300 Spartans vs 300 Silverback Gorillas

[HEATHEN]

Go back and play your skyrim game.
im out.

Lol what? I don't even play video games anymore except the occasional game of 2k.

 

[HEATHEN]

We were talking about the natural Darwinism animals undergo as opposed humans to naturally breed strength into each generation. He said humans do it as much as wild animals. That's wrong.


He kept bringing up "bread for battle" well essentially so are the gorillas since forever, not just the couple generations of Spartans

What famous military engagements have gorillas been apart of? What is this battle you speak of? The battle for who gets more ape yambs?

Okay....

 

[HEATHEN]

Formation don't mean **** when you're being assaulted by incomprehensible force. I can't understand what Spartans are supposed to against 300 of these things. Not 1, not 10, 300.

You're right you can't understand.

Because you can't grasp the simple fact that apes are not predatory. They do not attack unless provoked, they do not attack in troops and they do not attack strategically. Nor do you understand that the moment two dominant male elder gorillas are within vicinity, natural instinct to establish dominance kicks in.

To be a SBG inherently means you are an elder alpha male. There is never more than one SBG in a troop. Put 300 together and there's going to be problems.

 

[HEATHEN]

How about this, because clearly some of you are spinning your tires. You still think Spartans are Hollywood legend and not the real deal. Actually do some research, watch the documentary I linked. I'm fine with the skeptics what I hate are lazy skeptics that won't take the time to do the research to either prove or disprove their skepticism. If you find my comments inflammatory toward you it's because I tire of having to repeat myself to people just joining the thread or those simply too lazy to defend their position with actual fact.

There is a wealth of information out there both about Spartans and Gorillas. Please do not address me unless you're actually going to try to speak from an educated opinion.


The fact that some of you still think the SBG is a subspecies of gorilla and not a term for the elder male of a troop, the alpha, just really makes a lot of your comments invalid.

 

[Brownstone]

You're right you can't understand.

Because you can't grasp the simple fact that apes are not predatory. They do not attack unless provoked, they do not attack in troops and they do not attack strategically. Nor do you understand that the moment two dominant male elder gorillas are within vicinity, natural instinct to establish dominance kicks in.

To be a SBG inherently means you are an elder alpha male. There is never more than one SBG in a troop. Put 300 together and there's going to be problems.

In that case, make it so the spartans have no weapons or the ability to speak. I see your point, but the questions assumes that both the gorilla and spartan are in attack mode- whatever that may be. You bringing up animal family patterns and ****.

 

[HEATHEN]

In that case, make it so the spartans have no weapons or the ability to speak. I see your point, but the questions assumes that both the gorilla and spartan are in attack mode- whatever that may be. You bringing up animal family patterns and ****.

So nerf what is natural to Spartan men because warfare is not natural to apes? That doesn't make any sense.

You guys simply cannot grasp or come to terms that apes are not suited for warfare. It's beyond comprehension for a lot of you and to me it's really quite comical.

op set the battle, the parameters. I played within his rules. I paid attention to what intrinsic qualities both parties had, and I formulated my opinion based on that.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to come to terms with the fact that this isn't the type of fighting apes are accustomed to? This is not going to go in their favor.

Hell there's a good chance that because while communal, apes are shy, they might run away as soon as they see that many humans. It's not in their natural tendency to say "let's form up and launch a coordinated attack".

 

[Brownstone]

And if 300 spartans saw 300 angry silverbacks they would lick their lips? Please. You're not being objective.

 

[HEATHEN]

And again, let's go back to the magic number. 300. The same number of Spartans that took on a quarter million Persians in the Battle of Thermopylae.

Never in history has any other military last stand come close to such a feat. There are other admirable last stands but the last stand of Leonidas and his men is truly the stuff of legend, only thing is.....it really happened.

Pray tell, what have gorillas done in their history that comes close to such a feat as the Spartan last stand at Thermopylae?


Let me guess. "Dey really strowng Heathen, eets liek Bork lasnar times 100".

 

[Brownstone]

Now you're comparing battle achievements made by humans to animals? 

I don't know about Thermopylae, but I know if this battle actually went down you would be looking for eons before anyone volunteered. 

 

[HEATHEN]

And if 300 spartans saw 300 angry silverbacks they would lick their lips? Please. You're not being objective.

What? Licking lips? Someone need Chapstick or something? Wth are you saying man? Articulate.

 

[createdestroy]

And again, let's go back to the magic number. 300. The same number of Spartans that took on a quarter million Persians in the Battle of Thermopylae.

Never in history has any other military last stand come close to such a feat. There are other admirable last stands but the last stand of Leonidas and his men is truly the stuff of legend, only thing is.....it really happened.

Pray tell, what have gorillas done in their history that comes close to such a feat as the Spartan last stand at Thermopylae?


Let me guess. "Dey really strowng Heathen, eets liek Bork lasnar times 100".

there werent only 300 hundred spartans...look up the facts,,,... there were thousands of other soldiers alongside the spartans ....

 

[HEATHEN]

Now you're comparing battle achievements made by humans to animals? 

I don't know about Thermopylae, but I know if this battle actually went down you would be looking for eons before anyone volunteered. 

Smfh.....just wallow in your ignorance.

Yeah, right. Guys who took on a quarter million men, 300 of em, would be scared of some SBGs who'd likely be too busy fighting amongst themselves.

They prolly could sit back and just let the beasts beat each other senseless. Oh and let's not forget the 40 pounds of vegetation the avg male ape consumes. They'd prolly wander off looking for grub.


These ain't murderous man killing apes. They are what they are.

 

[HEATHEN]

there werent only 300 hundred spartans...look up the facts,,,... there were thousands of other soldiers alongside the spartans ....

Right I've stated that numerous times. However on the final day of battle Leonidas sent the allied forces home and he and his remaining men took on Xerxes forces himself, and he was massacring them in close quarters until a final volley of arrows.

Also on the previous 2 days it was still the Spartans doing most of the heavy lifting. The allied forces played more of a support role.


Et tu Create? Thought at the very least you'd be following along. I stated numerous times that the Spartans had Greek allied forces alongside them in battle. However collectively they still had about only 20k vs a force of a quarter million.

 

[blastercombo]

there werent only 300 hundred spartans...look up the facts,,,... there were thousands of other soldiers alongside the spartans ....

Dude also said the movie was accurate. That's ends all debate from that side

 

[osirus]

Must be the wrong thread. I thought we were discussing a battle between these 2 groups, not the reasons why it wouldn't happen. You got me man.

 

[HEATHEN]

Dude also said the movie was accurate. That's ends all debate from that side

It was though, you can pretend like it wasn't. You can cover your ears and close your eyes and go "la la la la I can't hear you, I can't hear you" like a child but as a matter of fact the film as unbelievable as it was, was actually fairly accurate.


Did you watch the documentary I linked?





Here it is again, watch it. Still not convinced? Look up the battle of Thermopylae and compare it to the film adaptation.


All the info is out there, it is you who chooses the veil over your eyes. It is YOU that chooses ignorance. My argument is sound, your argument is completely baseless.

 

[HEATHEN]

Must be the wrong thread. I thought we were discussing a battle between these 2 groups, not the reasons why it wouldn't happen. You got me man.

I am discussing the battle, and part of battle is retreat. The battle would quickly end because either the SBGs would quarrel amongst themselves, be too fixated on feeding or shied away from the mass of humanity atop the hill down yonder.

 

[osirus]

I understand what you're saying, but reality has already been thrown out the window. A gang of 300 sbgs ain't getting dealt with by 300 human beings regardless of behaviors, weapons or social standing. You're arguing a situation where retreat is an option. No one else is.

 

[T Lo Sweater]

I am discussing the battle, and part of battle is retreat. The battle would quickly end because either the SBGs would quarrel amongst themselves, be too fixated on feeding or shied away from the mass of humanity atop the hill down yonder.

Dude is hypothetical. How hard is that to understand

For this thread the sbg are all alphas fighting spartans. Thats it. Everyone else gets it easily

Theres no group fighting or nothing man. It really is hard to understand a make believe scenario?

 

[HEATHEN]

I understand what you're saying, but reality has already been thrown out the window. A gang of 300 sbgs ain't getting dealt with by 300 human beings regardless of behaviors, weapons or social standing. You're arguing a situation where retreat is an option. No one else is.

No I'm arguing intrinsic behavior, nothing more, nothing less. To change the nature of either party is to change what either party is.

When you change the natural behavior of a SBG, into a calculating, strategically adept, war-fighting man-killer, we're no longer dealing with SBGs. We're dealing with another type of beast all together, otherworldly even.

 

[HEATHEN]

Dude is hypothetical. How hard is that to understand

For this thread the sbg are all alphas fighting spartans. Thats it. Everyone else gets it easily

Theres no group fighting or nothing man. It really is hard to understand a make believe scenario?

....Son, again. To be a SBG is to inherently be an elder male alpha gorilla. There are no female SBGs, there are no young SBGs, there are only elder male SBGs.....and there is one per troop. Even in all-male groups of apes, there is still a pecking order, and there is still a quarrel to establish dominance.


Again, I am repeating this, again I find myself frustrated with the laziness here. The SBG is NOT a subspecies of ape, it's not a TYPE of ape. It's term to describe the alpha male elder of a troop. Nothing more, nothing less. He gets all the female ape yambs and forces those who challenge him out of the troop.


Either put in the effort to properly debate me, do some homework, realize what these apes are, or don't even participate. Why am I doing the heavy lifting here for both sides of the argument? I've added more information about SBGs in this thread than the proponents of the apes. That's what's the ironic part about all this.


Pure laziness on ya'll end, pure laziness. You wanted a battle between spartans vs SBGs, not genetically modified SBGs trained to fight in unison.


IF you want to change the intrinsic qualities of the apes, then sure. I'll concede that the apes will be far more suited for this battle if they can fight cohesively and ignore natural tendencies. If they can fight without an overwhelming need for sustenance, or the need to establish superiority over one another, well then.......that's quite the monkey we're dealing with aren't we?

 

[HEATHEN]

Ya'll wanna take this to the comicvine.com battle section? I won't even participate in that thread, simply set the parameters as OP did (Thermopylae, Hot Gate positioning, full-armament) vs 300 SBGs.


And we can sit back and let another forum, one who talks battles like these on the daily, sort it out.



Yes/no? I'm interested in seeing what they have to say about this battle. They're usually very thorough in breaking down match-ups.


http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/


Above is a link to their battles section, check it out. LMK if ya'll wanna bring it over there. I won't even link this thread or make any mention of NT. I'll let them sort it out w/o letting this thread or my opinion sway theirs.

 

[osirus]

That's the point. This is a straight up battle ignoring the boring details. You'd never find yourself on a playground with 300 3rd graders trying to body you or a gang of 100 chihuahuas trying to body a tiger.

 

[HEATHEN]

That's the point. This is a straight up battle ignoring the boring details. You'd never find yourself on a playground with 300 3rd graders trying to body you or a gang of 100 chihuahuas trying to body a tiger.

Intrinsic qualities are not boring details.


They are what they are, SBGs can only be what they are.


Sure, the parameters are unrealistic, however, their intrinsic nature does not change. Their behavior doesn't change by being magically warped to Thermopylae. They are still SBGs.


IF you want to genetically modify them into killing machines a la "Congo", or into efficient, highly intelligent, war-capable apes a la "The Planet of the Apes' then fine. As I said earlier, I'll concede that they'll be far better suited for this battle.


Thank God SBGs don't actually behave like you all want them to in this battle, I'd fear for humanity. They, not us would then be the apex predator.

 

[girlslovewaffles]

If 300 spartans and 300 silverback gorillas fought, the only losers would be whoever wrote more than a paragraph in this thread.