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Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
1. Let's see,Originally Posted by IHeartBoost
1. What exact technology is the average iphone consumer missing out on that Android has to offer? Apple's logic that you have mentioned is something that they apply to all their devices. Apple isnt quick to make updates that just their nature consumers should know that before purchasing their device. Android phone's hardware has been easily surpassing the application development and even the development of their OS. Realistcaly whats the point of having a phone with a dual core processor if there is no software to use for it? What you are kind of insinuating is for Apple to open up its iOS to different hardware manufacturers which it WONT do. This is a clear and obvious stance from Apple and it has been this way for a LONG time. Everyone should know now that they will refresh their products on an annual cycle which has worked VERY well with consumers. It has been mentioned in this thread that the OG Droid and its successor where released in less than a year from each other. That means that the original adopters were unable to even purchase the latest edition of that phone series. Dont you find that a bit unfair? It is really hard to compare hardware specs on different platforms. If you look at Mac vs PC debate, a lot of people want to make the claim that PC is better strictly off hardware reasons which is a dumb stance on the argument. iOS and OSX are made to be ran on SPECIFIC hardware. The software developers on both platforms are utilizing and taking advantages of that specific hardware. There is a big difference when you are writing a program for one specific hardware configuration and writing a program that needs to run well on multiple configurations. Even if you look at the bare grit of in programming language the most accessible language (Java) is the slowest of all languages.Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
1. Hardware, it's easy, HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG etc. do it all the time. Far as software, that's Apple fault if they want to continue to backpedal on outdated tech for years. I have an iPhone, I know what the feeling is when seeing what AndroidOS can do and has done in the span of a year. It's constantly evolving and the hardware manufactures are right up there with them. Apple controls what they give you, what they want you to see. Apple want to evolve the iPhone at a certain pace because they dont want to hurt there base, they think there base isn't ready for next gen tech but actually Apple in some cases is calling there consumers stupid. That's where Google x [insert phone hardware company here] comes in, they let YOU the consumer decided, not some rich dude in Nor Cal. Let's not forget, it launched without MMS because AppleOriginally Posted by IHeartBoost
1. That doesnt make sense. How could you ever be up to date with anyones Hardware if people release phones after your phone? How can you be up to date with any software if you are running a totally different platform? From my personal expereince and third party software will come out on the iPhone before Android. Show me ANY example of a major developer developing for the Android before the iPhone platform. You wont. iOS is the primary mobile developing platform even though it has the a smaller market share than android ios users support its app store way better than the Android Market.
2. Again have you seen the games here are gameplay screenshots. These screen shots are better than any DS game I remember and on par with what I remember from the PSP.
<----- An Older IOS game, look at the graphics.
3. How do you explain the attachment rate for the wii then? If it was the inferior product than why would people be buying the games in boatloads? The games suited peoples needs better than what the PS3 and XBOX had at the time for familys. The Wii was looked as a family consoles and the other 2 were looked up as Hardcore consoles. Why do you think MS is trying to change its image to a more family oriented console now? The family gamer demographic is HUGE and has basically been untouched until the Wii came out.ideatold you emailing photos is the future of mobile devices,.
2. Yes, I've seen RageHD before, it looks great for a phone. I have Metal Gear Solid for the iPhone, it's fun, looks good to. Doesn't take much though because the backgrounds are pre-render into a 2D bump map, you don't need much tech to do that. Squaresoft has been doing this for years with Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and 10 etc. Also it's not like Solid Snake heavy render in 3D either or there tons of particle animations going on. While it's a good looking game, its not technically doing anything spectacular that a PSP or DS can't handle.
3. In the beginning it was all about price, why do you think the PS360 sold much better after those price drops? Wii does have a demographic, but it's not the sole purpose of why it sold so well. Also Wii games are cheaper than PS360 games. Now that the PS360 are at reasonable price point, they are now focusing on going after the demographic with Move/Kinect.
2. Metal Gear Solid for the iOS isnt really a fair example of gaming on the platform since it is quite dated but it still shows an example of how far we have progressed in such a short time on phone games. Rage HD from Metal Gear Solid is a pretty big leap and most will say the same for Infinity Blade (which has been getting WONDERFUL reviews by all major gaming publications). What has the Android OS dont to even compete with the games on the iOS? Little to nothing is offered from the Android user in terms of actual games. You may get some cheap simple angry bird game but interms of games that can compete with other handhelds you guys have been currently left to dry.
3. Not to spend time on this argument but I do agree that price played a role in the success in the wii but that is overshadowing the fact that the Family market (which the wii targets heavily) makes up a large piece of the gaming industry. Look at the success of Kinect vs Move. Kinect is a way more family friendly and easier for users to use than the PS3 move. Kinect is I believe twice as much as the standard move bundle and it is CRUSHING the Move. Consumers will pay more for a better experience. The Wii offered at the time the best family experience that a console could offer at the moment.
Removable battery
Widgets
4G
Videocalls without wifi
Bigger screen
HDMI port
Removable storage
Charger/Notification indicator
True multitasking,
Google App updates
Notification bar
Themes
Non jailbreaking customization
Mobile hotspot
Tethering
Hell, maybe more dedicated hardware buttons? Should I go on? There is hardware and software for a dual-core processors, you never heard of the LG Optimus 2X? Motorola Atrix? Motorola Bionic, Samsung Orion (Galaxy S2), HTC Scropion? Step your phone knowledge up. Half these phones will be available before summer, just in time to show off your year old iPhone 4 that it's still inferior and guess what, these phones will be running Android 3.0 Honeycomb. These dual core proccesor are built on Android platform already, it's optimize for it, especially Honeycomb. No, I never insinuated for them to open up there iOS to third party companies, that's just dumb, and if they did, the iPhone could be a better product, IE: jailbreaking. If this 'updating at a cycle' has worked well for the cosumer, why so many complaints? Why so much fire over the years? A happy consumer isn't gonna complaint right, even if it's an Apple product. Why couldn't consumers purchase a Driod 2 if they owned a Droid? Contract? That has nothing to do with this argument though, and if you have a Droid and you really wanted a Droid 2, you can and people have got it. It's the fact Motorola didnt just sit and wait in it's cycle while others passed on, they made a another Droid when consumer asked for it. That's right, consumes wanted another Droid 2. Same way consumers want another bigger, spec'd out iPhone and Apple says, "no, keep this, your not ready for another iPhone, you don't need those options. We know what we want to give you, and you'll take it because we say so". Son give it up, Ive been down the iPhone road, ive park on fanboy ave, I ate, sleep and breath iPhone for 2 years, thank god I woke up. I saw what Apple was doing and as a consumer I wanted to choose, I dont want Apple to choose for me. So I left. Aint nothing you can argue that I havent argue before against Android dudes that will make any sense now.
I left my iPhone for an Evo 4G, best move ever. I enjoy my Evo 4G. Watching NBA, NFL over 4G x 4.3' screen in perfect clarity with the Live TV app > anything I have ever done on my jailbroken iPhone AND to top it all off, my Evo isn't even rooted (the equivilant of a jailbroken iPhone). I can do anything a jailbroken iPhone can do, stock out the box.
2. What? Son, you falling off topic, this isn't about iOS games verse Android OS games, this was about graphics regarding PSP. You suck at debating, you can't even stay on topic. Ill leave it at that.
3. Kinect on it's own is not crushing the Move, Kinect in a bundle is crushing the Move, and that's because there are two Kinect bundles ($300 and $400 model) compare to one Move bundle ($400). At the end of November Microsoft announced it has shipped 2.5 million Kinect platform (non bundle) worldwide while Sony announced 4.1 millon Moves (non bundle) have been shipped worldwide. Consumer will pay for a cheaper experience, not necessarily a better one.
1. Removable battery is not needed and is quite obsolete idea. Battery failure is rare if even existant in the iphone. The only benefits is having an extended battery life but there are already battery cases that provide this benefit.
Widgets? Not really needed and quite impossible to even accomplish on the ios unless you are talking about on the lock screen.
4g? HSPA+ wasnt available on AT&T at the time of the release.
Video calls on 3g? You can do this on Skype now and connect with way more users than any Android video calling application.
Bigger Screen? Apple made the decision to not have a bigger screen. I for one think the iPhone is at a pretty good size and isnt as bulky and oversized as some Droid phones but this is all personal preference.
HDMI? Apple has release video output cables for the iPhone. Do you expect a full fledged hdmi ouput port? I dont even think they offer those on macbooks without using an adapter. Again this is not in Apples logic to even put such a port on the device without using an adapter. Though you are right in the issue that the video output supported for iOS does not include HDMI or a digital cable solution but it does indeed output atleast onto Component cables.
Removable storage? For what reason would the iphone need removable storage? Dont you think 16 GB or 32 GB is enough storage for their demographics? The current trend right now in media solutions is cloud storage or web based applications to access media. Look at how many people have skipped syncing songs to their ipods/iphones and just use pandora? Why waste the space with movies when I can just use Netflix to watch movies? Even if you were to store Media on your iPhone I would think there is plenty of space for all of that.
Charger/Notification Indicator? Not quite sure what you mean by charger Indicator so I cant respond to that but I think the iphones notification system works well. I think they should implement a way to look at all your past pushed notifications that is indeed missing.
True Multitasking? I believe this is the burden of developers to actually use the iOS multitasking features. On Apps where the developers actually tried to use apples system it has worked perfectly (Pandora and TomTom for example) once people actually start writing more efficient apps this will not be a concern. True there are a lot of outdated apps that dont have multitasking but any other way would be a severe resource hog (there are 3rd party multitasking solutions like Backgrounder on the Cydia but its not worth it battery wise to do it).
Google App updates? Not quite sure what you mean by that but Google is responsible for updating their apps for iOS if they chose not to what can Apple do?
Notification Bar? There is a notification bar for certain apps that use which is a part of the Multitasking framework. If you have seen the Mywii apps in use it uses the notifcation bar and shows how much data is being used. It again is the burden of the app developers to actual make use of this. Now if you are talking about push notifcation bar than like I mentioned before iPhone still has some way to work with its notification system in regards to pushed notifications from applications.
Themes? iOS does offer limited customization compared to Android phones it is unjailbroken state but if you are really passionate about that kind of thing you probably can jailbreak your phone. I dont see this being a issue with the average iOS user.
Mobile Hotspot? This feature WILL be on the Verizon iphone stock and is featured on cydia already on the Mywi application.
Tethering? Already official supported on iOS.
You do know that their is a NBA League Pass app right? I dont know anything of a live NFL app but I really havent researched it. Sales wise how can you argue against Apple's phone cycle? They are clearly destroying any other phone sales wise so clearly it is working with consumers. How many people do you honestly know that are casual phone users that will pay anything more than the contract price for a phone? Little to none. It is just not in peoples budget to pay 400-500 for a cell phone. They want it for the cheapest price which is only offered with upgrades.
2. This whole debate is all about iOS vs Android at heart. Obviously iOS games arent in DIRECT competition with PSP & DS as of yet but if you have been following the trends they have been coming close and apple DID revolutionize mobile gaming with touch screen and gyroscopic handling in games. Both of these advancements have created a better user experience that the PSP and DS doesnt offer.
3. At the end of November Kinect would have been only released for 26 days! Compared to PS Moves Month and a half at the mark. If you want to actual take REAL sales into it lets look at the facts..
The reported figures on peripheral sales also muddy the picture. Sony reported that it's moved 4.1 million units to stores between its Sept. 17 launch date and Nov. 30, but the company did not supply actual sales figures. As of the same date, Microsoft reported the Kinect had sold 2.5 million units globally only 25 days after its release.
http://voices.washingtonp..._move_vs_kinect_sal.html
Here is an even updated sales figure
The holiday rush was good to Microsoft, as that number more than doubled during December, putting the Kinect at 8 million sold.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375254,00.asp
Son really went in after every reason what makes Android OS better, lol, You sound like me, 2 years ago. I too thought all those meant nothing, and if they truly meant nothing than this wouldn't have occurred,
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Like I said, you sound like me, 2 years ago. Apple has you by the balls, when they say cough, you cough. I've argue good statements with Apple users, and they've made great points but you don't even give off relevant or descent ones against Android. You're argument statements against Android that has put them in the lead in overall market share and user base, against the iPhone. Can't argue facts. How smart do you sound?
