Bulls offseason Thread

no all stars and 3rd best record in the west......not a bad case for COY

am i the only one who thinks nick friedell is the most useless beat reporter? i mean dude says the same generic things over and over, and never provides valuable insight
 
i dont even care to see rose play at this point
he doesn't fit in with the rest of this bulls squad..a team full of fighters who do any and everything to win
let him sit on the sideline in his ugly suits
 
mosdef24 said:
i dont even care to see rose play at this point
he doesn't fit in with the rest of this bulls squad..a team full of fighters who do any and everything to win
let him sit on the sideline in his ugly suits
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word.. even apart from the personal feelings I have towards not seeing him, I wouldn't want to disturb what we already have going. 

he really doesn't deserve any of this glory that they worked so hard for. 
 
Rose would net a couple of good players if the Bulls were to trade him. What are the bulls most pressing needs? Maybe good post up big like Al Jefferson and a good starting PG or SG :wow:
 
Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves

At its very core, the Derrick Rose saga comes down to this: doctors and Chicago Bulls officials have told him that playing at this point does not carry the potential to for re-injury. He is healed, they say, despite the fact that he doesn't feel fully comfortable. He does not believe the doctors, or else he would be playing.

On one hand, most people believe doctors. On the other, most people have not had to deal with the Bulls' doctors.

Consider last season. As is often brought up, Rose played through a plethora of maladies. Every time, the team doctors cleared him to play. Every time, he got re-injured, or discomfort with one body part resulted in an injury to another body part. He was never comfortable in 2011-12, but he played, because the Bulls told him he could play. And on that fateful day in April 2012, he blew out his ACL. He faced up to a year of not being able to do that which he loves most: play basketball.

There's no guarantee that devastating injury was caused by playing long minutes through all of those other injuries. But in that situation, avoiding a mental link between the two must be difficult, maybe impossible. Faced with such disappointment, the Butterfly Effect takes over. Every aspect of the conditions is questioned. And blaming an injury on playing with other injuries is pretty widespread and natural.

Consider Rose's teammates. Luol Deng's had a run-in with Bulls doctors in the past. Back in 2009 -- Rose's rookie season -- the Bulls declared in February that one of Deng's injuries was shrug-worthy enough that the forward should "challenge himself physically" in treatment so he could get back on the court. The Bulls released a public statement to that effect and with those three words. The quote came from Bulls team doctor Brian Cole. It was widely seen as a P.R. volley designed to get Deng back on the court for a playoff push. TrueHoop's Henry Abbott captured the mood back then.

Deng didn't feel comfortable, so his agent arranged for an outside opinion. And suddenly that day-to-day injury the Bulls couldn't believe would keep Deng out of action turned into a stress fracture serious enough to require months of rest to heal. Deng didn't play again that season. He was eventually cleared for basketball activities in July. The Bulls said Deng wasn't really injured, and told him to play. A different doctor -- the correct doctor, in this case -- told Deng he was really injured, and that he shouldn't run, jump or cut on his leg for four months.

In Game 3 of the 2011 Eastern Conference Finals, Omer Asik broke his leg. We're not talking about a stress fracture here: he broke his leg. Somehow, he got cleared to play by team doctors in Game 4. He lasted two minutes. And didn't play again until December. Based on the coverage of that incident, Asik wanted to "tough it out." No one with an MD after their name stopped him.

Brian Cole is still the Bulls' team doctor. He is, one assumes, the guy who has told Rose he won't suffer any ill effects from playing despite mental discomfort this postseason. He's the guy who told Deng to practice and potentially play on a stress fracture that eventually required four months of rest. He's the guy who should have kept Asik from playing on a broken leg. He's the guy, one assumes, who cleared Rose numerous times last season.

And after all of that, you expect Rose to march off into battle? You expect Derrick Rose to trust what has appeared under the John Paxson regime to become one of the least trustworthy and most pushy NBA franchises when it comes to injury? You expect him to trust a coach in Tom Thibodeau who repeatedly runs his players into the ground by heaping huge minutes on them? Rose's specific situation is more nuanced -- there are a million factors. But we can't ignore that one blaring horn in the fog is the team doctor's history of wrongly encouraging an injured star to continue to play an injury that would get worse with activity.

Like clockwork, in the Bulls' first round series against the Nets, Kirk Hinrich -- who has been battling injuries (as many as eight of them) all season long -- played 60 minutes (60!) in a Game 4 win. He hasn't played since due to a calf injury. Would you trust this employer with your health? I find it hard to blame Rose for doubting the team given the Bulls' history. Again, it's all more nuanced than this. Rose is practicing, reportedly well. His public statements are cryptic. One assumes he has had other doctors check him out, and there have been no reports that outside opinions disagree with the Bulls' medical staff.

But for me, so long as the framing of the saga is that Rose won't play despite being healthy, the single factor that sticks out most is how reluctant we and Rose himself should be to believe a single word the Bulls' doctors say about who is healthy and who is not. The track record speaks for itself.
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Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves

At its very core, the Derrick Rose saga comes down to this: doctors and Chicago Bulls officials have told him that playing at this point does not carry the potential to for re-injury. He is healed, they say, despite the fact that he doesn't feel fully comfortable. He does not believe the doctors, or else he would be playing.

On one hand, most people believe doctors. On the other, most people have not had to deal with the Bulls' doctors.

Consider last season. As is often brought up, Rose played through a plethora of maladies. Every time, the team doctors cleared him to play. Every time, he got re-injured, or discomfort with one body part resulted in an injury to another body part. He was never comfortable in 2011-12, but he played, because the Bulls told him he could play. And on that fateful day in April 2012, he blew out his ACL. He faced up to a year of not being able to do that which he loves most: play basketball.

There's no guarantee that devastating injury was caused by playing long minutes through all of those other injuries. But in that situation, avoiding a mental link between the two must be difficult, maybe impossible. Faced with such disappointment, the Butterfly Effect takes over. Every aspect of the conditions is questioned. And blaming an injury on playing with other injuries is pretty widespread and natural.

Consider Rose's teammates. Luol Deng's had a run-in with Bulls doctors in the past. Back in 2009 -- Rose's rookie season -- the Bulls declared in February that one of Deng's injuries was shrug-worthy enough that the forward should "challenge himself physically" in treatment so he could get back on the court. The Bulls released a public statement to that effect and with those three words. The quote came from Bulls team doctor Brian Cole. It was widely seen as a P.R. volley designed to get Deng back on the court for a playoff push. TrueHoop's Henry Abbott captured the mood back then.

Deng didn't feel comfortable, so his agent arranged for an outside opinion. And suddenly that day-to-day injury the Bulls couldn't believe would keep Deng out of action turned into a stress fracture serious enough to require months of rest to heal. Deng didn't play again that season. He was eventually cleared for basketball activities in July. The Bulls said Deng wasn't really injured, and told him to play. A different doctor -- the correct doctor, in this case -- told Deng he was really injured, and that he shouldn't run, jump or cut on his leg for four months.

In Game 3 of the 2011 Eastern Conference Finals, Omer Asik broke his leg. We're not talking about a stress fracture here: he broke his leg. Somehow, he got cleared to play by team doctors in Game 4. He lasted two minutes. And didn't play again until December. Based on the coverage of that incident, Asik wanted to "tough it out." No one with an MD after their name stopped him.

Brian Cole is still the Bulls' team doctor. He is, one assumes, the guy who has told Rose he won't suffer any ill effects from playing despite mental discomfort this postseason. He's the guy who told Deng to practice and potentially play on a stress fracture that eventually required four months of rest. He's the guy who should have kept Asik from playing on a broken leg. He's the guy, one assumes, who cleared Rose numerous times last season.

And after all of that, you expect Rose to march off into battle? You expect Derrick Rose to trust what has appeared under the John Paxson regime to become one of the least trustworthy and most pushy NBA franchises when it comes to injury? You expect him to trust a coach in Tom Thibodeau who repeatedly runs his players into the ground by heaping huge minutes on them? Rose's specific situation is more nuanced -- there are a million factors. But we can't ignore that one blaring horn in the fog is the team doctor's history of wrongly encouraging an injured star to continue to play an injury that would get worse with activity.

Like clockwork, in the Bulls' first round series against the Nets, Kirk Hinrich -- who has been battling injuries (as many as eight of them) all season long -- played 60 minutes (60!) in a Game 4 win. He hasn't played since due to a calf injury. Would you trust this employer with your health? I find it hard to blame Rose for doubting the team given the Bulls' history. Again, it's all more nuanced than this. Rose is practicing, reportedly well. His public statements are cryptic. One assumes he has had other doctors check him out, and there have been no reports that outside opinions disagree with the Bulls' medical staff.

But for me, so long as the framing of the saga is that Rose won't play despite being healthy, the single factor that sticks out most is how reluctant we and Rose himself should be to believe a single word the Bulls' doctors say about who is healthy and who is not. The track record speaks for itself.
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just forwarded that to my brother & a few other "fans" calling for rose'd head beacuse he hasnt suited up & pulled a damn willis reed
 
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I remember the Deng injury. He was called most of the same stuff that Rose is now.
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*****
soft
*****
unloyal to his team & teammates
unwilling to play even tho hes been cleared by our doc's

yeap pretty much

& its pissing me off much more than it did when people were calling for Lu's head
 
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I remember the Deng injury. He was called most of the same stuff that Rose is now.
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I remember that too. That was the year we battled Boston. Lu was called the exact same stuff Derrick is being called.

I reall wish Derrick went with Andrews for his surgery
 
jmause3 said:
I remember that too. That was the year we battled Boston. Lu was called the exact same stuff Derrick is being called.

I reall wish Derrick went with Andrews for his surgery
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difference is that derrick is healthy, fully recovered and cleared to play. playing actual games is part of the rehab process.

by his own admission he's not "mentally ready". i dont think any reasonable person wants him to play if hes hurt or susceptible to injuring himself again.
 
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL :smh: ..THIS IS HIS ONLY WAY OF EXPRESSING HIS DISGUST TOWARDS THE FACT THAT COACH SPOLESTRA WAS #2 IN COTY VOTES INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL COACH, "LEBRON" :stoneface:
 
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Plz let me know since when is a 5th seed team coach deserves COTY....let me guess...now gonna use RoseHeartless as the bases for your argument
 
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ColdCity said:
which is why his persistant trollin *** got reported ....
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OMG NOOoooo!!!!!!! PLz dont tell me you reported me!!!!!

Look at you, jimmies rustled
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jimmies still intact champ
 
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knightngale said:
Rose would net a couple of good players if the Bulls were to trade him. What are the bulls most pressing needs? Maybe good post up big like Al Jefferson and a good starting PG or SG
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Take that horse **** back to the Lakers thread with you and don't come back in here.
 
smh looking like realgm in here with some of these foolish comments about trading rose. I have mixed feelings on rose playing, of course I want our franchise player back what normal person wouldn't, on the other hand were in the playoffs we don't have much room for error. If rose really does come back the team has to look at him as a bonus and so should he.. not as the player he was, that much time off he will be rusty.

Of course no one wants that injury but playing without rose this year definitely has made this team better and players better. As the season went on and they realized rose wasn't coming back to be there savior, players were forced to step up to the plate and they did and in order to win championships thats what you need. Moving forward I think we will be an even better team now, too many times it was the rose show and we looked to him to bail us out and in today's NBA one player cant get it done. Winning that first round and taking down teams has given us more confidence and we cant lose that even if rose comes back. No matter what its been a great season
 
Did Boozer even play in the 4th Quarter in Game 1. I just remember him on the bench the whole time. Probably a good move thought because we were definitely flowing as a team then.
 
ColdCity said:
just forwarded that to my brother & a few other "fans" calling for rose'd head beacuse he hasnt suited up & pulled a damn willis reed
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I really don't understand why people are getting so mad, it's his life and nobody else can feel what he's feeling.
 
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