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-----50 Cent VS JAY-Z (KING of NEW YORK)------
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Word , Fiddy is gettin what he deserves. all that trying to end careers his is finally going down
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I'll say it like this so you can see where we differ. If Curtis wasn't signed on Shady Aftermath and was on another major label and had noaffiliation with Em his album would've still did the #s it did. A lot of yall talking about a cosign like Em was in every Curtis video or was all over hisalbum. The way I remember it after the albums Em dropped in that period in no way do you align that with Curtis. I still think their one of the weirdestpartnerships in rap just based off of content.
Take away w/e help Em gave and Curtis still had a crazy buzz and hype by the time his album dropped. I wasn't rolling with the movement at the time so Ican say this without bias since I'm not even a big Curtis fan anyway. All you heard about dude was he got shot 9 times(when he only got shot at 9 times),he was beefing with Ja Rule, and eventually his In Da Club single. If anything Ja Rule and his downfall played a bigger factor in Curtis doing the #s he did.
Nobody's getting emotional but watching flat out fallacies be posted cuz of some need to defend some other man isn't a good look. dudes stay trying torewrite history.
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Welcome to the Music forum.
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Originally Posted by ninjahood
let's just forget that jay-z and 50 both had reebok deals
let's also forget g-unit clothin seemed like it was everywhere for years
tours? da get rich and die tryin tour, have we forgotten that album is DIAMOND?same wit da massacre
2 video gameswho cares
a movieit was wack as hell
Vitamin water = cant front that was a crazy deal.
50 has defiinitely got da 1 up on hova when it comes to doin everything in 1/2 da time.
and 50 is 100% right on overseas acclaim, he's bigger then him out in other countries.
You a funny dude.
Every thread i see you sayin Jay stans are this and that.....im sure theres some truth t it.
But i see you in every 50 thread making excuses or cosigning WHATEVER he does.
If you dont consider yourself a 50 STAN, you should according to YOUR logic.
And it should be about the QUALITY of music that matters, and in that case 50 falls waaaaaaaaay short.
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theres no way it does those #'s without em and dre. NO
i disagree. no biggie. no need to continue. but 800k back to back is ridic tho. He had the hype, and lived up to it.
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Can't you read?
I specifically said Eminem since 2 ppl stated on the previous page that Eminem's cosign is the reason for Curtis' success with his first two albums.Then again I dunno where you from or what you took in to account when Curtis was on his come up cuz from what I recall as a person who wasn't even checkingfor him the only thing you heard about dude was he got shot 9 times and his beef with Ja Rule then later on In Da Club and that was what his buzz and hype rodeon. Him being Shady's artist was a plus.
Em didn't run around with dude everywhere in his interviews or videos. Be serious about this, yall %%##%+ is in some bizarre type of denial. I don'tunderstand how in one thread dudes can say Curtis use of getting in to some beef when his album is gonna drop no longer works(meaning it did work at one pointin time) and then gonna turn around and say Em is the reason his first two albums did well or can't see the possibility that Curtis could've done those#s without a Em cosign.
I'd like you to explain how Em's cosign got the Massacre to sell so much.
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"And it should be about the QUALITY of music that matters, and in that case 50 falls waaaaaaaaay short."
/discussion
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Originally Posted by diceloveme
Originally Posted by Sloane Kettering
Honestly ninjahood often times when I read some of your statements I wonder....
Forreal hes wilding? G-unit clothes? 50's video games? Its safe to say that if 50 didnt land that vitamin water come up he'd be headed for the broke house right or wrong?
Back to the matter at hand 50 could never be the king of new york because 1) He has no classic records. Nas and Jay both have those timeless records you can through on and put in you and that mood and make you feel what they are saying. You are going to throw on "What up gangsta" and be like yeah 50 is the king #comeonson
2)He has 0 swag each King Whether it be Big Jay Nas Kane Rakim all had that aura and made you want to dress like them and mock their style Do I want to throw on a durag a fitted and g-unit wife beater with some doofy reebok kicks?
3) No lyrical prowess. let's be honest 50 rhyme scheme is as simple as they come "Kill you, move this weight, richer than you *sings harmony*
I mean if we want to give the king title to 50 where do i sign up for it cause its clear were letting anybody in.
why do you care about how a rapper dresses?
"swag" that word itself is mad corny..
wear what you like.. don't wear it because a rapper wears it
you probably wore pink when cam was doing it right
50 has no classic records? #comeonson
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Originally Posted by diceloveme
Originally Posted by Sloane Kettering
Honestly ninjahood often times when I read some of your statements I wonder....
Forreal hes wilding? G-unit clothes? 50's video games? Its safe to say that if 50 didnt land that vitamin water come up he'd be headed for the broke house right or wrong?
Back to the matter at hand 50 could never be the king of new york because 1) He has no classic records. Nas and Jay both have those timeless records you can through on and put in you and that mood and make you feel what they are saying. You are going to throw on "What up gangsta" and be like yeah 50 is the king #comeonson
2)He has 0 swag each King Whether it be Big Jay Nas Kane Rakim all had that aura and made you want to dress like them and mock their style Do I want to throw on a durag a fitted and g-unit wife beater with some doofy reebok kicks?
3) No lyrical prowess. let's be honest 50 rhyme scheme is as simple as they come "Kill you, move this weight, richer than you *sings harmony*
I mean if we want to give the king title to 50 where do i sign up for it cause its clear were letting anybody in.
As far as classic records
-Wanksta
-Back Down
-Many Men
-%%*% Power of a Dollar and GRODT
-Damn near his entire mixtape catalog
I'm no Curtis fan but Jay fans act like nobody made good music except for Jay and those he ackowledges
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If Em was responsible for 50 selling so much how come he couldn't help Obie or D12 sell as much?
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me a 50 stan when everyone on this board knows imma fat joe fanOriginally Posted by truthteller
Originally Posted by ninjahood
let's just forget that jay-z and 50 both had reebok deals
let's also forget g-unit clothin seemed like it was everywhere for years
tours? da get rich and die tryin tour, have we forgotten that album is DIAMOND?same wit da massacre
2 video gameswho cares
a movieit was wack as hell
Vitamin water = cant front that was a crazy deal.
50 has defiinitely got da 1 up on hova when it comes to doin everything in 1/2 da time.
and 50 is 100% right on overseas acclaim, he's bigger then him out in other countries.
You a funny dude.
Every thread i see you sayin Jay stans are this and that.....im sure theres some truth t it.
But i see you in every 50 thread making excuses or cosigning WHATEVER he does.
If you dont consider yourself a 50 STAN, you should according to YOUR logic.
And it should be about the QUALITY of music that matters, and in that case 50 falls waaaaaaaaay short.
how em i makin exuses for when all im doin is listin 50's credentials cuz someone said jay-z did more.
what he did in less than 1/2 da time.
and as far as music jay-z stand just gonna discount all da classic mixtapes 50 put out right? cuz they're not albums so they don't count
only reason jay-z got more albums is cuz he's been in da game alot longer, so thats not curtis's fault..but best believe he sold much more in da shortamount of time they co existed in hiphop.
and he's already got 1 classic album, 2 pretty good album, and one great album.
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And BIG didn't give the crown up and this means...
His unwilling departure STILL makes him KING...
http://therealest****ever.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/notoriousbigkingofny.jpg
His unwilling departure STILL makes him KING...
http://therealest****ever.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/notoriousbigkingofny.jpg
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.......The game doesn't stop for ANYBODY, take that however you want to take it.
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I can't quote because I'm on my BB. But " Master Zik" your are out of your damn mind if you think 50 would have sold as much without EM/Dre,that is Hilarious.
Dudes need to wake up on 50. He is a C+ rapper.
Say he ended dudes careers. This dude put a couple C+ rappers and a pop star( Ja Rule) out and all of a sudden he end dudes careers.
Jada murked him, he wanted no parts of that. And Musically Ross did too. 50 took it to a level that had nothing to do with hip hop. And bammas and females isall over it. Smh
Dudes need to wake up on 50. He is a C+ rapper.
Say he ended dudes careers. This dude put a couple C+ rappers and a pop star( Ja Rule) out and all of a sudden he end dudes careers.
Jada murked him, he wanted no parts of that. And Musically Ross did too. 50 took it to a level that had nothing to do with hip hop. And bammas and females isall over it. Smh
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Of course the game ain't stop... BIG laid the blueprint to keep East Coast rap alive for the next 20 years...
And of course Ns took his style and ran with it
... Tryin to claimthe crown
And of course Ns took his style and ran with it
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i honestly cant believe why we arguin this truthfully. its not even up for debate imo. he just thinks im somehow defendin Jay...Im not.
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50 is nowhere close to Jay as a rapper.
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word, i'll give da crown to da carcass of frank white before i ever think da camel has a right to it.
son in my opinion never earned it.
was da da defacto leader after big died, but he was feelin himself after vol. 2, dropped a meh vol. 3, dropped..andson started poppin shots at mobb deep for seeing him
for da sucka he was, so he dropped take over, bit off more then he can chew wit nas...and thats how i see him.
son in my opinion never earned it.
was da da defacto leader after big died, but he was feelin himself after vol. 2, dropped a meh vol. 3, dropped..andson started poppin shots at mobb deep for seeing him
for da sucka he was, so he dropped take over, bit off more then he can chew wit nas...and thats how i see him.
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umm...50 cent would've sold numbers regardless without da shady cosign...his buzz was deafin' in NYC, you'd had to be a moron not to sign him, 50was turnin down deals
when 50 is da future was scorchin NYC.
when 50 is da future was scorchin NYC.
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