09 Boxing Thread:: 12/12 Diaz.vs.Malignaggi HBO/Bradley.vs.Peterson Showtime

[itsrsinwayufreak]

^I'm not looking for a justintv link or anything like that. Obviously that stuff won't be available until fight night. I'm looking for a legitstream from a legit site, something that people would be willing to pay for. Like this fight is gonna be on HBO; will HBO.com have it? Or maybe toprank.com?Has anybody ever ordered a ppv stream online? If so, what site was it from? Again, I'm looking for a legit stream from a legit provider, not one put up byyou or me.

Any help is appreciated!

 

[dako akong otin]

try punchsports.net Thats where i was watching the Dirrell/Froch fight. And you can check forum.philboxing.com because dudes there will always upload streams


Pro, how did you score the Dirrell/Froch fight? I just watched it again and I have it 117-110 for Dirrell. I gave Froch rds 8 and 9. Rd 7 could have wenteither way. Rd 10 i scored 9-9 because of the point deduction.

 

[bayest]

Roach says Pacquiao can knock him out in the 1st round (we all remember his prediction from the Hatton fight).

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/10/20/1092432/roach-now-says-cotto-could-be

 

[proshares]

Dako, had it 9-2-1 for Dirrell. With the Yanks/Halos on tonight, I'll probably rewatch it tomorrow night. I'm just a little shocked that Rafael had itfor Froch and didn't see any way Dirrell could have one. I usually agree with most of his scoring and IMO he's one of the smartest dudes in thebusiness.

3. Alexander Povetkin (17-0)

With Wladimir Klitschko recovering from shoulder surgery and probably out until the spring, Povetkin, a mandatory challenger, will fight for an interim belt, probably against former titlist Samuel Peter in early 2010. That's the reason Povetkin pulled out of an Oct. 16 stay-busy fight against journeyman Damon Reed.
Next: TBA.

7. Samuel Peter (32-3)

The former titlist was being lined up for a stay-busy bout on Nov. 13, but it won't happen if a deal is finalized for Peter to face Povetkin for a vacant interim belt in early 2010.
Next: TBA.

1. Tomasz Adamek (38-1)


Unable to secure an exception to his mandatory with Steve Cunningham, Adamek vacated his alphabet title -- although he remains the lineal champion -- and will go through with a fight against Polish countryman Andrew Golota (41-7-1) at heavyweight. What a circus that could be.
Next: Oct. 24 vs. Golota.

2. Steve Cunningham (22-2)

Mandatory challenger Cunningham, who has dumped promoter Don King and plans to work with Main Events, will fight for a belt in early 2010. However, it won't be against Adamek, who vacated. Instead, it likely will be against Matt Godfrey (20-1).
Next: TBA.

1. Bernard Hopkins (49-5-1)


Ahead of a planned rematch with rival Roy Jones Jr., Hopkins will fight a tune-up against Enrique Ornelas (29-5) on Versus. It will be a homecoming for Hopkins, who will fight in Philadelphia for the first time since 2003. If Hopkins wins, and Jones wins the same day in Australia, they'll meet in early 2010 -- 16 years after Jones won their first fight.
Next: Dec. 2 vs. Ornelas.

3. Glen Johnson (49-12-2)

How seriously is Johnson training for the rematch with Dawson? At the mandated 30-day weigh-in, Johnson was already down to 181.6 pounds for the 175-pound bout.
Next: Nov. 7 vs. Dawson.

5. Jean Pascal (24-1)

Pascal made a successful first defense Sept. 25, dropping faded former titlist Silvio Branco four times en route to a 10th-round TKO. It set the stage for a rematch with fellow Montreal-based Adrian Diaconu, the former titleholder from whom Pascal won the title in June in a "fight of the year" candidate.
Next: Dec. 11 vs. Diaconu.

2. Carl Froch (26-0)

Froch opened Showtime's Super Six tournament by retaining his title via split decision against the quicker Andre Dirrell on Oct. 17. It wasn't Froch's best performance, but he got the job done against a faster opponent who tried to stink him out. Froch's next opponent in the round robin will be Kessler (probably in March), regardless of the outcome of Kessler-Ward.
Next: TBA vs. Kessler

Barn burner

3. Lucian Bute (24-0)

Although Bute was snubbed of an invitation to Showtime's tournament, he'll still get considerable American exposure when he defends his belt in a mandatory rematch with Librado Andrade on HBO, which will televise only its second card from Canada in its 36 years of covering boxing. With a win, Bute looms as a likely future opponent for middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik, who will move up in the next fight or two.
Next: Nov. 28 vs. Andrade.

4. Arthur Abraham (31-0)

As usual, Abraham started slow and came on very, very strong, knocking Jermain Taylor out cold with six seconds left in their Oct. 17 fight for an explosive finish to the opening bout of the Super Six tournament. While Taylor's career is in doubt, Abraham will move on in the round robin to face Dirrell in a fight that is expected to take place in January in the United States.
Next: TBA vs. Dirrell.

6. Allan Green (29-1)

Given the strong possibility that Taylor will not continue in the Super Six tournament, Green is warm in the bullpen as the likely replacement, although he didn't do a lot to show he deserves to be in the field with his poor performance in a win against Tarvis Simms on Oct. 2.
Next: TBA.

7. Sakio Bika (28-3-2)

If Showtime is looking for a replacement for Taylor in the Super Six tournament, and doesn't want to include the Bute-Andrade winner, there's no reason Bika shouldn't be considered.
Next: TBA.


8. Andre Dirrell (18-1)

In his opening bout of the Super Six tournament, Dirrell dropped a tight split decision to Froch. It was a fight Dirrell certainly could have won had he not given away so many rounds with his running, holding style. But he gained valuable experience for his next bout, a very tough assignment against Abraham in early 2010.
Next: TBA vs. Abraham.

3. Sergio Martinez (44-1-2)

There's a chance Martinez will fight on the Dec. 12 undercard of the likely Juan Diaz-Paulie Malignaggi rematch. If he does, it remains to be seen whether he'll defend his belt or take a nontitle match just to stay busy. There's also a good chance he'll simply sit because there won't be lot of money available for him on that undercard.
Next: TBA.

5. Andre Berto (25-0)

Although the deal isn't done yet, it looks as though Berto will stay with HBO and face Mosley on Jan. 30. One question: What the hell is taking so long to make a deal that isn't all that complicated?
Next: TBA.

6. Luis Collazo (30-4)

Collazo is in a mandatory position for a rematch with Berto, but with Berto looking at a Mosley fight, Collazo could end up facing Selcuk Aydin for an interim or vacant belt.
Next: TBA.


7. Zab Judah (37-6)

What a joke. It was bad enough that Judah was going to face journeyman Ramon Montano in a pay-per-view main event. But it has gotten even worse now that Montano has been replaced with Adailton De Jesus (22-4), a career featherweight who was knocked out in one round at lightweight in his last fight in August. Who would spend 10 cents to watch that?
Next: Nov. 6 vs. De Jesus.


8. Isaac Hlatshwayo (29-1-1)

Hlatshwayo claimed a vacant belt by outpointing Delvin Rodriguez in an Aug. 1 rematch of a draw. For his first defense, the South African could meet Berto in a unification match this fall if Mosley-Berto isn't finalized.
Next: TBA.


9. Carlos Quintana (26-2)

Quintana was slated to fight Oct. 24 in his native Puerto Rico against Jesse Feliciano, but it has been called off because Quintana got a much better offer to face fellow former titlist Clottey on the Pavlik-Williams HBO undercard.
Next: Dec. 5 vs. Clottey.

9. Paulie Malignaggi (26-3)

After losing a controversial decision to Juan Diaz on Aug. 22, the sides have been involved in a very difficult negotiation for a rematch. Assuming they come to their senses, it will take place on HBO on Dec. 12.
Next: TBA.


3. Joan Guzman (29-0)

Golden Boy, Guzman's new promoter, won the purse bid for Guzman's fight with Ali Funeka for a vacant belt and plans to put the fight on the Lucian Bute-Librado Andrade II HBO undercard.
Next: Nov. 28 vs. Funeka.


4. Joel Casamayor (36-4-1)

The 38-year-old former two-division champ hasn't fought since being stopped by Marquez in the 11th round in September 2008. However, Casamayor has finally decided to get back to work, agreeing to a junior welterweight match against journeyman Jason Davis (11-14-1) on a small pay-per-view card headlined by Zab Judah. Save your money on that disgrace of a card.
Next: Nov. 6 vs. Davis.


6. Edwin Valero (25-0)

A DUI charge has landed Valero in trouble and he is unable to obtain a work visa to come to the United States. So forget about the possible Humberto Soto fight on the Nov. 14 Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao undercard.
Next: TBA.


2. Robert Guerrero (25-1-1)

Guerrero, who impressively outpointed South Africa's Malcolm Klassen on HBO on Aug. 22 to claim a belt at 130 pounds, is the prize in a brutal tug-of-war between promoters Golden Boy and Dan Goossen. It's getting very, very ugly.
Next: TBA.


4. Juan Carlos Salgado (22-0-1)

In a stunning upset, Mexico's Salgado blew away heralded Jorge Linares in the first round to take his title in violent fashion Oct. 10 in Japan, Linares' home base. They might fight an immediate rematch.
Next: TBA.


7. Jorge Linares (27-1)

In one of the upsets of the year, Linares, heralded as one of the best young fighters in the sport, was relieved of his title Oct. 10, when Salgado knocked him out in the first round. It came just a couple of weeks after Golden Boy trumpeted signing him to a big co-promotional deal to come to the U.S. for major fights. That was, of course, assuming he beat Salgado.
Next: TBA.


2. Steven Luevano (37-1-1)

Luevano won via seventh-round disqualification when Bernabe Concepcion flattened him with a cheap shot after the bell ended the round on Aug. 15. A rematch was discussed, but now it looks more like Luevano will defend his title against junior featherweight titlist Juan Manuel Lopez on HBO early next year.
Next: TBA.

Excellent fight.


6. Yuriorkis Gamboa (16-0)

Gamboa destroyed Whyber Garcia in four rounds in his first title defense Oct. 10 in the first step toward an anticipated showdown between Gamboa and Lopez. But before they meet, Gamboa and Lopez are headed toward separate bouts on the same HBO card in early 2010. Gamboa likely will face Bernabe Concepcion (27-3-1).
Next: TBA.


10. Rafael Marquez (38-5)

The sides have renewed talks for a possible fourth fight between Marquez and fellow former junior featherweight champ Israel Vazquez, who already have waged three of the greatest fights in boxing history.
Next: TBA.


1. Celestino Caballero (33-2)


After seeing Juan Manuel Lopez struggle with Rogers Mtagwa, he must be licking his chops to get Lopez into the ring. Caballero, a unified titleholder, has been relentlessly calling out Lopez for months.
Next: TBA.


2. Juan Manuel Lopez (27-0)

In a life-and-death battle, Puerto Rico's Lopez survived to win a deserved unanimous decision against ultra-tough Mtagwa in a fight of the year candidate on Oct. 10. Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has mentioned Caballero and featherweight titleholders Steven Luevano and Elio Rojas as possible January opponents, with the ultimate goal being to match Lopez with featherweight titleholder Yuriorkis Gamboa in June.
Next: TBA.

 

[sir rob a lot]

I think I was the one that called Dirrell going 0-3 in this tournament.

 

[dako akong otin]

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By Cliff Rold

The Eight, Pt. 4

For any new boxing fan, the time is not long before a fellow fan points out a magic number which grows more mythologized with time: eight. As in boxing's original eight weight classes. The number represents in the mind of many a time when the sport was compressed into fields which couldn't help but be talented, couldn't help but draw crowds, because there were so few places on the scale to go. They were divisions marked by single champions ever challenged by a depth of contenders today's seventeen weight classes rarely know.

Reflection and research reveals this was not always the case, but it was true often enough to bestow a mystique on boxing's 'original eight weight classes' which carries through to the modern day. As good as they can be, as great as some of their competitors have been and still are, weight classes prefixed by a "Jr." designation will always be seen some as bastard spawn which took something away from the game no matter what they added.

Even with classes taking up space in between the old markers, the eight continue to provide memories and spilled blood today. Over the course of this series, homage is paid to boxing's original eight by identifying the best of their lot through the years.

Lightweight

Previously, numbers 11-25 were unveiled as:

25) Shane Mosley (1993-Present)
24) Willie Ritchie (1907-27)
23) Jack McAuliffe (1884-1897)
22) Jose Luis Castillo (1990-Present)
21) Ismael Laguna (1960-71)
20) Ad Wolgast (1906-20)
19) Ken Buchanan (1965-1982)
1 Bob Montgomery (1938-50)
17) George Lavigne (1897-1909)
16) Joe Brown (1941-70)
15) Lou Ambers (1932-41)
14) Battling Nelson (1896-1917)
13) Sammy Angott (1935-50)
12) Barney Ross (1929-3
11) Beau Jack (1939-55)

Today, the list moves to the top ten

10) Packey McFarland (1904-15)
Record: 64-1-5, 47 KO, 43 No Decisions
Lightweight Champions/Titlists Faced - 2: (Freddie Welsh, Jimmy Britt)

Chicago has produced many a great fighter. McFarland was as good as any of them. Also known as the "Pride of the Stockyards" and the "Chicago Flash," McFarland displayed grit, skill, and serious power to go along with an anvil chin. Turned pro at 16, McFarland rose through the ranks and by age twenty was beginning to face the world's best. In a three fight stretch from February to July 1908, he won a points verdict over future World Champion Freddie Welsh in ten, stopped former Lightweight king Jimmy Britt in six, and then battled Welsh again to a 25-round draw. The following year, he'd add a win over future Middleweight titlist Johnny Thompson and, in 1910, go even again with Welsh over 20 frames. His competition remained high in 1911 and 12 with a draw against future Welterweight great Jack Britton and news wins over Hall of Famer Owen Moran and another future Welterweight champion, Matt Wells. As his career neared its end, McFarland grew into a Welterweight and even Middleweight. When it was over, he'd lost only once and it took a while for the loss, a short decision in his first ten fights, to be recognized.

Why He's Here: McFarland was in a bit of a quandary in his time. Lightweight title contests in the U.S. in the first decade of the 20th century were fought at 133 lbs. McFarland was fine at the modern limit of 135 and would have been comfortable had there been a Jr. Welterweight division. Neither were the case. However, for the early bouts with Welsh and Britt, he was below 133 and probably could have made it to the line with the right opportunity. An absolute lack of interest from then champion Battling Nelson was an obstacle he could not overcome. There have been contenders ducked by champions in every era. McFarland was among the most notable in his. In over 100 fights, he proved himself the better of great fighters from below and above him in the scale and, while adding L's to other men's ledgers, was not accepting them back in return. McFarland was elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame (IBHOF) in 1992.

9) Freddie Welsh (1905-22)
Record: 76-4-6, 32 KO, 82 No Decisions
World Champion 1914-17, 2 Defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 5: (Willie Ritchie, Ad Wolgast, Benny Leonard, Battling Nelson, Rocky Kansas)

Born in Wales and reared in Philadelphia, Welsh combined the best of both nations fighting traditions with speed, toughness and remarkable defense in over 150 fights. He suffered a knockout end only once. By 1911, traveling between the U.S. and the U.K., Welsh had already engaged in well over fifty fights with two of his three official losses coming to McFarland and Matt Wells and wins over Featherweight greats Abe Attell and Jim Driscoll, the latter by disqualification for the British Lightweight crown. Three fights after the Wells loss, he bested future Ritchie on points over 20 and, in 1912, avenged the Wells loss in defense of the British crown. In 1914, a news win over a young Johnny Dundee and points win over touch contender "Mexican" Joe Rivers set the stage for a rematch with Ritchie, this time with Ritchie entering as the World Champion. The result was the same. Two fights later, in a non-title affair, Welsh scored a stoppage of Wolgast but spent the bulk of his title reign competing in no contest affairs, as did most of the top names, with or without titles, in that era. He appeared to lose verdicts to Nelson and Kansas, and Featherweight great Johnny Kilbane but notched another official win over Wolgast. Over those years, a split pair of news verdicts brewed a rivalry between Welsh and Leonard, building finally to a World title showdown in Manhattan in 1917. Welsh would lose the title in his only knockout defeat and fight only six more times before heading into retirement.

Why He's Here: While he couldn't quite figure out the man directly behind him on this list, Welsh gets credit for a deeper resume and even more impressive pool of quality wins. News verdict or no, few Lightweights ever looked the better of Leonard even once and the wins over Ritchie, Wolgast, and smaller but still great men like Driscoll and Attell enhance the bona fides of a spectacular career. Worth noting between the Leonard fight and his final six was a three year gap where Welsh paused his career to serve in the Armed Forces during World War I. Later in life he would manage the Lightweight run of Jimmy Goodrich. Welsh was voted into the IBHOF in 1997.

Henry Armstrong (1931-45)
Record: 151-21-9, 101 KO
World Champion 1938-39, 1 Defense
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 6: (Juan Zurita, Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Lew Jenkins, Beau Jack, Sammy Angott)

Fighting the bulk of his early career closer to, and at, the Featherweight limit, Armstrong was perhaps even more lethal as a Lightweight. Besting future Lightweight titlist Juan Zurita in four in 1936 was a hint of the champion to come. In 1937, he defeated Petey Sarron for the Featherweight title. Before he could get to this division's crown, he would snare the Welterweight title in 1938 from Barney Ross while weighing only 133 ½ lbs, one fight after knocking out quality Lightweight contender Lew Feldman in five. Ross was followed with a gripping split decision over Ambers to complete his legendary trifecta of simultaneously held crown. In his next eight fights, Armstrong would defend the Welterweight title seven times (once in conjunction with a Lightweight defense), never exceeding the Lightweight limit of 135 lbs. In those bouts, he bested future Middleweight titlist Ceferino Garcia while giving up twelve pounds, stopped Feldman in one, decisioned rival Baby Arizmendi and crushed perennial contender Davey Day in the 12th. The Ambers rematch in August 1939, one year after their first bout, was a savage war marred by point deductions which ultimately cost Armstrong the Lightweight crown. Still holding onto the Welterweight title, Armstrong would continue his sensational run often still weighing less than a modern Jr. Welterweight. While not contested at Lightweight, before and after his Welterweight reign, he did manage wins over Jenkins and Angott higher on the scale, excellent contender Willie Joyce, and even managed another knockout of Zurita.

Why He's Here: An argument can be made, as was the case at Featherweight, for rating Armstrong best in class. At his peak, he was virtually unbeatable and he was at that point at Lightweight. The problem comes from the lines crossed by other divisions, Armstrong always with a foot in Featherweight still or a foot in Welterweight. Prior to the last twenty years or so, it was rare to see Armstrong rated at all outside the Welterweight division. But time and reflection show Armstrong belongs with the best in all of the classes he won titles in. Had he concentrated solely on the Lightweight title, he likely compiles title numbers the likes of which would still stand as records. Acknowledging the more concentrated efforts of others costs him slightly here. Armstrong was an inaugural member of the IBHOF in 1990.

7) Carlos Ortiz (1955-72)
Record: 61-7-1, 30 KO
World Champion 1962-65, 4 defenses; 65-68, 5 defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 2: (Joe Brown, Ismael Laguna, Carlos Cruz, Ken Buchanan)

Perhaps the greatest Puerto Rican fighter of all time, Ortiz followed a brief reign as Jr. Welterweight champion by dominating the bulk of the 1960s at Lightweight. A slick, intelligent boxer, Ortiz was a trap setter adept at taking quality opponents into deep waters and finishing them off. Two fights after losing to of 3 to the great Duilio Loi at 140, Ortiz got a crack at Joe Brown, winning the Lightweight crown by unanimous decision in April 1962. He would defend only twice before a 1964 campaign which featured a knockout victory over reigning Jr. Lightweight king Flash Elorde and a second win in three tries dating back to 1958 over rival Kenny Lane. 1965 would be all Laguna, splitting a pair to lose and then regain the crown from the Panamanian with each man getting their win in their homeland. Ortiz kicked off 1966 with a non-title draw against future Jr. Welterweight champion Niccolino Locche before three successful defenses which included knockouts of former Featherweight king Sugar Ramos and again against Elorde. In his final title victory in August 1967, Ortiz finished his series with Laguna with a unanimous decision only to suffer a shocking split decision on hostile Dominican Republic turf to local Carlos Teo Cruz. Ortiz walked away one fight later in 1969, but returned by 1971. He'd win ten in a row before being retired in his only stoppage defeat against former Lightweight champ Ken Buchanan in 1972.

Why He's Here: The only thing which separated Ortiz from an uninterrupted six year reign as king was a split decision loss on enemy turf. The three time World champion, in two weight classes, was that tough an out at his best. The 1960s was no easy out either at Lightweight. Ortiz's consistency and wins against both good and great fighters in and below his domain, add to the overall picture of greatness he earned. Ortiz was added to the IBHOF in 1991.

6) Tony Canzoneri (1925-39)
Record: 137-24-10, 44 KO, 4 no decisions
World Champion 1930-33, 4 defenses; 35-36, 1 Defense
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 4: (Sammy Mandell, Al Singer, Barney Ross, Lou Ambers)

After an impressive run at Featherweight, the Louisiana born Canzoneri would capture both the Lightweight and Jr. Welterweight titles simultaneously at 135. By his early twenties, he was widely regarded as the best fighter in the world at any weight when earning such recognition meant doing it versus the best opponents to be found on a regular basis. After an upset loss of the 126 lb. crown in 1928, Canzoneri drew with future Lightweight champion Al Singer to begin business between the two. Before their second meeting, Canzoneri would fall short on points in an August 1929 title shot versus Mandell; it was his only loss in 14 fights that year. He would lose two of 13 in 1930, to Jr. Welter great Jackie Berg and future Hall of Famer Billy Petrolle, while besting reigning Jr. Lightweight king Benny Bass and, in his final fight of the year, stopping Singer in the first round to capture the Lightweight honors. In April 1931, he'd stop Berg in three to defend his Lightweight crown and wrest the 140 lb. title into his collection; by the end of the year he'd decision Berg in a rematch and reigning Jr. Lightweight champ Kid Chocolate in defense of both his crowns. 1933 was a lesser year with a pair of major upset losses to Johnny Jaddick for the Jr. Welterweight crown but a revenge win over Petrolle to keep the title at Lightweight. His first Lightweight title reign would end in a pair of narrow decisions to Ross but Canzoneri had another run in him. Knockouts of then-Jr. Lightweight champ Frankie Klick (whom he also decisioned) and Chocolate, along with a decision over Hall of Famer Baby Arizmendi led to Canzoneri being matched with Lou Ambers for Ross's vacated title in May 1935; dropping Ambers twice, Canzoneri sailed to a unanimous decision and second Lightweight crown. Two more non-title wins over Klick, a defense against Al Roth, revenge decision over Jaddick, and defeat of former Welterweight champion Jimmy McLarnin provided his last wild burst of greatness. He'd lose the title to Ambers in September 1936 and again suffer defeat in their 1937 rubber match, never to compete for a World title again. Canzoneri was retired in three by big punching Bummy Davis in his final fight, the only knockout loss in some 175 contests. Canzoneri was an inaugural member of the IBHOF.

Why He's Here: Like many of the greats before television revenue allowed for more relaxed schedules, Canzoneri's career was marked by audacious matchmaking. From 1929-37, he fought no less than one and as many as three fights a year against strong-case Hall of Famers. That doesn't even include all the multiple World champions from multiple weight classes or the fact that he'd won three titles in three weight classes before he was 23 years old. If there is any knock to be made, it is in an occasional inconsistency against the very best but, given that volume of challenges, losses are to be expected. Many modern fans can be heard to ask what made the old timers so great. If such question exists for anyone reading here then scroll up and read it all again. The answers are easy to find though it is still true greatness can be found in any time. The next man on the list is evidence of as much.

5) Pernell Whitaker (1984-2001)
Record: 40-4-1, 17 KO
Lineal World Champion 1990-91, 3 Defenses
IBF 1989, 2 Defenses; IBF/WBC 89-90, 3 Defenses; IBF/WBC/WBA, 90-91, 3 Defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 6: (Jose Luis Ramirez, Greg Haugen, Freddie Pendleton, Juan Nazario, Julio Cesar Chavez, Oscar De La Hoya)

Some fighters just have it from the cradle. Norfolk, Virginia's "Sweet Pea" was one of them. Arguably the greatest defensive fighter since Willie Pep, Whitaker amassed a sensational 201-14 mark before he ever got paid for his craft. From 1982-84, he captured the U.S. AAU title, a Silver at the 1982 World Championships, Gold at the 1983 Pan-Am games and, finally a 1984 Olympic Gold in a tournament where he didn't give up a single point. By his ninth pro fight in 1986, he was being matched with serious contender Rafael Williams, coming off the floor in round four for an easy unanimous decision. He'd finish the year two fights later with a lopsided win over former Jr. Lightweight champion Alfredo Layne. While not a great fighter, Layne had won and lost the title versus Hall of Famers Wilfredo Gomez and Brian Mitchell in his previous two outings. Whitaker blanked him on the cards. He followed Layne with a convincing March 1987 decision over a Roger Mayweather between titles at 130 and 140 lbs. to up his record to 13-0. One year and three fights later, Whitaker was headed to France to challenge a 100-6 WBC titlist in Jose Luis Ramirez. After twelve, one judge had Whitaker winning nine rounds but the others did not for one of the worst decisions of the 1980s and Whitaker's only loss at Lightweight. Whitaker was not long deterred, bouncing back two fights later in February 1989 to blank two-time titlist Greg Haugen on two of three cards for his first belt. After making a quick defense, Whitaker would avenge the Ramirez robbery, adding a then vacant WBC belt by again blanking his man on two of three cards. In his next two, Whitaker would defeat game challenger and future titlist Freddie Pendleton before turning back the great Azumah Nelson by unanimous decision; Nelson entered as a reigning Jr. Lightweight titlist. The unification of the crown would be complete in August 1990 and the judges were never a factor with Whitaker nailing WBA Juan Nazario in the first for a classic one punch knockout. He would make three more defenses before vacating the crown to move up the scale, still the only man to unify all the available Lightweight titles since Roberto Duran.

Why He's Here: While there is only one truly great fighter on his ledger at Lightweight (Nelson), Whitaker did the only thing any fighter can do by beating everyone he could and leaving the division cleaned out. He never came close to being legitimately defeated at the weight and hardly ever decisively lost a round. Ramirez typically only struggled with the better Lightweights and Haugen had lost only once to then, to Vinny Pazienza, and avenged the defeat while Nazario entered off a knockout win over Hall of Famer Edwin Rosario. While fights above Lightweight were not factored in for these ratings, it is worth noting that Whitaker arguably didn't outright lose a fight until the age of 35, at Welterweight, versus Felix Trinidad. His Welterweight draw with Chavez is widely decried as among the worst decisions in history and the scoring of his 1997 Welterweight loss to De La Hoya, a fight such notables as Larry Merchant and Al Bernstein had him winning, was so absurdly wide as to indicate Whitaker needed a knockout to score a draw. Through almost fifteen years, politics were far more dangerous to Whitaker than punches and he was recognized by the Ring Magazine family of publications as the top fighter of the 1990s. He could easily be called, today, the best fighter of the last twenty or so years. Whitaker was voted into the IBHOF in his first year of eligibility in 2008.

4) Ike Williams (1940-55)
Record: 126-24-5, 60 KO
World Champion 1947-51, 4 defenses
NBA Titlist 1945-47, 3 defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 5: (Bob Montgomery, Sammy Angott, Juan Zurita, Beau Jack, Jimmy Carter)

Tall for the division at 5'9, Williams was a terror possessing tremendous speed and power and a usually solid beard. Like many of his time, Williams learned his craft while still basically a kid, turning pro at 16 and losing four of his first fifteen before an unbeaten stretch of 33 fights ended with a stoppage loss to a Montgomery in 1944 who'd already won and lost a share of the Lightweight crown. Williams would continue to be up and down through 1945, splitting a pair with Angott (the loss by stoppage) and dropping three of four distance contests to Willie Joyce while managing to snare the NBA Lightweight crown from Juan Zurita with a second round stop. A non-title 1946 points verdict over future Welterweight titlist Johnny Bratton set the stage was the highlight of a year which featured two NBA defenses and then came a big 1947. Winning nine of ten outings, Williams stopped former Jr. Welter champ Tippy Larkin and followed immediately with a unification revenge knockout of Montgomery in six rounds. The reign would last four years though Williams fought more often in non-title affairs. He beat Bratton twice more and the first of three against Kid Gavilan while also stopping Beau Jack to defend the crown and decisioning him in a non-title affair. Struggling mightily to make weight, he was pummeled in his final title fight by Jimmy Carter and stopped in 14. He would continue at Welterweight, drawing with and then stopping Jack in his final two outings. Williams was an inaugural member of the IBHOF.

Why He's Here: It will never be known for sure but mob influence may have stopped Williams from being even greater. It's a scary thought. What was provided was often excellent…but not always. To his credit, Williams was a gamer. He came up big in big moments, scoring knockouts for his first title, again to unify, and in a big fight with Jack. Did he ever throw fights? There has always been speculation, though not as bad as that which has lurked over the career of the man who beat him for the title. There was enough, plenty in fact including multiple Hall of Fame Lightweights, to overcome any concerns and recognize that at his best Williams was as good as anyone could be at 135 lbs.

3) Joe Gans (1893-1909)
Record: 120-8-9, 85 KO, 18 no decisions
World Champion 1902-04; 06-08 - 14 defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 4: (Frank Erne, Jimmy Britt, Battling Nelson)

While it is sometimes hard to know just what the oldest of the old timers in the gloved era brought to the table, there is just enough film of Gans to indicate what his record already tells the world. Speed, power and greatness belonged to the Baltimore native as did a dominance of most of the early twentieth century. A pro at 16, he lost only two of his first 32 bouts before a draw with Featherweight legend Young Griffo. Fighting up and down the Eastern shore, he would continue to win far more than he lost on the way to a shot at Frank Erne's Lightweight crown in March 1900; a cut held him from glory when Gans asked for the fight to be stopped after 12. He bounced back, stopping Griffo in eight among 32 bouts on the way to a rematch with Erne in May 1902. The only loss in the run was by second round stop versus Hall of Famer Terry McGovern in a bout long suspected of being fixed. Nothing could fix Erne in the rematch as Gans won on a first round knockout. He would lose only once between winning the title and May 1906, that lone defeat coming at the hands of a young and already great Sam Langford. There is dispute over whether Gans totally vacated the title from 04-06, but history records other champions in those interim years. One of them, Jimmy Britt, had Gans down multiple times only to be disqualified in late 1904. One fight prior, Gans faced Welterweight champion Joe Walcott in a non-title 20 round draw. He'd twice stop future Welterweight champ Mike Sullivan in 1906, after a draw the year before, make firm that he was still the best Lightweight with a 42nd round disqualification win over Nelson later in the year. He knocked out Britt in six to defend the crown in what would be his last great victory, ultimately being stopped by Nelson twice in 1908 to end his salad days.

Why He's Here: Gans is commonly credited with 14 title defenses spread over two reigns where he never lost the crown in the ring. It is a record for consecutive, successful lineal defenses at 135 lbs. without a loss and not even Gans greatest statistic. If a fighter with 60 fights retires with 8 official losses, it's a good career. Gans? He had eight in almost 200 and against great fighters from divisions above and below him. It might be hard to know, with our eyes, just how great he was. The advantages of extensive film are obvious and they don't exist here. But even on paper, it doesn't get much better than "The Old Master." Gans was, of course, an inaugural member of the IBHOF.

2) Benny Leonard (1911-32)
Record: 85-5-1, 69 KO, 121 no decisions
World Champion 1917-25, 8 defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 3: (Rocky Kansas, Freddie Welsh, Willie Ritchie)

A professional at age 15, New York's Leonard lost three of his first 14 bouts by stoppage. It would take about twenty years to happen again. A technical marvel who could punch when it counted, Leonard was one of the dominant figures ever to lace gloves. He didn't really hit his stride until 1915 when he began multiple series' of bouts with the likes of Johnny Dundee, Rocky Kansas, and Freddie Welsh. Most of them were news verdict bouts but the accounts of the time usually favored Leonard. By 1917, he was ready for the throne, dropping Welsh three times en route to a ninth round knockout. Three fights later, he'd add a knockout of reigning Featherweight champion Johnny Kilbane. Keeping an active schedule, Leonard fought as often as three times a month because selling tickets was how food got on the table. Two months after a four round news loss to Ritchie in 1919, Leonard scored an eighth round knockout as official as it gets. In defense of the crown over the years, he turned back Rocky Kansas by decision and knockout and bested rival Lew Tendler in a superfight of the time. Leonard even made a go at the Welterweight title in 1922, losing on a foul to Jack Britton in a call fraught with controversy. He'd retire as champion in January 1925 but Depression losses forced a 1931 comeback. Leonard never regained his form. A lengthy winning streak fooled some but a crushing knockout in a big step up against future Welterweight champ Jimmy McLarnin in 1932 ended Leonard's time. Leonard was an inaugural Hall of Famer.

Why He's Here: Someone had to be number two, and Leonard gets the nod because the man in front of him was just a little bit better. Or maybe not. If it seems this summary doesn't do justice to Leonard, well, it doesn't. All of the old news fights might not have been full speed affairs, but Leonard was remarkable in that he was able to look a winner more often than not under any circumstances. Leonard is easily, and often, cited as the best that ever did it at Lightweight. Given the man he most often competes with for the top spot, it might be the most compelling 1-2 debate in any division historically. The choice for number one here?

1) Roberto Duran (1968-2001)
Record: 103-16, 70 KO
World Champion 1972-79, 12 Defenses
Lightweight Titlists/Champions Faced - 5: (Ken Buchanan, Esteban DeJesus, Guts Ishimatsu, Hector Camacho, Vinny Pazienza)

Panama's "Manos De Piedra" was not just a great Lightweight...he was high in the race for greatest fighter period over the second half of the twentieth century. A pro at 16, Duran grew quickly from just above the Bantamweight limit to a full fledged Lightweight by 1971. Before he got there, he scored a knockout over future Featherweight titlist Ernest Marcel May 1970. His breakthrough in the States came at Madison Square Garden with a first round knockout of tough Benny Huertas on the undercard of Ken Buchanan's rematch defense of the Lightweight crown over Ismael Laguna. He couldn't know yet just what was coming in less than a year. With a title shot in sight, Duran stopped former Jr. Lightweight king Hiroshi Kobayashi to end his '71 campaign and got Buchanan, the lineal and WBA champion, in June 1972. After a controlling his competitive 13 rounds, Duran ended matters with a vicious low blow at the bell. Buchanan could not continue and Duran would hold the belt with an iron grip. He would not, however, remain undefeated as, five months later, Duran was dropped in the first and lost a ten round non-title affair to DeJesus. It was Duran's last and only loss at Lightweight. A 1973 knockout defense against Ishismatsu came in ten rounds; Ishimatsu would go on to win the WBC title. DeJesus would as well but not until after a March 1974 rematch with DeJesus. With the title on the line, DeJesus dropped Duran again in the first but found the land beyond the tenth frame unforgiving and was felled in eleven. More quality challengers would follow like Ray Lampkin, Lou Bizzaro, Vilomar Fernandez. More knockouts followed with them. Decisions against the skilled Edwin Viruet in a title defense, and future Jr. Welterweight titlist Saoul Mamby in non-title action, also buffered the resume. Finally, on January 21, 1978, it was Dejesus one more time. The Puerto Rican entered with the WBC title for a unification affair but Duran would stay off the floor and savage his rival en route to a twelfth round stoppage in his final Lightweight affair. Duran would vacate the title and later add the Welterweight title and belts at Jr. Middleweight and Middleweight. He was inducted to the IBHOF in his first year of eligibility in 2003.

Why He's Here: Duran had it all. Speed, defense, power, a great chin and, most importantly to viewers, as crowd pleasing a style as one could ever ask for. There aren't a lot of immortal names on his Lightweight ledger but a lot of that had to do with Duran. Consider how close he came to never losing through the first 64 bouts of his career, ending with DeJesus III: at the end of DeJesus I, it was Duran coming on strong. Both of their other fights ended past the tenth. Had the title been on the line, would there be a loss at Lightweight? Be glad the answer is lost to time for the sum of the trilogy is a nice piece of history. Consider also that, while he held only the WBA belt through most of his reign, five other men would trade the WBC belt and he thrashed two of them before they got to it. Even decades past his best, well into the Middleweight old timer's circuit, younger men who followed him at Lightweight like Camacho and Pazienza had their hands full with Duran's shadow. His accomplishments above Lightweight, and even his failings, make up a large piece of his legend but even without them, his Lightweight run was greatness all its own. No one ever so violently ruled the class and, in a violent sport, that counts.

Roberto Duran.

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[gunna get it]

I gotta get my hands on some of those great Duran fights .

 

[xxxoverridexxx]

got tickets to the pavlik/williams fight. High ups but in the middle. I saw hopkins tarver there and it hink these seats are great for the $100 i spent.

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by xxxoverridexxx

got tickets to the pavlik/williams fight. High ups but in the middle.
I saw hopkins tarver there and it hink these seats are great for the $100 i spent.

I dont think I'll be able to get away for the fight cus they been stallin me on my travel time requests for December

 

[bobby1109]

That sucks kid.

Think I'm going to buy em next Friday. Unless I get WS tickets first.

 

[dako akong otin]

Originally Posted by bobby1109

That sucks kid.

Think I'm going to buy em next Friday. Unless I get WS tickets first.

who you gonna cheer for in the WS Pro? Angels or Phils?

 

[proshares]

They're all sold out on TM and on SH they're selling for $500 for bleacher seats so I think I'll buy Kelly/Paul instead

 

[xxxoverridexxx]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by xxxoverridexxx

got tickets to the pavlik/williams fight. High ups but in the middle.
I saw hopkins tarver there and it hink these seats are great for the $100 i spent.

I dont think I'll be able to get away for the fight cus they been stallin me on my travel time requests for December

who was rumored to be on the undercard again? im too lazy to look.

Im hoping to see gamboa-lopez next year if they have it in ny. That i would pay to see also

 

[yungmatt]

^Clottey-Quintana

 

[proshares]

Clottey/Quintana is on the undercard not sure if there's anything on the untelevised portion.

And let JML get through Luevano first, he might outbox him to a decision

 

[eagle 0n]

Hope this BS bout Pavlik's staph infection not healing properly (AGAIN) ain't true

And..damn can DirectTV reup there contract with Versus, so I can catch the B-Hop fight in December.

 

[gunna get it]

EAGLE 0N wrote:

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Hope this BS bout Pavlik's staph infection not healing properly (AGAIN) ain't true

c'mon son

 

[eagle 0n]

#++@.

C'mon Son, f'real!

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World middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik's title fight with Paul Williams has been canceled because of a lingering hand injury, that according to trainer Jack Loew.

According to Team Pavlik, the healing process, following mutiple surgeries to remove a staph infection in Pavlik's left hand, has been slowed because of an allergic reaction to the antibiotic used to treat that infection.

At this point Pavlik has been unable to completely close his left hand during training, and as a result Loew has canceled the upcoming title bout.

Team Pavlik has announced they will continue to train and work with the injury. If the left had is able to close completely in the next two weeks then there is a chance the fight against Williams could take place on December 19th. If that does not happen then a new fight date will be set. The date given for that is January 23rd. However, there is no word on whether Paul Williams will agree to extend the fight a second time.

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[gunna get it]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

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[yungmatt]

Wow

 

[gunna get it]

How bout we get Paul Williams into the super 6 to take JT's place

 

[scott frost]

Fight is never going to come off

 

[jagshemash]

ughh....

Maybe they can get a replacement for Pavlik like Martinez or Dzinziruk but it's probably too short of notice. Sucks for Clottey and Quintana too if thecard is completely called off.

If it's canceled I'm going to the Hopkins fight instead

 

[1stand15th]

How many times has Paul fought at middle? I think 168 right now might be pushing it...