CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLIDER (04/04/14) - BluRay 09/09/14

[rfx45]

Feige already confirmed the Tesseract is the Space Gem. Cosmic Cube = Tesseract.

Scepter obviously has the Mind Gem since it was used to control Hawkeye, Selvic and a bunch of other people.

 

[sunshineblotters]

I keep calling the scepter the tesseract. My bad. What i really meant was Tesseract/Cosmic Cube=Space, Scepter=Mind, Aether=Power. I just wasnt sure if each gem would have a dedicated purpose since it seems odd that they would make the cosmic cube a gem. Weakening it from its use in the comics

 

[sunshineblotters]

Also wonder how they will do the time gem. Tine travel movies are always the ones that make me think "I know it is a movie but why couldnt they do x or y or z"

 

[kal-el-8]

Movie was one of the best marvel has put out.

Had me like the whole movie


Loved it

 

[tay1]

Saw it again. Beautiful

No complaints at all.

 

[oidreez]

What if I didnt watch the first one?

 

[jaypesoz]

What if I didnt watch the first one?

You'll be alright if you don't but I would just so the little references make more sense to you.

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Ledger is GOAT villan no question. Ruthless funny and brilliant nobody was safe around dude.
Loki though I loved his direction just wasn't a real terror. . More like a pest but a real smart one.
TWS and the way he was utilized was perfect... every time you saw dude he was the ultimate weapon. Death and destruction. I loved the fact the he wasn't all through the movie every scene. Because when he was. It was bi'ness... no need to talk. IMO haven't felt that way about a villan since Ledger... sorry Loki would be 3rd followed by BANE

 

[jaypesoz]

Spoiler

I felt bad for what happened to Peggy Carter and I'm glad they never really mentioned Agent 13 being her granddaughter or anything yet

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Spoiler

I felt bad for what happened to Peggy Carter and I'm glad they never really mentioned Agent 13 being her granddaughter or anything yet

Explain

 

[jaypesoz]

Spoiler

I felt bad for what happened to Peggy Carter and I'm glad they never really mentioned Agent 13 being her granddaughter or anything yet

Explain

Spoiler

Well, Peggy has Alzheimer disease now. Pretty sad stuff when she showed it in the movie

And Agent 13 is Sharon Carter. I'm guessing she'll be revealed as Peggy's granddaughter later on. Even Black Widow suggested he take her out at the end.

 

[brutalkidalex]

Movie was dope
Best marvel film to date
Cap was a beast with that shield
Falcon was legit good in the film
So was black widow
This movie didn't even feel like a super hero movie
Almost felt like a Bourne movie with a shield
Movie was dope best to date

cap is always a beast with the shield 

 

[brutalkidalex]

Ledger is GOAT villan no question. Ruthless funny and brilliant nobody was safe around dude.
Loki though I loved his direction just wasn't a real terror. . More like a pest but a real smart one.
TWS and the way he was utilized was perfect... every time you saw dude he was the ultimate weapon. Death and destruction. I loved the fact the he wasn't all through the movie every scene. Because when he was. It was bi'ness... no need to talk. IMO haven't felt that way about a villan since Ledger... sorry Loki would be 3rd followed by BANE

not the goat but a dope villain i agree

 

[noblekane]

Relax. Dude will have played Cap for a good amount of years by the time his contract is up. He has every right to pursue other things. 6 movies is a big commitment. 

no i will NOT relax

 

[sunshineblotters]

Spoiler

Well, Peggy has Alzheimer disease now. Pretty sad stuff when she showed it in the movie

And Agent 13 is Sharon Carter. I'm guessing she'll be revealed as Peggy's granddaughter later on. Even Black Widow suggested he take her out at the end.

Spoiler

It's her neice (retconned from sister). I doubt they will reveal her as grandaughter. Likely great aunt. A lot less weird imo. If it was grand daughter it would be the granddaughter i never had relationship

 

[noblekane]

What if I didnt watch the first one?

what would dipset do?

 

[jaypesoz]

Spoiler

Well, Peggy has Alzheimer disease now. Pretty sad stuff when she showed it in the movie

And Agent 13 is Sharon Carter. I'm guessing she'll be revealed as Peggy's granddaughter later on. Even Black Widow suggested he take her out at the end.

Spoiler

It's her neice (retconned from sister). I doubt they will reveal her as grandaughter. Likely great aunt. A lot less weird imo. If it was grand daughter it would be the granddaughter i never had relationship

Spoiler

She's kinda young to be a niece to a 90 year old lady, no?

I doesn't really matter to me, just sayin'...

 

[dwileykyot]

Not reading any posts...

About to go catch a matinee ... Been hearing good things

Just watched the 1st one again last night

 

[blastercombo]

Ledger is GOAT villan no question. Ruthless funny and brilliant nobody was safe around dude.
Loki though I loved his direction just wasn't a real terror. . More like a pest but a real smart one.
TWS and the way he was utilized was perfect... every time you saw dude he was the ultimate weapon. Death and destruction. I loved the fact the he wasn't all through the movie every scene. Because when he was. It was bi'ness... no need to talk. IMO haven't felt that way about a villan since Ledger... sorry Loki would be 3rd followed by BANE

Loki is meh to me. The Thor movies never feel like they're in any real danger. A good villain is one where you kinda want them to win. A character that you want to see on screen more than the hero. IMO marvel has yet to do that (haven't seen cap 2 yet btw).

 

[CP1708]

My review

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Man, blown away.

First off, Winter Soldier was everything I could ask for. Menacing as ****, sick with the danger, and an absolute bad ***. My lone, small complaint, was lack of dialogue. He was more Boba Fett than Vader, so to speak. Where Joker and Bane lived off their actions AND dialogue, TWS didn’t have that. He had the look, he had the action, but he didn’t deliver the powerful lines that take a movie from greatness, to iconic.

Evans as Cap tho, really blossomed. He fits, and he did his job perfectly in this one. At his core, he keeps the Cap “values” in focus. Truth, freedom, protect the innocent, right-wrong, etc. Any movie of this nature is going to hinge on the bad guy being a real enough threat but Evans managed to hold his own and balance what we as viewers really want, the good guy to pull it off in the end, etc.

Black Widow is doin work. I did not expect Scarlett’s role to expand this much, but I am glad it did. She is doing a great job, and I absolutely support a Black Widow stand alone. She fits, she really does. The scene with the drive missing from the vending machine and she walks up chewing bubble gum had me cackling for a good while. The humor overall was much more subtle than Thor 2 was, and much more clever, imo. That scene, and her constantly mentioning dates was a great balance.

Nick Fury gettin loose was a nice touch as well. Being the 9th film is giving them the chance to start exploring these roles, and Samuel was certainly up for this one.

The foreshadow with Winter Soldier holding the shield.

Agent Cobie and agent 13, perfect blending and balance to all the testosterone.


Crossbones was pretty bad *** as well, and looked like a good fit in the universe. Look forward to him comin back soon. Zola was sort of a cool way to bring back the old Hydra stuff, I was really intrigued by that. Speaking of, really enjoyed the go back to the pre Cap days with Bucky and skinny Evans. I liked that blend quite well. Seeing the anguish Cap had when he realized who Winter Soldier was was a nice touch, and of course having Soldier get Cap out of the river was an excellent way to show Bucky is still in there. I liked that he drug him out, but then left him there. Perfect. Doc Ock always bothered me how he went from meaning well scientist, to out of control monster, to let me save the day Ock all in 2 hours. Let Soldier do a solid, but not just cave all the way in and become some nice guy all of a sudden. He paid the respect for Cap not crushing him when he was pinned, but he didn’t just swing back right away. I loved that give and take between the two. Cap was willing to die to show his “friend” he wouldn’t fight, and the bad guy had the respect to save someone that didn’t just kill him when he was at his weakest.

Robert Redford was solid, and I agree 100 million percent with RFX, if he would have ripped his face off to reveal Red Skull, I would have passed the hell out.


The action in this film upped everything outside of Avengers. Thor 2 upped the ante, and Cap has now called and raised. Loved Black Falcon flying around, the helicarriers, the gun/knife fight in the streets, the Fury car chase, the elevator, the opening ship sequence, all of it. So well done, and the perfect follow up after the 1945 era style they went for. Really really hit home.

Loved the photos of Tommy Lee Jones, and the cast from Cap 1, solid way to blend the two together.


The Twins scene after credits. So, so, so ready.


I need a little time, but I expect to slot this as thee best Marvel film after maybe the Avengers. I still appreciate the effort of having the whole group on screen, and the epicness of that film to leave at 1 for now, but Winter Soldier is more than likely the better film overall. After some time, and another viewing, I might just bump it to the top of the list. It’s certainly up there. This film does not have a lot of holes.

*(one small complaint, one call to the Hulk, and those helicarriers never get in the air, I think that’s kind of worth a mention, but again, standalones are standalones for a reason )

 

[rfx45]

Ledger is GOAT villan no question. Ruthless funny and brilliant nobody was safe around dude.
Loki though I loved his direction just wasn't a real terror. . More like a pest but a real smart one.
TWS and the way he was utilized was perfect... every time you saw dude he was the ultimate weapon. Death and destruction. I loved the fact the he wasn't all through the movie every scene. Because when he was. It was bi'ness... no need to talk. IMO haven't felt that way about a villan since Ledger... sorry Loki would be 3rd followed by BANE

He is still very one-dimensional in the film. They barely even touched up on his struggle to fight Cap, he got a lot more interesting in the end credit when he finally finds out that Cap was actually his friend. If you really look at him, he is a bad m'fer henchman that just happens to be Caps brainwashed friend and that had great scenes but not much else. Bane was a bad m'fer that actually got things done and was actually smart to accomplish them but many still just see him as a thug in the end (I disagree) and WS did a lot less than Bane.

To me, it isn't about the danger all the time, it's the mind and process of being that villain. Seems like you only liked him because of the destruction because if that is the case, you should have loved Zod and be your number 1. And Zod had an actual purpose, he had something believe in and is actually fighting for something. WS is just ordered to do something and had very little resistance on his end.

Loki is just as complex, actually arguably more dimensional too, than Thor himself. Dude has shown more emotional range than Thor so far actually. Yeah danger of death isn't always there but that is because he is the prince of mischief but you still damn well know he is capable. You also somewhat sympathize for him at times, you kind of root for him and want to make him an anti-hero even though you know it will never happen. That's a making of a great villain to me, capable of great destruction but isn't always the thing that gets him going.

I think WS gets a leg up because this film felt less kiddish than the other films, dude were tossing people into the planes turbine engines w/o giving a damn. Plus it's more like a spy/political thriller with plenty of actions so WS looks more bad*ss but if you really looked at him, there isn't much dimension there. At least not yet. Give him one more movie where it is more focused on him being mind'f'd and he'll get his place up there but not yet. He was pretty much Crossbone but brainwashed and had a history with Cap and had cooler fighting scenes.

 

[rfx45]

Black Widow is doin work. pimp.gif I did not expect Scarlett’s role to expand this much, but I am glad it did. She is doing a great job, and I absolutely support a Black Widow stand alone. She fits, she really does.

She was definitely great in a film but I still have very little interest in a stand-alone movie for her, maybe a BW and Hawkeye kind of got my interest a bit more than before but I just really rather that one movie slot go to BP, Strange or another Hulk film. I just don't think she can carry a whole film by herself.


Also, am I the only one who didn't like Sharon Carters casting? I think they could have gotten someone much better looking, she looks extra average especially when you look at Scarlet, Cobie and Hayley.

 

[kal-el-8]

 

Black Widow is doin work. pimp.gif I did not expect Scarlett’s role to expand this much, but I am glad it did. She is doing a great job, and I absolutely support a Black Widow stand alone. She fits, she really does.

She was definitely great in a film but I still have very little interest in a stand-alone movie for her, maybe a BW and Hawkeye kind of got my interest a bit more than before but I just really rather that one movie slot go to BP, Strange or another Hulk film. I just don't think she can carry a whole film by herself.


Also, am I the only one who didn't like Sharon Carters casting? I think they could have gotten someone much better looking, she looks extra average especially when you look at Scarlet, Cobie and Hayley.

Emily Van camp is beautiful man.

Absolutely beautiful

 

[tay1]

I already see a few people complaining about the utilization of TWS in other places like I thought they would. Saying he didn't get enough lines and all that. For me, he was used perfect. He's not really the schemer, just the muscle, but over time that'll change.

And I think it's safe to say that Evans owns the role. He's Cap.

 

[jaypesoz]

Black Widow is doin work. pimp.gif I did not expect Scarlett’s role to expand this much, but I am glad it did. She is doing a great job, and I absolutely support a Black Widow stand alone. She fits, she really does.

Also, am I the only one who didn't like Sharon Carters casting? I think they could have gotten someone much better looking, she looks extra average especially when you look at Scarlet, Cobie and Hayley.

She looked very beautiful in the poster I saw but when I first saw her, I kept thinking how small her face looked