would always be a wall to their vision. Almost as if they could never go all in to seeing their own doings. They were the most damaging because while they appeared to everyone including myself at first to be apart of the solution- they were in fact part of the problem.

From my interpretation of Coates' is describing that it is a democracy for white people, which as you so eloquently stated, is. What is interesting is that I don't even recall him calling the U.S. a democracy, funny what different people get from the same material.While I would love to hear what you thought of Coates' book (I recently read it as well) I will limit that to pm. 

 

[mr highness]

frenchbreadbuilds I missed some of what you said through my smartphone, so I missed the word.

^ I never argued that there wasn't inequality in jobs, and I've seen a study like that before. Matter of fact, I've been a victim because for months and months I've struggled to land a job because my full name wasn't "Whitish". But I volunteered at certain places, got the experience. I sacrificed money and time for experience to land a job later on.

But, bringing in 11+ million undocumented illegal immigrants, granting them amnesty, plus documented international students and allowing them to obtain American jobs will not help the Black community in obtaining jobs.

I believe there is inequality in landing jobs, but I don't think that's the major/sole problem. I've seen many Blacks in my area get jobs, from managers at a clothing company, bus drivers, paralegal, etc.

The U.S is still a predominately white populated country so of course we colored people will experience some sort of unfairness, if you go to China, there will be Chinese-privilege, if you go to Chile, Chilean-privilege, Italy, Italian-privilege, etc. Any country you're at, whatever the more demographic ethnicity, they get the privilege.

Mr Lord and Savior Bernie Sanders wants to increase taxes, increase the minimum wage to $15, grant amnesty to a majority if not all undocumented folks, and says, as you stated that there is an inequality among Blacks in the labor force and wants to fix that. But how will you fix all these issues when some may even conflict with each other?

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

frenchbreadbuilds I missed some of what you said through my smartphone, so I missed the word.

^ I never argued that there wasn't inequality in jobs, and I've seen a study like that before. Matter of fact, I've been a victim because for months and months I've struggled to land a job because my full name wasn't "Whitish". But I volunteered at certain places, got the experience. I sacrificed money and time for experience to land a job later on.

But, bringing in 11+ million undocumented illegal immigrants, granting them amnesty, plus documented international students and allowing them to obtain American jobs will not help the Black community in obtaining jobs.

I believe there is inequality in landing jobs, but I don't think that's the major/sole problem. I've seen many Blacks in my area get jobs, from managers at a clothing company, bus drivers, paralegal, etc.

The U.S is still a predominately white populated country so of course we colored people will experience some sort of unfairness, if you go to China, there will be Chinese-privilege, if you go to Chile, Chilean-privilege, Italy, Italian-privilege, etc. Any country you're at, whatever the more demographic ethnicity, they get the privilege.

Mr Lord and Savior Bernie Sanders wants to increase taxes, increase the minimum wage to $15, grant amnesty to a majority if not all undocumented folks, and says, as you stated that there is an inequality among Blacks in the labor force and wants to fix that. But how will you fix all these issues when some may even conflict with each other?

Well then based on your argument ALL immigration should be halted because even legal immigrants will be competing in the same job market as African Americans. So should we halt all together? If we're going to go that far should we revoke the citizenship of already legalized immigrants because they're also competing in the same job market? Although we agree that improvements can and should be made to the current system that regulates immigration, where we fundamentally disagree is that the illegals are the cause for concern that trump and conservatives make it out to be. The entire group of illegals is almost less than a 5th of the entire Black population of the United States. I just don't that's worth the wall building and money dumping that they're calling for.

As for white/majority privelege. Facing "some sort of unfairness" is bound to happen but that doesn't mean it should be accepted or tolerated ESPECIALLY when it effects an entire group of people's constitutional rights "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

[sole blessed]

People who deny racism exists are WORSE than open racists. They are usually the uneducated scum that have their their threads pulled by people like Trump. 

Does it matter

 

[RustyShackleford]

When I was reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' Between the World and Me, uses the word "democracy." It was surprising because among white people, you cannot call the US a democracy without blow back. Conservatives will point out that the Constitution makes us a Republic and that the Founders feared Democracy. Libertarians and civil libertarians will talk about the police and our drug laws and our brutal and venal criminal justice system as if they were imposed upon us by some foreign power. Progressives will remind you of the out sized role that money and elite special interests all play in turning out democracy into an Oligarchy.


Those facts may be true but I do believe that white progressives and civil libertarians talk themselves into blaming all of these exogenous forces. That is why Coates' decision to call US a democracy was so startling. I realized that from the black perspective, white people, as a voting bloc, ultimately do control their own destiny. The war on drugs, militarized police, neo liberalism, deindustrialization, the destruction of private sector unions, unaffordable Healthcare, unaffordable education, Wall Street's enormous power and the military industrial complex were ultimately the results of white popular will.


White liberals, we may rage against the machine but we treasure our white individualism just as much as militia men. A Berkeley feminist on her Tumblr may understand white privilege and imperialism and the ravages of the red lining but she still sees her self as the author of her own journey just as much as any rancher in Montana would. We scoff at the stupidity of Atlas Shrugged but we are still quite Randian when it comes to how we relate to the world. People of color tend to not be so naively individualistic. They know that their skin color and their zip codes and their parents' vocations have already decided much of their fate.


A liberal, progressive populist would be accurate in saying "you, you conservative white folks, who are not wealthy. You have engaged in white identity politics and in doing so, you have caused immense economic damage to poor people of all colors." However, our progressive would be more accurate and more of a leader in saying "we as members of the dominant white voting bloc, we have caused this mess we are in, we have devalued people, especially people of color, and it is us, who have, over decades of elections, allowed moneyed interests to wreak so much havoc."


For poor whites and liberal whites, these illiberal and plutocratic forces feel like they have been imposed by some foreign king but as far as black people see it, every white person is ultimately on the same team as the Koch Brothers. Even the poorest white person enjoys privileges and rights that black people do not have. Every white person is part of the voting bloc that truly runs the country.


Oligarchy is a very real problem as is the fact that so many white folks succumb to the siren call of white identity politics. However, my fellow white progressives are not helping when act as if our parents or grandparents or neighbors played no role in creating these very serious problems.

Wow, so much truth in this right here I can't even begin to comprehend. As an undergrad student what was perhaps the most damaging to me, was not the students who were republicans at 18, or even the libertarians that raised their hands to the point of eye rolls among their peers, but the fact that in most cases when I had truly in depth conversations, with the most liberal, understanding white person. Their would always be a wall to their vision. Almost as if they could never go all in to seeing their own doings. They were the most damaging because while they appeared to everyone including myself at first to be apart of the solution- they were in fact part of the problem.

From my interpretation of Coates' is describing that it is a democracy for white people, which as you so eloquently stated, is. What is interesting is that I don't even recall him calling the U.S. a democracy, funny what different people get from the same material.While I would love to hear what you thought of Coates' book (I recently read it as well) I will limit that to pm. 

Even MLK had similar feelings.

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https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

Like I have said before, non black Bernie Sanders fans do the man a disservice by the way the act sometimes. Especially on the race issue.

 

[mr highness]

frenchbreadbuilds

I think there should be a temporary halt, and see what we can do from there.

There's around estimated 40 million Blacks in the U.S, they say there's 11 million Undocumented Immigrants in the U.S, which was a 2011 calculated number, (5 years ago), so by now, many have brought more of their families, had kids aka anchor babies in the U.S, also, the rising increase of international students, and many who "overstay" in the U.S, some are able to obtain legal jobs thanks to the Visa, some are able to obtain jobs without papers (Under the Table). So in total, you should expect a lot more technical illegal immigrants, or unfair competition. I think that's a big impact. What I'm saying is, this doesn't help the Black community, especially if we're all still populating and the rate of job growth isn't enough or at pace.

Also, inequality among Blacks in the labor force goes beyond White privilege/unfairness in the labor force. Another reason is this; did you know that many overachieving Blacks in school are often bullied by other Blacks for "Acting White"? Which significantly affects their education and their lifestyle? But we society as a whole choose to negate this issue and many go unreported.

 

[sole blessed]

Let us turn to 2 Corinthians

 

[RustyShackleford]

No one even take on Highness's and his deflections seriously.

Dude actively argues that white supremacy somehow benefits the United States, even minorities

When someone is that far gone, no bother wasting energy trying to reason with him. Others, including myself, have tried multiple times

-Going to schools with less qualified teachers, less resources, less academic support programs, being funneled into special educations classes, zero tolerance policies, and pricing higher quality education out of the reach of many families are not the problem.

Blacks bullying other blacks are the real problem. Jeez

 

[sole blessed]

What environmental racism

 

[sole blessed]

But that water .....that kid was holding a giant glass jar filled with dark copper filled water [emoji]128567[/emoji][emoji]128567[/emoji]

 

[RustyShackleford]

What environmental racism

Something I don't try to explain to anyone with an IQ under 80, word to social determinants of health. it's honestly a waste of time. Don't worry about it fam, do you.   

In the age of Google, it baffles me that some dudes allow themselves to look that bad. Why don't folk just look stuff up?

I mean the term is so common, if you google it, the definition pops up right away.

 

[sole blessed]

In the age of Google, it baffles me that some dudes allow themselves to look that bad. Why don't folk just look stuff up?

I mean the term is so common, if you google it, the definition pops up right away.

Huh? or maybe I don't care to

 

[RustyShackleford]

In the age of Google, it baffles me that some dudes allow themselves to look that bad. Why don't folk just look stuff up?

I mean the term is so common, if you google it, the definition pops up right away.

Huh? or maybe I don't care to

So you prefer to just look ignorant.

Gotcha famb

 

[mr highness]

It's sad that somebody like M mr highness is going to be able to reproduce

The ignorance everytime he steps into any thread regarding race is crazy

Can you elaborate why without trolling? I bet money you can't.

Just because you don't agree with anyone means they're ignorant?

That's a rational mentality

No one even take on Highness's and his deflections seriously.

Dude actively argues that white supremacy somehow benefits the United States, even minorities

When someone is that far gone, no bother wasting energy trying to reason with him. Others, including myself, have tried multiple times

-Going to schools with less qualified teachers, less resources, less academic support programs, being funneled into special educations classes, zero tolerance policies, and pricing higher quality education out of the reach of many families are not the problem.

Blacks bullying other blacks are the real problem. Jeez

Again, I said it was part of the season, I didn't say it was the real problem. And again going on again with "White Supremacy". That's what you do, you resort to wack plan Bs like that when it ain't even really like that. Pretty sad. That's what Rusty does when someone argues more reasonable arguments, he slanders them. I wasn't even talking to this fool.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It's sad that somebody like M mr highness is going to be able to reproduce

The ignorance everytime he steps into any thread regarding race is crazy

Can you elaborate why without trolling? I bet money you can't.

Just because you don't agree with anyone means they're ignorant?

That's a rational mentality

No one even take on Highness's and his deflections seriously.

Dude actively argues that white supremacy somehow benefits the United States, even minorities

When someone is that far gone, no bother wasting energy trying to reason with him. Others, including myself, have tried multiple times

-Going to schools with less qualified teachers, less resources, less academic support programs, being funneled into special educations classes, zero tolerance policies, and pricing higher quality education out of the reach of many families are not the problem.

Blacks bullying other blacks are the real problem. Jeez

Again, I said it was part of the season, I didn't say it was the real problem. And again going on again with "White Supremacy". That's what you do, you resort to wack plan Bs like that when it ain't even really like that. Pretty sad. That's what Rusty does when someone argues more reasonable arguments, he slanders them.

And you play the victim, that is what you do

I didn't slander you, I stated a fact, you argue that white supremacy can benefit the American people. I still remember your whole "Europe has superior culture" schtick

Bring up "white supremacy" is not a red herring. It is just another name for the systematic oppression against minority groups in this country