2013 College Football Thread (Realer than Real Deal Holyfield -->S/O Craftsy)

Michigans TE Jake Butt tore his ACL during conditioning. Sucks. Kid was going to be a good one real soon
 
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[h1]Rob Moore on challenges in recruiting New York: 'Loyalty to your state' doesn't exist anymore[/h1]
Orchard Park, N.Y. — During last week's national signing day press conference, Syracuse head coach Scott Shafer said he targeted "six or seven" prospects from New York for the 2014 recruiting class. Syracuse signed two of those players in junior college-transfer Wayne Williams, a defensive tackle from Brooklyn, and West Genesee High School's Naesean Howard, who is expected to start his college career at safety.

The discernible undertone was Shafer is not pleased with what has been a pattern the last several years. Syracuse, which spent a significant amount of dollars branding itself as New York's College Team, is often an afterthought for the limited number of the state's highly valued players. SU has gotten a fair share of in-state prospects over the years and has developed some into bonafide NFL talent — no better examples than brothers Arthur and Chandler Jones. Yet in a year in which the state's top three prospects, all rated four stars, played a significant position of need for SU's class, the Orange struck out.

Rob Moore, the school's ex-wide receivers coach recently hired for the same position with the Buffalo Bills, was responsible for recruiting sections 1 and 9 in the city's five boroughs and Long Island. In the summer, a hint of frustration emanated when dissecting why Syracuse was being bypassed by its top in-state talent. At the time, Moore said some players believe "they're too big for Syracuse," and coming through campus as a courtesy was more or less disrespectful. He reiterated here Tuesday that recruiting has greatly changed in the three decades since he left Hempstead, N.Y., for Syracuse, when education, tradition and proximity to his younger siblings mattered most.

"At the end of the day, in regards to loyalty to your state and all those things, I don't think that really exists that much anymore," Moore said. "The students are just different now. It's a different time, and you adjust to that."

In this just-completed recruiting cycle, the prized recruits all resided in Brooklyn. Thomas Holley, a highly regarded defensive tackle prospect unofficially visited Syracuse in the summer but was never believed to be high on SU by the time he signed with Florida. Wide receiver Curtis Samuel (Ohio State) and defensive tackle Jay Hayes (Notre Dame) never seemed to be realistic targets either.

In regards to loyalty to your state and all those things, I don't think that really exists that much anymore." - Rob Moore, former receivers coach

The jewel of New York in 2015 is defensive end/tight end Tyrone Wheatley Jr., the former Fayetteville-Manlius star and son of former Syracuse assistant coach Tyrone Wheatley. Wheatley Jr. moved west to Canisius not long after his father accepted a position on Doug Marrone's staff with the Buffalo Bills. He already holds scholarship offers from schools such as Alabama, Miami (Fla.), Michigan, Penn State and USC. Can Syracuse seriously join the conversation with Wheatley Jr.?

JC Shurburtt, a national recruiting analyst for 247Sports, said college football recruiting is still geographically oriented, but Syracuse's location makes it difficult for the core of its classes to live in-state. "Syracuse isn't a school that's around a lot of talent," said Shurburtt, who expects Syracuse to continue to hit Illinois and South Florida hard moving forward, given the coaching staff's strong ties to those markets.

But a frontier that remains elusive to Syracuse is the perception of winning at home, a concept that did not escape Shafer's mind when introducing his latest batch of players a week ago.

"We're still fighting that fight to keep the kids at home, and all we can do is continue to improve our product and hope that we can keep those kids at home," Shafer said.
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Kids are supposed to be loyal to programs that aren't winning and putting out NFL talent? It's not like Syracuse is around a major metro hotbed either. Why would NYC kids be loyal to Syracuse? That sounds silly.
 
DaComeUP said:
Kids are supposed to be loyal to programs that aren't winning and putting out NFL talent? It's not like Syracuse is around a major metro hotbed either. Why would NYC kids be loyal to Syracuse? That sounds silly.
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At the end of the day, you have to put yourself in that position. They've put 13 in the league since '09. While not largely impressive, like anything else, if you take care of business, someone will find you. I don't agree with the article either. Get the kids who want to come here and move on. Just brought in a great class compared to last year with a few 4* guys.
 
dreClark said:
Heh.
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LOL. Miami fans expecting kids wanting to stay home and play for a program that was in a state of disarray is stupid too. Can't compare that situation to Cuse though. Not the same sense of deluded nostalgia around the program either.
 
DaComeUP said:
LOL. Miami fans expecting kids wanting to stay home and play for a program that was in a state of disarray is stupid too. Can't compare that situation to Cuse though. Not the same sense of deluded nostalgia around the program either.
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HEH. look at you falling for Le' Troll
 
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Nako: Good lookin' on the JuJu tidbit. Didn't have a great read on Smith's recruitment, but always felt ND was in second over Oregon even though everyone said he wouldn't leave the West Coast.

Statis: Putting my snow shoveling technique on Hudl. Can't catch a break this winter.
 
Rivals dropped Lorenzo Carter to a 4* 
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Minkah coming to our Jr Day Saturday 
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[h1]Nick Saban, BRET BIELEMA voiced support of rule[/h1]

NEW YORK -- Alabama coach Nick Saban and Arkansas coach Bret Bielema voiced their concerns about the effects of up-tempo, no-huddle offenses on player safety to the NCAA committee that passed a proposal to slow down those attacks.

Neither Saban nor Bielema were on the committee and they did not vote on the proposal passed Wednesday to allow defenses time to substitute between plays by prohibiting offenses from snapping the ball until 29 seconds are left on the 40-second play clock.

NCAA coordinator of officials Rogers Redding said Thursday that Bielema was at the meeting in Indianapolis as a representative of the American Football Coaches Association.

"Coach Saban asked for the opportunity to meet with the committee and talk about this," Redding said. "It's not routine, but it's not unique, either."

Bielema and Saban run methodical offenses and have publicly questioned if the quickening pace of offenses is good for the game.

FBS coaches on the panel are Air Force's Troy Calhoun, who is the chairman, and Louisiana-Lafayette's Todd Berry. Their teams ranked 104th and 93rd, respectively, last season in plays per game in FBS.

The proposal must be approved by the playing rules oversight panel, which meets March 6. Redding said it's not a rubber stamp panel, but more often than not it approves proposals. The panel does not consider competitive issues, Redding said.

"Their role is to examine rules on the basis of player safety, economic impact and image of the game," he said.

Right now the proposal is in what is known as a comment period. Coaches can electronically submit their opinions to the NCAA on the proposal, supporting it or opposing it.

Redding said it is "rare though not unheard of for the committee to revisit" a proposal. He added the comments are taken seriously by the oversight panel.

Redding said rules changes that would affect the pace of the game were discussed by the committee last year and during the AFCA convention in January at meeting he attended of about 35 coaches, including Bielema. The proposal passed by the NCAA committee was an idea that came out of the AFCA meeting, Redding said.

Plenty of coaches have made it known they are not happy with the proposal, especially those such as Auburn's Gus Malzahn, Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury, Texas A&M's Kevin Sumlin and Arizona's Rich Rodriguez who run fast-paced offenses.

"The 10-second rule is like asking basketball to take away the shot clock -- Boring!"

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy weighed in Thursday via Twitter.

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The no huddle, fast tempo style has changed the game of CFB. Our sport has exploded in popularity with high scoring games & packed stadiums.

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College Football is constantly evolving. Coaches have to make adjustments based on their team, their talents and their opponents.

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The 10-second rule is like asking basketball to take away the shot clock - Boring!. It’s like asking a blitzing linebacker to raise his hand

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Why change our sport at the peak of its popularity

The committee said the proposed change addresses concerns that defensive players are at increased risk for injury because defenses cannot substitute if the offense goes straight to the line scrimmage when the ball is spotted and the 40-second clock has starts.

An exception will be made in the final two minutes of each half to allow the offense to snap the ball as quickly as it wants.

Many coaches aren't convinced this is a player safety issue.

"I don't see the injury piece," said Boston College coach Steve Addazio, whose team runs an offense that is rarely in a rush. "I think we need more data."

Redding said the proposal was not made based on a study of data.

"I can't say there is hard physical evidence," he said. "It's more common sense."

Redding added he studied film of two games involving up-tempo offenses and only once in each game did a team snap the ball within 10 seconds of the 40-second clock starting.

"The majority of time was somewhere in the 20s," he said. "The average time was 17 seconds.

"You really don't impact what people are already doing."
 
Sabah is really coming across like a little ***** with the whining about HUNH offenses.

The idea that it's about player safety sounds like he's grasping at straws. Had it come from any other coach I doubt the NCAA gives it a thought. Bielema co-signed but said, "Not to ride anyone's coattails..." which always means, "but I'm going to ride their coattails."

Like the part Nako bolded states it probably won't have much of an impact but the fact that Saban's opinion can potentially bring about rules changes blows me away.
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
Hold up, Syracuse or Miami with bigger sense of deluded nostalgia?
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I didn't articulate it properly. Miami's is certainly bigger, but at least it's tangible. Any nostalgic feelings about Cuse is not tangible to the recent generation of fans or kids coming up. Kids still grow up knowing the U.
 
AK Nako said:
[h1]Nick Saban, BRET BIELEMA voiced support of rule[/h1]



NEW YORK -- Alabama coach Nick Saban and Arkansas coach Bret Bielema voiced their concerns about the effects of up-tempo, no-huddle offenses on player safety to the NCAA committee that passed a proposal to slow down those attacks.

Neither Saban nor Bielema were on the committee and they did not vote on the proposal passed Wednesday to allow defenses time to substitute between plays by prohibiting offenses from snapping the ball until 29 seconds are left on the 40-second play clock.

NCAA coordinator of officials Rogers Redding said Thursday that Bielema was at the meeting in Indianapolis as a representative of the American Football Coaches Association.

"Coach Saban asked for the opportunity to meet with the committee and talk about this," Redding said. "It's not routine, but it's not unique, either."
Bielema and Saban run methodical offenses and have publicly questioned if the quickening pace of offenses is good for the game.

FBS coaches on the panel are Air Force's Troy Calhoun, who is the chairman, and Louisiana-Lafayette's Todd Berry. Their teams ranked 104th and 93rd, respectively, last season in plays per game in FBS.

The proposal must be approved by the playing rules oversight panel, which meets March 6. Redding said it's not a rubber stamp panel, but more often than not it approves proposals. The panel does not consider competitive issues, Redding said.

"Their role is to examine rules on the basis of player safety, economic impact and image of the game," he said.

Right now the proposal is in what is known as a comment period. Coaches can electronically submit their opinions to the NCAA on the proposal, supporting it or opposing it.

Redding said it is "rare though not unheard of for the committee to revisit" a proposal. He added the comments are taken seriously by the oversight panel.

Redding said rules changes that would affect the pace of the game were discussed by the committee last year and during the AFCA convention in January at meeting he attended of about 35 coaches, including Bielema. The proposal passed by the NCAA committee was an idea that came out of the AFCA meeting, Redding said.

Plenty of coaches have made it known they are not happy with the proposal, especially those such as Auburn's Gus Malzahn, Texas Tech's Kliff Kingsbury, Texas A&M's Kevin Sumlin and Arizona's Rich Rodriguez who run fast-paced offenses.

"The 10-second rule is like asking basketball to take away the shot clock -- Boring!"

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy weighed in Thursday via Twitter.


@CoachGundy

Follow



The no huddle, fast tempo style has changed the game of CFB. Our sport has exploded in popularity with high scoring games & packed stadiums.


@CoachGundy
Follow

College Football is constantly evolving. Coaches have to make adjustments based on their team, their talents and their opponents.


@CoachGundy
Follow

The 10-second rule is like asking basketball to take away the shot clock - Boring!. It’s like asking a blitzing linebacker to raise his hand


@CoachGundy
Follow

Why change our sport at the peak of its popularity

The committee said the proposed change addresses concerns that defensive players are at increased risk for injury because defenses cannot substitute if the offense goes straight to the line scrimmage when the ball is spotted and the 40-second clock has starts.

An exception will be made in the final two minutes of each half to allow the offense to snap the ball as quickly as it wants.
Many coaches aren't convinced this is a player safety issue.

"I don't see the injury piece," said Boston College coach Steve Addazio, whose team runs an offense that is rarely in a rush. "I think we need more data."

Redding said the proposal was not made based on a study of data.

"I can't say there is hard physical evidence," he said. "It's more common sense."

Redding added he studied film of two games involving up-tempo offenses and only once in each game did a team snap the ball within 10 seconds of the 40-second clock starting.

"The majority of time was somewhere in the 20s," he said. "The average time was 17 seconds.

"You really don't impact what people are already doing."
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HEH.

(It's only right)
 
10508 Cardo Jr Ln said:
Rivals dropped Lorenzo Carter to a 4* :lol:


Minkah coming to our Jr Day Saturday :smokin
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There's no way Lo isn't better than Malik McDowell in terms of Rivals' rankings. As polished against the run and mature Sol is, you'd still have to take Lo over him as well. Can't teach athleticism, size, speed. Edge rushers make the money in the NFL and pass-rushing isn't Thomas' strong suit, yet.

November 29th gonna be fun with Lo and Autry on opposite sidelines.
 
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