22 and already a mid-level executive at a large exportation? The same age as most people graduate college? I would love to hear that story but wecan save that for another post.
The sad thing is most people will ignore all this information you posted and go with the thinking that Obama's health care = socialism =bad....a most simpler, and less cognitively straining of an analysis.Originally Posted by Essential1
I decided to let this thread play out, before I made a comment so here it goes.
I watched the press conference, and watched analysis on it. It wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible. Abeautifulhaze I rewound the red pill, blue pill analogy a few times to see if I caught what you did. He has a long pause that makes it seem like a stumble but it makes sense, and is easy to follow. I agree he could have done better. But he killed the spending, debt, deficit argument. I think he gets a B overall for the conference. We needed an A+ but what he did wasn't bad. I also would like to give you props for many of your posts in this thread they were good.
Private insurance is a bureaucracy worse than government, they partake in rationing in a sense. Let me also state since September '08, 5 million Americans have been dropped from insurance. Under our health care insurance currently, nothing is determined by your doctor. If a Dr. says I need something I can be denied. So don't act like a Health Board is anywhere near the Private Insurance Board which is more intrusive into our care.
Obama's "socialist health care policy" is a Public Option and follows Capitalism principle of Competition. They compete with private insurance. A socialist plan would kill Private Insurance without competition, which isn't even socialist it is facist but for sake of argument I'll give you this nod. If you want the public option get it, if you don't do as is. And I looked at the page 16 of the bill nowhere does it say you have to stay on 1 or the other forever. That is a lie. You can switch back and forth and that is where the Public Option gets its name. We let private insurance compete against each other and cost went up. It didn't work. Your free market failed on this one. Michelle Bachman says there will be a 30-40% decrease on cost under the government's plan. Thanks crazy conservative lady for making our argument.
The reason they can't compete is because they are inefficient. High cost and treatment that doesn't equal what I am paying for. If I pay $5 for food don't get me $1 worth.
FedEx, UPS compete with USPS. Have they gone out of business? Who competes with Amtrak? Try Greyhound, City Buses, Airlines, all transportation compete with each other. Shockwave made the argument to this already.
Health care Costs 1 trillion not 1.5 trillion… $545 billion will come from the 2-3% tax increase on all money over $1million.
And I'll tell you why this bill is having trouble passing. The Dems with "balls" HA! This is where they got their balls. Ex: Max Baucus got $1.5mil from Health Care company donations in 07-08. $170 million was given to the Senate by these companies total in 07-08. To be fair Dems got 54%, but whatever party is in control gets more money see Health Care donations pre-2006. They don't have "balls" they are compromised. If there were No Health Care Lobbyists and this thing would pass with 70+ votes in the Senate. Roy Blunt the Republican who was supposed to make the Alternative Plan was asked when the plan was coming out and he said "Our bill is never going to get to the floor, so why confuse the focus? We clearly have principles; we could have language, but why start diverting attention from this really bad piece of work they've got to whatever we're offering right now?" Yeah there are other good ideas to help health care, it is to kill the only idea on the floor.
A lower income safety net would be helpful somewhat.. But the problem is more than covering some of those who are uninsured and that's cost which isn't addressed by that idea completely. It doesn't fix the MAJOR problems.
UTVol People are denied care. Pre-existing condition exemptions kill thousands a year. FACT.. It will quite possibly kill my mom's co-worker who works AT A HOSPITAL. So people who work in Medical Fields do not get treatment.
Should we fine people who don't get health care insurance? Do you guys have car insurance? If not and are caught you get a fine, at least you do in NY. With the possibility of even more consequence. So why shouldn't we fine those who don't have health insurance? It is a detriment to those who have it just like the car insurance equivalent.
We do have some of the best if not best doctors. But having these caliber doctors do not translate into good care.. People shouldn't have to go to the ER for every little pain. Those who go to the ER for treatment gets what will make them feel better for the moment not what fixes it so they come back a handful of times. For the 1 millionth time those uninsured currently will get help to pay for the insurance but will still pay, nothing is FREE and I agree with this.
Kix4Kix Hillary would have gotten stonewalled also on Health Care just like she did in 93-94. She is a credible voice on it though and I hope Obama gets her input too, even if it isn't her job. I wish he would get Howard Dean in but Rahm is a %+*#%%* and hates Dean so he never lets him in the door. Hence, he didn't get a cabinet position.
SIRIUS Lee http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ Please check before you talk.
Senator Jeff Smith.. I think what you mean is Goldman Sachs employees. But we wont get health care reform because Obama is not pushing it
