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sea manup said:
no, you never addressed the overall point of superman not having a defined character. because you cant without writing more fan fiction

I'm sticking to events that happened in the movie I watched you are writing fan fiction to explain things that the filmmakers made no effort at all to explain

you claim that I cant compare these characters to past versions when 90% of your arguments are explaining non existent character motivations and plotholes by saying "based on the comics" and "they will address that in later movies". 

stop your fanboying and look at this movie for what it is, a bunch of characters with poorly thought out motivations in a paper thin plot. 
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You know what, FOH with your fan fiction fanboy bull*** insult NONSENSE.

For F***s sake WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE MOVIE. COOL. ENOUGH.

I tried having a civil conversation (a "Discussion" before you post your damn NT wikipedia entry again) and you keep poking poking poking. Screw you. You're just being a douche at this point.

The dirt was levitating off the coffin, dummy. It was the last goddam scene of the whole goddam movie. If you didn't see that your blind, ignorant or willfully not acknowledging it to get a rise out of myself or others who you keep INSISTING need to defend a movie that _newsflash_ WE DIDN'T MAKE. Now I'm just gonna block you because I'm sick of you.

I'm interested in discussing this movie and the rest of the DCEU properties with people who want to discuss them, not egg people on and throw insults like a punk.
 
You don't want Zik to watch the movie. The combined might of Zik, Seaman and okb's hate might force RFX to take emergency measures and shut down the thread.
 
sea manup said:
Then why doesn't he try to kill Wonder Woman? What if she goes evil in the future? It's better to kill her now right?

Basically kill anyone who is powerful enough to cause mass destruction even if they have no intentions on causing mass distraction. Don't even bother having a conversation with this person to get a better understanding of who he is. HE MUST DIE NOW!!!1!
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Uh, he saw a picture of WW maybe mid-way through the movie. Had no idea who she was or what she's capable of.

He saw Superman accidentally destroy an entire city a year and a half before this film started.

You really can't draw your own conclusions on how the situations are different? It's fine to not like the movie or whatever but you keep asking these questions with really basic answers. There are enough potential issues with the movie where you don't need to reach for plot holes in EVERY single scene.
 
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sea manup said:
would be fun if zik loves the movie
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If that happened, yall dudes would have a challenge.

Too bad I aint like Anton or DC and love to play devil's advocate just for the hell of it.
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that would legit get 100 reps out of me, if someone were to defend this movie for 2 straight days with huge essay posts

then drop "jk, I actually have yet to see the movie" 
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Well just got back from the theater. And y'all should know what to expect by now (If not get ready for a bad time):

Have to say, this film was dope. I checked the run time right before I walked into AMC and thought that two and a half hours might be pushing it, but in hindsight it was time well spent. To the subject of Batman vs Superman, I thought they did the idea justice. One thing I really worried about when the title was first announced and the trailers first came out was that the reason for their fight would be dumb. But it wasn't. I understood it from both sides. Batman's heavily scarred by the events of Man of Steel in Metropolis, having literally been at ground zero. People he knew and employed were then also hurt in the confrontation between Superman and Zod. And nearly two years later it's still affectin Batman, to the point that he's having nightmares about Superman. I honestly thought it added something new to the character, while acknowledging previously covered ground, and nicely tied in the finale of the first film. We see the issue of superheroes needing to be held accountable for their actions over in the MCU right now and that was a big theme here, but it's something that really isn't covered that often. Realistically however, and both the DCEU and the MCU go for more realistic portrayals, its something that would be.

Tons of damage was caused by the MOS fight, the body count was mentioned here as being in the thousands. While it's not Superman's fault per se, it's something he was directly involved in and people should rightfully be divided on how to feel over it. I enjoyed the way they tied this into Bruce's personality, his anger and methods. Batman's the guy among the Justice League whose outgunned. He can't fly, can't move at super speed, and he certainly isn't going to be changing shape. When it comes to him winning a fight it's just as much about his intellect as it his his physical capabilities, and I think that (In regards to his confrontation with Superman) they really showed that here. Only part I thought they slipped up on is that he didn't construct as many Kryptonite weapons as I expected him too. But even then he still had a few traps for Superman along with the weapons he did have, which is classic Batman and exactly what i'd expect him to do, especially when he's choosing the area the fight's taking place in.

Don't know about anyone else, but I also thought the fight between Batman and Superman was pretty great. Batman came out on top, but for the fight itself there were moments Bruce was doing well and moments that Clark was doing well, and similar to Tony vs the Hulk in AoU it was pretty damn clear that our resident genius was doing everything he could not to die. So both characters were treated fairly. Both had awesome moments in comparison to the other. In terms of fighting, this is also the best live action Batman we've ever seen. Really don't even think it's a contest. Everything was extremely fluid, while also being brutal and visually didn't make Batman look like he could just take on an army with zero effort. He struggled, slipped up a time or two, but came out on top anyways. You also had him using a lot of force against his opponents and even outright killing some. This isn't the first time we've seen a live action Batman kill and while some people probably don't vibe with it, I think it fits. Especially since (Whether you liked it or not) Superman killed Zod at the end of the last film. And Lord knows that of the 3 Wonder Woman can be expected to kill someone when her film gets here.

I liked Superman in this film. Not a fan of the character, but I think he actually comes with a number of interesting ideas and questions when introduced to a world that's never seen something like him before. And I honestly think one of the best aspects of the film was the constant debate about his place in the world (And that switching back and forth between this debate and him doing various super-deeds was perfect). He's a larger than life figure with immense powers, so it's natural that he use them, but also very natural that people respect, fear, and question him. I was actually a little disappointed that his appearance in court was cut short like it was. Was interested to see what he was planning to say. I remember that when the trailers were being released Martha Kent got some flack for talking about how he didn't owe the world anything. Watching the actual scene, I still agree with her 100%. Superman doesn't owe people a damn thing, but it's the fact that he then chooses to save and help where he can that makes him the hero that he is. Not a major fan of Lois Lane's actress, but I think her relationship with Clark works. If there's one thing I was disappointed by for Superman it's that his fight with Doomsday didn't go on a little longer before Bruce and Diana got involved. Like, Superman vs Doomsday is basically THE fight for Superman. It's a championship match on the scale of Rocky vs Apollo. I think a few more minutes wouldn't have been out of the question.

On that note, I actually don't know that i was satisfied with Doomsday here. He appeared, did his stuff, was definitely tough, but at the end I kind of left the film feeling that he just...wasn't as good as everyone else in terms of a performance. Like they could've used a bunch of other villains and it would've been just fine.

When I first heard about their being multiple cameos in this film I thought that it was one more example of how DC was trying to catch up to Marvel instead of putting in the proper time and effort to develop this universe. Still think that way to an extent, but I also liked every single cameo they did for their Justice League film. Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman (Especially Aquaman), all were great. Gave you hints/glimpses of the characters to peak your interest, but not enough to satisfy you. And of course it's Lex Luthor who has been keeping track of these people, because that's what Lex Luthor does. With his obsession with Superman why would he not put some research into other powered beings? I've honestly wondered why you never really see him doing that in various other depictions honestly, because it's not like he doesn't have the resources to easily do so.

That being said, unlike Affleck I wasn't sure whether he could pull it off, but I thought Eisenberg's performance was solid. Best Lex Luthor i've ever seen? No, that honor still goes to Michael Rosenbaum, but this was a good version as well. He's...different than the others. Definitely has that young feeling to him, but there are also just a lot of personality quirks that set him apart as well, such as the manic way he speaks sometimes. While different, I thought it worked. And you can still see the same egocentrism and paranoia about people with more power than him. Lex and Clark barely even interacted with one another, but it was clear how much Lex despised this man he'd never met and that for all his intelligence this man is someone he just doesn't understand at the end of the day, and never will understand no matter what he does. His entire speech about God being all powerful and not being able to be all good was excellent. And if there's one thing that I can say I really just didn't like it was him creating Doomsday. Thought that was pushing it a little too far, with him using his blood and all.

I saw some people beforehand talking about how Wonder Woman stole the show and I really don't see how. She was good, most definitely, so I can see why people liked this portrayal, but at no moment did she come off with the same presence as Batman or Superman. That being said, similar to the cameos, I think they did a perfect job setting her character up. They were very certain to ensure that she really didn't have any bad moments. Superman looked awesome, Superman looked bad. Batman looked awesome, Batman looked bad. Wonder Woman only did cool stuff and it probably somewhat has to do with the fact that she isn't as popular as the other two, but I think almost certainly has to do with the fact that they really wanted people to see her in her full glory, however briefly, to get them excited for her film. I can honestly say that I don't know that i've ever been looking forward to an appearance of the character as much as I am now. I actually left the theater wanting to see her film, whereas beforehand I couldn't have cared less. In combat, she looked extremely graceful, yet powerful. When she was getting beat up by Doomsday she even smilled once. As a person that comes from a warrior race, who has been trained since birth to fight, that's exactly how she should be. She should enjoy fighting and be somewhat excited by a challenge and for her storyline you really didn't find out what it was about. The most you got was the picture of her with a bunch of people back in the 1900s, which again perfectly adds to the setup for her own film.

Can't say this is my favorite Superman film because I wouldn't really call it a Superman film. Batman and Superman share it equally. (It's then not my favorite Batman film because of Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy obviously). But I will say it's my favorite film where Superman has appeared in a main role. Think that it was better than Man of Steel and that DC's done a good job laying some actual groundwork for further films down the line. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are three of the most iconic figures in history and getting to see them on-screen, finally, was epic in my opinion. Was this as good as The Avengers to me? No, but it was very good nonetheless. Superman was solid. Wonder Woman was treated with the respect that the character deserves. Batman, as the one with the most exposure in the live action arena, might be the most polarizing figure here to some I think, because we've had so many different portrayals of him. I think that the average fan will love him, that they'll love the anger and roughness of an older Bruce Wayne. Me? He was great, Affleck gave one hell of a performance, but I think right now I might still prefer Bale (Besides the fighting, in which it's again just not a contest). Though that has a lot to do with the type of Batman I prefer. I do think that everyone can be happy with him here though. We don't need one, but i'm kind of disappointed that we won't be getting some solo Bat-films for Affleck (At least not for a while) in order to learn more about the Batman of this universe. But similar to the JLA i'm sure that'll be explained more over time.

So overall, I again thought the film was great. I'm actually fairly impressed, as I went in not expecting much from DC and they delivered and then some. Really interested to see how they handle things from now on, especially with Suicide Squad being up next.
 
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sea manup said:
Then why doesn't he try to kill Wonder Woman? What if she goes evil in the future? It's better to kill her now right?

Basically kill anyone who is powerful enough to cause mass destruction even if they have no intentions on causing mass distraction. Don't even bother having a conversation with this person to get a better understanding of who he is. HE MUST DIE NOW!!!1!
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Uh, he saw a picture of WW maybe mid-way through the movie. Had no idea who she was or what she's capable of.

He saw Superman accidentally destroy an entire city a year and a half before this film started.

You really can't draw your own conclusions on how the situations are different? It's fine to not like the movie or whatever but you keep asking these questions with really basic answers. There are enough potential issues with the movie where you don't need to reach for plot holes in EVERY single scene.
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you still have not answered the question

WHY DOES OUR "HERO" SPEND THE ENTIRE MOVIE PLOTTING TO MURDER SOMEONE?

if a complete stranger has the potential to destroy the world, but seems to be an upstanding citizen, would it not be logical to have a conversation with this man instead of trying to kill him no matter what the circumstance?

again, all the preptime used to create ways to kill superman, totally makes sense. wanting to murder superman without finding out who he is, makes no sense at all.

but then again, the screenwriters didnt allow batman to have a conversation with superman because they had no idea what superman's character stood for. 

there are basic answers to anything, but when the basic answers are intellectually insulting, they hardly qualify as viable answers. 
 
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sea manup said:
no, you never addressed the overall point of superman not having a defined character. because you cant without writing more fan fiction

I'm sticking to events that happened in the movie I watched you are writing fan fiction to explain things that the filmmakers made no effort at all to explain

you claim that I cant compare these characters to past versions when 90% of your arguments are explaining non existent character motivations and plotholes by saying "based on the comics" and "they will address that in later movies". 

stop your fanboying and look at this movie for what it is, a bunch of characters with poorly thought out motivations in a paper thin plot. 
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You know what, FOH with your fan fiction fanboy bull*** insult NONSENSE.

For F***s sake WE GET IT. YOU DON'T LIKE THE MOVIE. COOL. ENOUGH.

I tried having a civil conversation (a "Discussion" before you post your damn NT wikipedia entry again) and you keep poking poking poking. Screw you. You're just being a douche at this point.

The dirt was levitating off the coffin, dummy. It was the last goddam scene of the whole goddam movie. If you didn't see that your blind, ignorant or willfully not acknowledging it to get a rise out of myself or others who you keep INSISTING need to defend a movie that _newsflash_ WE DIDN'T MAKE. Now I'm just gonna block you because I'm sick of you.

I'm interested in discussing this movie and the rest of the DCEU properties with people who want to discuss them, not egg people on and throw insults like a punk.
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gets called out on all his answers being fan fiction that is not even remotely implied in the movie and throws a temper tantrum

blocking on NT is meaningless, no one can resist clicking that "This post is from a blocked user" button so I know he will read this 
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Jays25 said:
Well just got back from the theater. And y'all should know what to expect by now (If not get ready for a bad time):

Have to say, this film was dope. I checked the run time right before I walked into AMC and thought that two and a half hours might be pushing it, but in hindsight it was time well spent. To the subject of Batman vs Superman, I thought they did the idea justice. One thing I really worried about when the title was first announced and the trailers first came out was that the reason for their fight would be dumb. But it wasn't. I understood it from both sides. Batman's heavily scarred by the events of Man of Steel in Metropolis, having literally been at ground zero. People he knew and employed were then also hurt in the confrontation between Superman and Zod. And nearly two years later it's still affectin Batman, to the point that he's having nightmares about Superman. I honestly thought it added something new to the character, while acknowledging previously covered ground, and nicely tied in the finale of the first film. We see the issue of superheroes needing to be held accountable for their actions over in the MCU right now and that was a big theme here, but it's something that really isn't covered that often. Realistically however, and both the DCEU and the MCU go for more realistic portrayals, its something that would be.

Tons of damage was caused by the MOS fight, the body count was mentioned here as being in the thousands. While it's not Superman's fault per se, it's something he was directly involved in and people should rightfully be divided on how to feel over it. I enjoyed the way they tied this into Bruce's personality, his anger and methods. Batman's the guy among the Justice League whose outgunned. He can't fly, can't move at super speed, and he certainly isn't going to be changing shape. When it comes to him winning a fight it's just as much about his intellect as it his his physical capabilities, and I think that (In regards to his confrontation with Superman) they really showed that here. Only part I thought they slipped up on is that he didn't construct as many Kryptonite weapons as I expected him too. But even then he still had a few traps for Superman along with the weapons he did have, which is classic Batman and exactly what i'd expect him to do, especially when he's choosing the area the fight's taking place in.

Don't know about anyone else, but I also thought the fight between Batman and Superman was pretty great. Batman came out on top, but for the fight itself there were moments Bruce was doing well and moments that Clark was doing well, and similar to Tony vs the Hulk in AoU it was pretty damn clear that our resident genius was doing everything he could not to die. So both characters were treated fairly. Both had awesome moments in comparison to the other. In terms of fighting, this is also the best live action Batman we've ever seen. Really don't even think it's a contest. Everything was extremely fluid, while also being brutal and visually didn't make Batman look like he could just take on an army with zero effort. He struggled, slipped up a time or two, but came out on top anyways. You also had him using a lot of force against his opponents and even outright killing some. This isn't the first time we've seen a live action Batman kill and while some people probably don't vibe with it, I think it fits. Especially since (Whether you liked it or not) Superman killed Zod at the end of the last film. And Lord knows that of the 3 Wonder Woman can be expected to kill someone when her film gets here.

I liked Superman in this film. Not a fan of the character, but I think he actually comes with a number of interesting ideas and questions when introduced to a world that's never seen something like him before. And I honestly think one of the best aspects of the film was the constant debate about his place in the world (And that switching back and forth between this debate and him doing various super-deeds was perfect). He's a larger than life figure with immense powers, so it's natural that he use them, but also very natural that people respect, fear, and question him. I was actually a little disappointed that his appearance in court was cut short like it was. Was interested to see what he was planning to say. I remember that when the trailers were being released Martha Kent got some flack for talking about how he didn't owe the world anything. Watching the actual scene, I still agree with her 100%. Superman doesn't owe people a damn thing, but it's the fact that he then chooses to save and help where he can that makes him the hero that he is. Not a major fan of Lois Lane's actress, but I think her relationship with Clark works. If there's one thing I was disappointed by for Superman it's that his fight with Doomsday didn't go on a little longer before Bruce and Diana got involved. Like, Superman vs Doomsday is basically THE fight for Superman. It's a championship match on the scale of Rocky vs Apollo. I think a few more minutes wouldn't have been out of the question.

On that note, I actually don't know that i was satisfied with Doomsday here. He appeared, did his stuff, was definitely tough, but at the end I kind of left the film feeling that he just...wasn't as good as everyone else in terms of a performance. Like they could've used a bunch of other villains and it would've been just fine.

When I first heard about their being multiple cameos in this film I thought that it was one more example of how DC was trying to catch up to Marvel instead of putting in the proper time and effort to develop this universe. Still think that way to an extent, but I also liked every single cameo they did for their Justice League film. Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman (Especially Aquaman), all were great. Gave you hints/glimpses of the characters to peak your interest, but not enough to satisfy you. And of course it's Lex Luthor who has been keeping track of these people, because that's what Lex Luthor does. With his obsession with Superman why would he not put some research into other powered beings? I've honestly wondered why you never really see him doing that in various other depictions honestly, because it's not like he doesn't have the resources to easily do so.

That being said, unlike Affleck I wasn't sure whether he could pull it off, but I thought Eisenberg's performance was solid. Best Lex Luthor i've ever seen? No, that honor still goes to Michael Rosenbaum, but this was a good version as well. He's...different than the others. Definitely has that young feeling to him, but there are also just a lot of personality quirks that set him apart as well, such as the manic way he speaks sometimes. While different, I thought it worked. And you can still see the same egocentrism and paranoia about people with more power than him. Lex and Clark barely even interacted with one another, but it was clear how much Lex despised this man he'd never met and that for all his intelligence this man is someone he just doesn't understand at the end of the day, and never will understand no matter what he does. His entire speech about God being all powerful and not being able to be all good was excellent. And if there's one thing that I can say I really just didn't like it was him creating Doomsday. Thought that was pushing it a little too far, with him using his blood and all.

I saw some people beforehand talking about how Wonder Woman stole the show and I really don't see how. She was good, most definitely, so I can see why people liked this portrayal, but at no moment did she come off with the same presence as Batman or Superman. That being said, similar to the cameos, I think they did a perfect job setting her character up. They were very certain to ensure that she really didn't have any bad moments. Superman looked awesome, Superman looked bad. Batman looked awesome, Batman looked bad. Wonder Woman only did cool stuff and it probably somewhat has to do with the fact that she isn't as popular as the other two, but I think almost certainly has to do with the fact that they really wanted people to see her in her full glory, however briefly, to get them excited for her film. I can honestly say that I don't know that i've ever been looking forward to an appearance of the character as much as I am now. I actually left the theater wanting to see her film, whereas beforehand I couldn't have cared less. In combat, she looked extremely graceful, yet powerful. When she was getting beat up by Doomsday she even smilled once. As a person that comes from a warrior race, who has been trained since birth to fight, that's exactly how she should be. She should enjoy fighting and be somewhat excited by a challenge and for her storyline you really didn't find out what it was about. The most you got was the picture of her with a bunch of people back in the 1900s, which again perfectly adds to the setup for her own film.

Can't say this is my favorite Superman film because I wouldn't really call it a Superman film. Batman and Superman share it equally. (It's then not my favorite Batman film because of Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy obviously). But I will say it's my favorite film where Superman has appeared in a main role. Think that it was better than Man of Steel and that DC's done a good job laying some actual groundwork for further films down the line. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are three of the most iconic figures in history and getting to see them on-screen, finally, was epic in my opinion. Was this as good as The Avengers to me? No, but it was very good nonetheless. Superman was solid. Wonder Woman was treated with the respect that the character deserves. Batman, as the one with the most exposure in the live action arena, might be the most polarizing figure here to some I think, because we've had so many different portrayals of him. I think that the average fan will love him, that they'll love the anger and roughness of an older Bruce Wayne. Me? He was great, Affleck gave one hell of a performance, but I think right now I might still prefer Bale (Besides the fighting, in which it's again just not a contest). Though that has a lot to do with the type of Batman I prefer. I do think that everyone can be happy with him here though. We don't need one, but i'm kind of disappointed that we won't be getting some solo Bat-films for Affleck (At least not for a while) in order to learn more about the Batman of this universe. But similar to the JLA i'm sure that'll be explained more over time.

So overall, I again thought the film was great. I'm actually fairly impressed, as I went in not expecting much from DC and they delivered and then some. Really interested to see how they handle things from now on, especially with Suicide Squad being up next.
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*edit You liked this movie. If Zik ends up liking this too, it confirms my suspicions about #teamironman
 
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Fresh Like Will said:
sea manup said:
would be fun if zik loves the movie :lol:
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Bruh. I would seriously be concerned about him. He's led the charge against it for the last couple years it seems. All those battles with RFX. :lol:
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Man what charge? :lol: I called what sucks sucky and stood firm with my opinion.

If I liked something I said it, if I didn't like it I did too. Aint really been 3 years. DC just had to push this movie back a whole year which ****** this up. So ppl just waiting around in here.

Yall all forget for the most part I liked the BvS trailers more than those SS one

Aint my fault DC/WB went from TDKR to GL to MOS.
 
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I guess I did forget. Because I really don't remember you liking anything about BVS, but this thread's been up for nearly 3 years.

I remember you guys nitpicking the trailers though. Like Batman swerving into Supes for example.
 
Jays25 said:
Well just got back from the theater. And y'all should know what to expect by now (If not get ready for a bad time):
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Great review, man. Thanks for taking the time to put all that down! Yeah, I was hoping they'd have given WW more lines, maybe at the party, to flesh her out a bit more too. And some more Supes solo vs. Doomsday woulda been great, too, either before or after Bats & WW got involved. But yeah, you pretty much echoed all of my thoughts on the movie.
 
Jays25 said:
Well just got back from the theater. And y'all should know what to expect by now (If not get ready for a bad time):

Have to say, this film was dope. I checked the run time right before I walked into AMC and thought that two and a half hours might be pushing it, but in hindsight it was time well spent. To the subject of Batman vs Superman, I thought they did the idea justice. One thing I really worried about when the title was first announced and the trailers first came out was that the reason for their fight would be dumb. But it wasn't. I understood it from both sides. Batman's heavily scarred by the events of Man of Steel in Metropolis, having literally been at ground zero. People he knew and employed were then also hurt in the confrontation between Superman and Zod. And nearly two years later it's still affectin Batman, to the point that he's having nightmares about Superman. I honestly thought it added something new to the character, while acknowledging previously covered ground, and nicely tied in the finale of the first film. We see the issue of superheroes needing to be held accountable for their actions over in the MCU right now and that was a big theme here, but it's something that really isn't covered that often. Realistically however, and both the DCEU and the MCU go for more realistic portrayals, its something that would be.

Tons of damage was caused by the MOS fight, the body count was mentioned here as being in the thousands. While it's not Superman's fault per se, it's something he was directly involved in and people should rightfully be divided on how to feel over it. I enjoyed the way they tied this into Bruce's personality, his anger and methods. Batman's the guy among the Justice League whose outgunned. He can't fly, can't move at super speed, and he certainly isn't going to be changing shape. When it comes to him winning a fight it's just as much about his intellect as it his his physical capabilities, and I think that (In regards to his confrontation with Superman) they really showed that here. Only part I thought they slipped up on is that he didn't construct as many Kryptonite weapons as I expected him too. But even then he still had a few traps for Superman along with the weapons he did have, which is classic Batman and exactly what i'd expect him to do, especially when he's choosing the area the fight's taking place in.

Don't know about anyone else, but I also thought the fight between Batman and Superman was pretty great. Batman came out on top, but for the fight itself there were moments Bruce was doing well and moments that Clark was doing well, and similar to Tony vs the Hulk in AoU it was pretty damn clear that our resident genius was doing everything he could not to die. So both characters were treated fairly. Both had awesome moments in comparison to the other. In terms of fighting, this is also the best live action Batman we've ever seen. Really don't even think it's a contest. Everything was extremely fluid, while also being brutal and visually didn't make Batman look like he could just take on an army with zero effort. He struggled, slipped up a time or two, but came out on top anyways. You also had him using a lot of force against his opponents and even outright killing some. This isn't the first time we've seen a live action Batman kill and while some people probably don't vibe with it, I think it fits. Especially since (Whether you liked it or not) Superman killed Zod at the end of the last film. And Lord knows that of the 3 Wonder Woman can be expected to kill someone when her film gets here.

I liked Superman in this film. Not a fan of the character, but I think he actually comes with a number of interesting ideas and questions when introduced to a world that's never seen something like him before. And I honestly think one of the best aspects of the film was the constant debate about his place in the world (And that switching back and forth between this debate and him doing various super-deeds was perfect). He's a larger than life figure with immense powers, so it's natural that he use them, but also very natural that people respect, fear, and question him. I was actually a little disappointed that his appearance in court was cut short like it was. Was interested to see what he was planning to say. I remember that when the trailers were being released Martha Kent got some flack for talking about how he didn't owe the world anything. Watching the actual scene, I still agree with her 100%. Superman doesn't owe people a damn thing, but it's the fact that he then chooses to save and help where he can that makes him the hero that he is. Not a major fan of Lois Lane's actress, but I think her relationship with Clark works. If there's one thing I was disappointed by for Superman it's that his fight with Doomsday didn't go on a little longer before Bruce and Diana got involved. Like, Superman vs Doomsday is basically THE fight for Superman. It's a championship match on the scale of Rocky vs Apollo. I think a few more minutes wouldn't have been out of the question.

On that note, I actually don't know that i was satisfied with Doomsday here. He appeared, did his stuff, was definitely tough, but at the end I kind of left the film feeling that he just...wasn't as good as everyone else in terms of a performance. Like they could've used a bunch of other villains and it would've been just fine.

When I first heard about their being multiple cameos in this film I thought that it was one more example of how DC was trying to catch up to Marvel instead of putting in the proper time and effort to develop this universe. Still think that way to an extent, but I also liked every single cameo they did for their Justice League film. Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman (Especially Aquaman), all were great. Gave you hints/glimpses of the characters to peak your interest, but not enough to satisfy you. And of course it's Lex Luthor who has been keeping track of these people, because that's what Lex Luthor does. With his obsession with Superman why would he not put some research into other powered beings? I've honestly wondered why you never really see him doing that in various other depictions honestly, because it's not like he doesn't have the resources to easily do so.

That being said, unlike Affleck I wasn't sure whether he could pull it off, but I thought Eisenberg's performance was solid. Best Lex Luthor i've ever seen? No, that honor still goes to Michael Rosenbaum, but this was a good version as well. He's...different than the others. Definitely has that young feeling to him, but there are also just a lot of personality quirks that set him apart as well, such as the manic way he speaks sometimes. While different, I thought it worked. And you can still see the same egocentrism and paranoia about people with more power than him. Lex and Clark barely even interacted with one another, but it was clear how much Lex despised this man he'd never met and that for all his intelligence this man is someone he just doesn't understand at the end of the day, and never will understand no matter what he does. His entire speech about God being all powerful and not being able to be all good was excellent. And if there's one thing that I can say I really just didn't like it was him creating Doomsday. Thought that was pushing it a little too far, with him using his blood and all.

I saw some people beforehand talking about how Wonder Woman stole the show and I really don't see how. She was good, most definitely, so I can see why people liked this portrayal, but at no moment did she come off with the same presence as Batman or Superman. That being said, similar to the cameos, I think they did a perfect job setting her character up. They were very certain to ensure that she really didn't have any bad moments. Superman looked awesome, Superman looked bad. Batman looked awesome, Batman looked bad. Wonder Woman only did cool stuff and it probably somewhat has to do with the fact that she isn't as popular as the other two, but I think almost certainly has to do with the fact that they really wanted people to see her in her full glory, however briefly, to get them excited for her film. I can honestly say that I don't know that i've ever been looking forward to an appearance of the character as much as I am now. I actually left the theater wanting to see her film, whereas beforehand I couldn't have cared less. In combat, she looked extremely graceful, yet powerful. When she was getting beat up by Doomsday she even smilled once. As a person that comes from a warrior race, who has been trained since birth to fight, that's exactly how she should be. She should enjoy fighting and be somewhat excited by a challenge and for her storyline you really didn't find out what it was about. The most you got was the picture of her with a bunch of people back in the 1900s, which again perfectly adds to the setup for her own film.

Can't say this is my favorite Superman film because I wouldn't really call it a Superman film. Batman and Superman share it equally. (It's then not my favorite Batman film because of Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy obviously). But I will say it's my favorite film where Superman has appeared in a main role. Think that it was better than Man of Steel and that DC's done a good job laying some actual groundwork for further films down the line. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are three of the most iconic figures in history and getting to see them on-screen, finally, was epic in my opinion. Was this as good as The Avengers to me? No, but it was very good nonetheless. Superman was solid. Wonder Woman was treated with the respect that the character deserves. Batman, as the one with the most exposure in the live action arena, might be the most polarizing figure here to some I think, because we've had so many different portrayals of him. I think that the average fan will love him, that they'll love the anger and roughness of an older Bruce Wayne. Me? He was great, Affleck gave one hell of a performance, but I think right now I might still prefer Bale (Besides the fighting, in which it's again just not a contest). Though that has a lot to do with the type of Batman I prefer. I do think that everyone can be happy with him here though. We don't need one, but i'm kind of disappointed that we won't be getting some solo Bat-films for Affleck (At least not for a while) in order to learn more about the Batman of this universe. But similar to the JLA i'm sure that'll be explained more over time.

So overall, I again thought the film was great. I'm actually fairly impressed, as I went in not expecting much from DC and they delivered and then some. Really interested to see how they handle things from now on, especially with Suicide Squad being up next.
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RFX post this gotdamn poll because if I see another positive review I'm gonna flip ****

OKB talmbout some yall are in the minority :smh: :lol:
 
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Well just got back from the theater. And y'all should know what to expect by now (If not get ready for a bad time):
Have to say, this film was dope. I checked the run time right before I walked into AMC and thought that two and a half hours might be pushing it, but in hindsight it was time well spent. To the subject of Batman vs Superman, I thought they did the idea justice. One thing I really worried about when the title was first announced and the trailers first came out was that the reason for their fight would be dumb. But it wasn't. I understood it from both sides. Batman's heavily scarred by the events of Man of Steel in Metropolis, having literally been at ground zero. People he knew and employed were then also hurt in the confrontation between Superman and Zod. And nearly two years later it's still affectin Batman, to the point that he's having nightmares about Superman. I honestly thought it added something new to the character, while acknowledging previously covered ground, and nicely tied in the finale of the first film. We see the issue of superheroes needing to be held accountable for their actions over in the MCU right now and that was a big theme here, but it's something that really isn't covered that often. Realistically however, and both the DCEU and the MCU go for more realistic portrayals, its something that would be.

Tons of damage was caused by the MOS fight, the body count was mentioned here as being in the thousands. While it's not Superman's fault per se, it's something he was directly involved in and people should rightfully be divided on how to feel over it. I enjoyed the way they tied this into Bruce's personality, his anger and methods. Batman's the guy among the Justice League whose outgunned. He can't fly, can't move at super speed, and he certainly isn't going to be changing shape. When it comes to him winning a fight it's just as much about his intellect as it his his physical capabilities, and I think that (In regards to his confrontation with Superman) they really showed that here. Only part I thought they slipped up on is that he didn't construct as many Kryptonite weapons as I expected him too. But even then he still had a few traps for Superman along with the weapons he did have, which is classic Batman and exactly what i'd expect him to do, especially when he's choosing the area the fight's taking place in.

Don't know about anyone else, but I also thought the fight between Batman and Superman was pretty great. Batman came out on top, but for the fight itself there were moments Bruce was doing well and moments that Clark was doing well, and similar to Tony vs the Hulk in AoU it was pretty damn clear that our resident genius was doing everything he could not to die. So both characters were treated fairly. Both had awesome moments in comparison to the other. In terms of fighting, this is also the best live action Batman we've ever seen. Really don't even think it's a contest. Everything was extremely fluid, while also being brutal and visually didn't make Batman look like he could just take on an army with zero effort. He struggled, slipped up a time or two, but came out on top anyways. You also had him using a lot of force against his opponents and even outright killing some. This isn't the first time we've seen a live action Batman kill and while some people probably don't vibe with it, I think it fits. Especially since (Whether you liked it or not) Superman killed Zod at the end of the last film. And Lord knows that of the 3 Wonder Woman can be expected to kill someone when her film gets here.

I liked Superman in this film. Not a fan of the character, but I think he actually comes with a number of interesting ideas and questions when introduced to a world that's never seen something like him before. And I honestly think one of the best aspects of the film was the constant debate about his place in the world (And that switching back and forth between this debate and him doing various super-deeds was perfect). He's a larger than life figure with immense powers, so it's natural that he use them, but also very natural that people respect, fear, and question him. I was actually a little disappointed that his appearance in court was cut short like it was. Was interested to see what he was planning to say. I remember that when the trailers were being released Martha Kent got some flack for talking about how he didn't owe the world anything. Watching the actual scene, I still agree with her 100%. Superman doesn't owe people a damn thing, but it's the fact that he then chooses to save and help where he can that makes him the hero that he is. Not a major fan of Lois Lane's actress, but I think her relationship with Clark works. If there's one thing I was disappointed by for Superman it's that his fight with Doomsday didn't go on a little longer before Bruce and Diana got involved. Like, Superman vs Doomsday is basically THE fight for Superman. It's a championship match on the scale of Rocky vs Apollo. I think a few more minutes wouldn't have been out of the question.

On that note, I actually don't know that i was satisfied with Doomsday here. He appeared, did his stuff, was definitely tough, but at the end I kind of left the film feeling that he just...wasn't as good as everyone else in terms of a performance. Like they could've used a bunch of other villains and it would've been just fine.

When I first heard about their being multiple cameos in this film I thought that it was one more example of how DC was trying to catch up to Marvel instead of putting in the proper time and effort to develop this universe. Still think that way to an extent, but I also liked every single cameo they did for their Justice League film. Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman (Especially Aquaman), all were great. Gave you hints/glimpses of the characters to peak your interest, but not enough to satisfy you. And of course it's Lex Luthor who has been keeping track of these people, because that's what Lex Luthor does. With his obsession with Superman why would he not put some research into other powered beings? I've honestly wondered why you never really see him doing that in various other depictions honestly, because it's not like he doesn't have the resources to easily do so.

That being said, unlike Affleck I wasn't sure whether he could pull it off, but I thought Eisenberg's performance was solid. Best Lex Luthor i've ever seen? No, that honor still goes to Michael Rosenbaum, but this was a good version as well. He's...different than the others. Definitely has that young feeling to him, but there are also just a lot of personality quirks that set him apart as well, such as the manic way he speaks sometimes. While different, I thought it worked. And you can still see the same egocentrism and paranoia about people with more power than him. Lex and Clark barely even interacted with one another, but it was clear how much Lex despised this man he'd never met and that for all his intelligence this man is someone he just doesn't understand at the end of the day, and never will understand no matter what he does. His entire speech about God being all powerful and not being able to be all good was excellent. And if there's one thing that I can say I really just didn't like it was him creating Doomsday. Thought that was pushing it a little too far, with him using his blood and all.

I saw some people beforehand talking about how Wonder Woman stole the show and I really don't see how. She was good, most definitely, so I can see why people liked this portrayal, but at no moment did she come off with the same presence as Batman or Superman. That being said, similar to the cameos, I think they did a perfect job setting her character up. They were very certain to ensure that she really didn't have any bad moments. Superman looked awesome, Superman looked bad. Batman looked awesome, Batman looked bad. Wonder Woman only did cool stuff and it probably somewhat has to do with the fact that she isn't as popular as the other two, but I think almost certainly has to do with the fact that they really wanted people to see her in her full glory, however briefly, to get them excited for her film. I can honestly say that I don't know that i've ever been looking forward to an appearance of the character as much as I am now. I actually left the theater wanting to see her film, whereas beforehand I couldn't have cared less. In combat, she looked extremely graceful, yet powerful. When she was getting beat up by Doomsday she even smilled once. As a person that comes from a warrior race, who has been trained since birth to fight, that's exactly how she should be. She should enjoy fighting and be somewhat excited by a challenge and for her storyline you really didn't find out what it was about. The most you got was the picture of her with a bunch of people back in the 1900s, which again perfectly adds to the setup for her own film.

Can't say this is my favorite Superman film because I wouldn't really call it a Superman film. Batman and Superman share it equally. (It's then not my favorite Batman film because of Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy obviously). But I will say it's my favorite film where Superman has appeared in a main role. Think that it was better than Man of Steel and that DC's done a good job laying some actual groundwork for further films down the line. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are three of the most iconic figures in history and getting to see them on-screen, finally, was epic in my opinion. Was this as good as The Avengers to me? No, but it was very good nonetheless. Superman was solid. Wonder Woman was treated with the respect that the character deserves. Batman, as the one with the most exposure in the live action arena, might be the most polarizing figure here to some I think, because we've had so many different portrayals of him. I think that the average fan will love him, that they'll love the anger and roughness of an older Bruce Wayne. Me? He was great, Affleck gave one hell of a performance, but I think right now I might still prefer Bale (Besides the fighting, in which it's again just not a contest). Though that has a lot to do with the type of Batman I prefer. I do think that everyone can be happy with him here though. We don't need one, but i'm kind of disappointed that we won't be getting some solo Bat-films for Affleck (At least not for a while) in order to learn more about the Batman of this universe. But similar to the JLA i'm sure that'll be explained more over time.

So overall, I again thought the film was great. I'm actually fairly impressed, as I went in not expecting much from DC and they delivered and then some. Really interested to see how they handle things from now on, especially with Suicide Squad being up next.
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RFX post this gotdamn poll because if I see another positive review I'm gonna flip ****

OKB talmbout some yall are in the minority
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Fresh Like Will said:
I guess I did forget. Because I really don't remember you liking anything about BVS, but this thread's been up for nearly 3 years.

I remember you guys nitpicking the trailers though. Like Batman swerving into Supes for example.
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I made fun of it cuz I found one hilarious. I wasn't like Bats swerved in to Supes like an idiot so this is going to be a terrible movie.

Just having some fun.
 
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Did i just see some say IM3 was better than this movie? :x FOH IM3 was ******* horrible. Ill never get those hours of my life back. That movie was so trash, my cousin sold a majority of his Ironman collection cause of that movie :lol:

Batman & Robin was better than IM3...I hate that damn movie lol
 
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I thought the assumption was that I was talking about the general audience and not movie critics, because I see an audience score of 73% *Kanyeshrug*
 
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