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Boo John Cena!!! I even got my 8 year old niece anti-Cena. Lol. She hears the music and boos...just like me. 
Wrestling Thread 5/19-6/1 | WWE Payback PPV - Shield v Evolution | Will Daniel Bryan Forfeit His Tit
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And....another DQ to end the show. Weak finish. 
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Did anyone watch the new japan training I believe DC posted? They do those "tree of woe" neck exercises. Pretty crucial but I'm sure it helps with the stiff style. Most of their dudes actually wrestler longer than our American wrestlers. Think about the people still going. Kenta kobashi wrestled up until last year. Justin liger still going. How old was Misawa before he passed? Masa chono suffered a broken neck and kept going another 15+ years. Yes they don't travel 300 days but still they work way stiffer.
Once again late to the neck/japan convo lol
Once again late to the neck/japan convo lol
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By far the best piece Mark Madden has ever written
The Ballad of Dolph Ziggler
The Ballad of Dolph Ziggler
The dopey IWC doesn’t agree with me too often.
But on one thing, I bet we concur…Dolph Ziggler is f’ing AWESOME. As in, better than The Miz.
The problem is, Vince McMahon doesn’t agree. Or whoever’s making Vince’s decisions this week doesn’t agree.
WWE has been burying Ziggler for months. His work doesn’t matter. His crowd pop doesn’t matter. His promos don’t matter. Everything that should be relevant doesn’t matter.
For some reason, “the family” doesn’t like Ziggler.
That matters. It’s ALL THAT MATTERS. That's how wrestling is now.
And that’s why the wrestling business sucks. Why WWE sucks.
It doesn’t matter how the fans feel about Ziggler, or how good Ziggler is. WWE is going to keep Ziggler on the backburner.
Worse yet, there’s nothing Ziggler can do about it.
Ziggler could eventually go to TNA and make pauper’s wages. He could eventually go to ROH and make pauper’s wages. He could choose one of the above, stir in indies and appearances, and eke out a decent living. For a while. Maybe work Japan some. Not the easiest flight.
But if Ziggler wants to make a living as a pro wrestler, WWE is his only choice. They could defecate in Ziggler’s hat. He’d have to put it on and say “Thanks.”
Whatever happened to John Morrison?
The business used to be so much different. So much better. A performer of Ziggler’s caliber would have a plethora of options: WCW, all the old territories, etc. And the presence of those options might force WWE to use him properly. Ziggler is making good money in WWE, but career fulfillment is absolutely out of the question.
Once upon a time, right?
Raw did a 2.7 rating. That’s a low for 2014. Insanely bad considering Raw wasn’t competing with a football game and Monday wasn’t a holiday.
For Ziggler, being good doesn’t matter. For WWE management, being terrible doesn’t matter.
Lemelson Capital, representing investors, is calling for WWE’s executive management to be changed. Given Monday’s rating, the dip in stock price, the underachieving of the WWE Network and the cheaper-than-promised deal procured from NBC, Lemelson’s request isn’t unreasonable.
Changes won’t take place anytime soon. Right now, it’s Vince or bust. Or, depending on the day, Hunter and Steph or bust.
Jim Ross could help. He won’t get the chance.
Paul Heyman could help. He won’t get the chance.
No point listing more names. Because NO ONE WILL GET THE CHANCE.
Wrestling is WWE. WWE is wrestling.
That equation hurts Ziggler. It hurts the McMahons just as much. They’re just too stubborn to admit it, let alone fix it. The last thing Vince, Hunter and Steph want around is somebody who knows more than they do.
That list is growing. WWE provides stale, tired, boring programming. Until someone forces WWE to do otherwise, that won’t change.
Remember roller derby? It’s out of business now.
But on one thing, I bet we concur…Dolph Ziggler is f’ing AWESOME. As in, better than The Miz.
The problem is, Vince McMahon doesn’t agree. Or whoever’s making Vince’s decisions this week doesn’t agree.
WWE has been burying Ziggler for months. His work doesn’t matter. His crowd pop doesn’t matter. His promos don’t matter. Everything that should be relevant doesn’t matter.
For some reason, “the family” doesn’t like Ziggler.
That matters. It’s ALL THAT MATTERS. That's how wrestling is now.
And that’s why the wrestling business sucks. Why WWE sucks.
It doesn’t matter how the fans feel about Ziggler, or how good Ziggler is. WWE is going to keep Ziggler on the backburner.
Worse yet, there’s nothing Ziggler can do about it.
Ziggler could eventually go to TNA and make pauper’s wages. He could eventually go to ROH and make pauper’s wages. He could choose one of the above, stir in indies and appearances, and eke out a decent living. For a while. Maybe work Japan some. Not the easiest flight.
But if Ziggler wants to make a living as a pro wrestler, WWE is his only choice. They could defecate in Ziggler’s hat. He’d have to put it on and say “Thanks.”
Whatever happened to John Morrison?
The business used to be so much different. So much better. A performer of Ziggler’s caliber would have a plethora of options: WCW, all the old territories, etc. And the presence of those options might force WWE to use him properly. Ziggler is making good money in WWE, but career fulfillment is absolutely out of the question.
Once upon a time, right?
Raw did a 2.7 rating. That’s a low for 2014. Insanely bad considering Raw wasn’t competing with a football game and Monday wasn’t a holiday.
For Ziggler, being good doesn’t matter. For WWE management, being terrible doesn’t matter.
Lemelson Capital, representing investors, is calling for WWE’s executive management to be changed. Given Monday’s rating, the dip in stock price, the underachieving of the WWE Network and the cheaper-than-promised deal procured from NBC, Lemelson’s request isn’t unreasonable.
Changes won’t take place anytime soon. Right now, it’s Vince or bust. Or, depending on the day, Hunter and Steph or bust.
Jim Ross could help. He won’t get the chance.
Paul Heyman could help. He won’t get the chance.
No point listing more names. Because NO ONE WILL GET THE CHANCE.
Wrestling is WWE. WWE is wrestling.
That equation hurts Ziggler. It hurts the McMahons just as much. They’re just too stubborn to admit it, let alone fix it. The last thing Vince, Hunter and Steph want around is somebody who knows more than they do.
That list is growing. WWE provides stale, tired, boring programming. Until someone forces WWE to do otherwise, that won’t change.
Remember roller derby? It’s out of business now.
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Once Bo gets a better finisher, he will be the most complete wrestler on the roster, IMO.
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DC, that Mark Henry/Ricky Proehl dunk contest video is too good..
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stratusfaction....and i'm supposed to believe this flabby CAW has potential?
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That gimmick bo got is gold ,so much potential.i need a shirt lol,dont care about the flab,he got that semi ted dibiase build lol
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Bo kinda reminds me of WCW Jericho. I love it.
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Only one they have on the WWE Shop right has the big NXT print on the back. He'll get a new one son though
I see it.
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Yes to this. I realized I had to be onboard the path of greatness with Bo. I was watching SuperBrawl 7 the other day and Bo has that old Jericho element about him.
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Indeed. I saw only about the first 5 mins or so. Something distracted me and I never got back to the vid...But I'm sure the strict/unique training helps.
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loli said this about 10 pages back im glad ya startin to bolieve
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When dude kept saying "COME ONN BAYBAYYY!!!" during the match, I knew where this act was going
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All while looking like Joe Gomez
Aye Peep, your man Camacho has been doing aight as of late.
Solid NXT show this week. Fellas don't forget to watch.
Leon Rose is a got damn horrible gimmick man.
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That gif of Vince trying to do the Spinarooni has me weeaaakkkk
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Why is Camacho still a cholo? Hunico is never using his previous gimmick again
( ) so he may as well just be himself. He's basically a charisma-less Konnan right now 
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A few weeks ago he was talking without an accent, I thought, for a second, that they dropped the Mexican gimmick. I told you that was Meng's adopted son right? Him and Toma Tonga from New Japan.
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Hmmm, I had thought that was his real son. They should just recognize him as having Tonga lineage and role with that if he's not gonna team with Hunici again
