[h1]Hello iPhone, Goodbye Upgrade[/h1]
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- JANUARY 12, 2011, 1:49 P.M. ET
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[h3]By KELLI B. GRANT & JONNELLE MARTE [/h3]
You'd have to be living in a cave to have missed the big Tuesday news that the iPhone is finally coming to Verizon. But what the company didn't announce yesterday may turn out to be more important to subscribers: A change in the company's upgrade policies that will make phones more expensive for current and future Verizon customers.
Verizon officials have confirmed what SmartMoney was told by Verizon sales reps at a number of stores around the country: [color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]The company is ending its popular "New Every Two" program, which offers Verizon subscribers a credit of $30 to $100 toward a new phone every two years. As of Jan. 16, the company will stop offering the credit to new customers and won't re-enroll current customers in the program after their next New Every Two upgrade. The cell carrier is also putting the brakes on its permissive early upgrade policy, store representatives confirmed. [/color]
All of this adds up to more out-of-pocket costs for Verizon customers. With the New Every Two perk, a longtime customer with a $100 credit could get the iPhone4 for $99.99 – half off its new-subscriber price of $199.99. When the program ends, new subscribers will no longer be eligible for those discounts. Existing customers will lose the perk when they renew their contracts (unless they renew before Jan. 16—but that date is well before iPhone orders will be taken). And with the end of the early upgrade program, customers who were previously eligible for discounted phones as early as 13 months into a two-year contract will now have to wait 20 months to get a new phone at the promotional new-customer price instead of retail (for the iPhone, that's currently a difference of $400).
The move comes as millions of cell customers are expected to jump to Verizon, now that the company has the highly-sought iPhone4. And none of them will be able to squeeze in before the company changes its policies, because the iPhone won't be available for new customers until Feb. 10. If Apple keeps its current new-phone release habits, customers who sign a new Verizon contract in February will be locked out of preferred pricing for later models until three months after Apple releases a new model in July 2012.
Verizon's motives in the change are obvious, analysts say: Every time a customer upgrades his phone at a discount, there's a significant cost to the company. As of now, carriers lose money on every discounted handset, but make it up with income from a two-year contract. (That subsidy is why a new 16GB iPhone 4 costs $199 with a contract and $599 retail.) By forcing consumers to wait to upgrade – or pay more to do it – the company cuts its losses, without losing any income from the contracts. "The longer you can get customers to go between upgrading their phones, the stronger the profitability for the carrier," says Michael Hodel, an equity analyst covering Verizon for Morningstar. That point hit home for Verizon rival AT&T last year when it allowed subscribers to upgrade early—often even waiving its $18 processing fee--when the iPhone4 was released on its network. Its profit margins shrunk considerably, says Hodel.
That's true for every other cell carrier as well, because most offer their own discounts and early upgrades. And as they roll out their own 4G networks and accumulate more smartphone subscribers, they're also likely get more stingy with upgrades, says Neil Strother, an analyst for ABI Research. That perk-tightening comes on top of extra fees and higher early exit charges. Sprint (S), for example, already tacks on an extra $10 monthly surcharge for 4G-capable handsets. Carriers have also doubled their early termination fees, charging up to $350 for smartphones, as a way to recoup money on the phone and contract revenue if you defect, says Andrew Eisner, the director of content for Retrevo.com.
Verizon is well positioned to be the first to adjust its upgrade program, Hodel says, because of its status—it's one of the largest carriers and has built a brand around its service, not a single device. And in general, cell carriers and analysts expect customers to accept the growing costs without much of a fight. Consumers have already proven they're rabid for the the latest and greatest device—and are willing to pay extra to get it. The week after Apple's announced its iPhone 4 in June, 2010, gadget trade-in site Gazelle.com saw a 5,900% increase in people seeking buyers for their soon-to-be-old iPhone, a trend that slowed but continued steadily over the next month when the phone hit stores.
One bright side, industry-watchers say consumers can expect the Verizon iPhone to spur more competition, which ought to improve networks – and pricing. "The four national carriers are all fighting for the smartphone crowd in some way," says Ken Dulaney, an analyst with Gartner Research. What customers lose in discounted upgrades, they might gain with different pricing plans or faster networks. (Without the iPhone, Sprint and T-Mobile are likely to focus their pitches on network speeds and Android phones.) For example, AT&T is already touting its iPhone's capability to handle voice and data simultaneously (Verizon's can't)—and the fact that its version of the handset costs a full 99-cents less.
This sucks balls.
[h1]Hello iPhone, Goodbye Upgrade[/h1]
- BUSINESS
- JANUARY 12, 2011, 1:49 P.M. ET
more in Business »
[h3]By KELLI B. GRANT & JONNELLE MARTE [/h3]
You'd have to be living in a cave to have missed the big Tuesday news that the iPhone is finally coming to Verizon. But what the company didn't announce yesterday may turn out to be more important to subscribers: A change in the company's upgrade policies that will make phones more expensive for current and future Verizon customers.
Verizon officials have confirmed what SmartMoney was told by Verizon sales reps at a number of stores around the country: [color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]The company is ending its popular "New Every Two" program, which offers Verizon subscribers a credit of $30 to $100 toward a new phone every two years. As of Jan. 16, the company will stop offering the credit to new customers and won't re-enroll current customers in the program after their next New Every Two upgrade. The cell carrier is also putting the brakes on its permissive early upgrade policy, store representatives confirmed. [/color]
All of this adds up to more out-of-pocket costs for Verizon customers. With the New Every Two perk, a longtime customer with a $100 credit could get the iPhone4 for $99.99 – half off its new-subscriber price of $199.99. When the program ends, new subscribers will no longer be eligible for those discounts. Existing customers will lose the perk when they renew their contracts (unless they renew before Jan. 16—but that date is well before iPhone orders will be taken). And with the end of the early upgrade program, customers who were previously eligible for discounted phones as early as 13 months into a two-year contract will now have to wait 20 months to get a new phone at the promotional new-customer price instead of retail (for the iPhone, that's currently a difference of $400).
The move comes as millions of cell customers are expected to jump to Verizon, now that the company has the highly-sought iPhone4. And none of them will be able to squeeze in before the company changes its policies, because the iPhone won't be available for new customers until Feb. 10. If Apple keeps its current new-phone release habits, customers who sign a new Verizon contract in February will be locked out of preferred pricing for later models until three months after Apple releases a new model in July 2012.
Verizon's motives in the change are obvious, analysts say: Every time a customer upgrades his phone at a discount, there's a significant cost to the company. As of now, carriers lose money on every discounted handset, but make it up with income from a two-year contract. (That subsidy is why a new 16GB iPhone 4 costs $199 with a contract and $599 retail.) By forcing consumers to wait to upgrade – or pay more to do it – the company cuts its losses, without losing any income from the contracts. "The longer you can get customers to go between upgrading their phones, the stronger the profitability for the carrier," says Michael Hodel, an equity analyst covering Verizon for Morningstar. That point hit home for Verizon rival AT&T last year when it allowed subscribers to upgrade early—often even waiving its $18 processing fee--when the iPhone4 was released on its network. Its profit margins shrunk considerably, says Hodel.
That's true for every other cell carrier as well, because most offer their own discounts and early upgrades. And as they roll out their own 4G networks and accumulate more smartphone subscribers, they're also likely get more stingy with upgrades, says Neil Strother, an analyst for ABI Research. That perk-tightening comes on top of extra fees and higher early exit charges. Sprint (S), for example, already tacks on an extra $10 monthly surcharge for 4G-capable handsets. Carriers have also doubled their early termination fees, charging up to $350 for smartphones, as a way to recoup money on the phone and contract revenue if you defect, says Andrew Eisner, the director of content for Retrevo.com.
Verizon is well positioned to be the first to adjust its upgrade program, Hodel says, because of its status—it's one of the largest carriers and has built a brand around its service, not a single device. And in general, cell carriers and analysts expect customers to accept the growing costs without much of a fight. Consumers have already proven they're rabid for the the latest and greatest device—and are willing to pay extra to get it. The week after Apple's announced its iPhone 4 in June, 2010, gadget trade-in site Gazelle.com saw a 5,900% increase in people seeking buyers for their soon-to-be-old iPhone, a trend that slowed but continued steadily over the next month when the phone hit stores.
One bright side, industry-watchers say consumers can expect the Verizon iPhone to spur more competition, which ought to improve networks – and pricing. "The four national carriers are all fighting for the smartphone crowd in some way," says Ken Dulaney, an analyst with Gartner Research. What customers lose in discounted upgrades, they might gain with different pricing plans or faster networks. (Without the iPhone, Sprint and T-Mobile are likely to focus their pitches on network speeds and Android phones.) For example, AT&T is already touting its iPhone's capability to handle voice and data simultaneously (Verizon's can't)—and the fact that its version of the handset costs a full 99-cents less.
This sucks balls.
and lets not forget the upcoming Metro PCS.....those are CDMA also.....sales for these will still be crazy
and lets not forget the upcoming Metro PCS.....those are CDMA also.....sales for these will still be crazy
Originally Posted by Dame Theory
[h1]Hello iPhone, Goodbye Upgrade[/h1]
- BUSINESS
- JANUARY 12, 2011, 1:49 P.M. ET
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[h3]By KELLI B. GRANT & JONNELLE MARTE [/h3]
You'd have to be living in a cave to have missed the big Tuesday news that the iPhone is finally coming to Verizon. But what the company didn't announce yesterday may turn out to be more important to subscribers: A change in the company's upgrade policies that will make phones more expensive for current and future Verizon customers.
Verizon officials have confirmed what SmartMoney was told by Verizon sales reps at a number of stores around the country: [color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]The company is ending its popular "New Every Two" program, which offers Verizon subscribers a credit of $30 to $100 toward a new phone every two years. As of Jan. 16, the company will stop offering the credit to new customers and won't re-enroll current customers in the program after their next New Every Two upgrade. The cell carrier is also putting the brakes on its permissive early upgrade policy, store representatives confirmed. [/color]
All of this adds up to more out-of-pocket costs for Verizon customers. With the New Every Two perk, a longtime customer with a $100 credit could get the iPhone4 for $99.99 – half off its new-subscriber price of $199.99. When the program ends, new subscribers will no longer be eligible for those discounts. Existing customers will lose the perk when they renew their contracts (unless they renew before Jan. 16—but that date is well before iPhone orders will be taken). And with the end of the early upgrade program, customers who were previously eligible for discounted phones as early as 13 months into a two-year contract will now have to wait 20 months to get a new phone at the promotional new-customer price instead of retail (for the iPhone, that's currently a difference of $400).
The move comes as millions of cell customers are expected to jump to Verizon, now that the company has the highly-sought iPhone4. And none of them will be able to squeeze in before the company changes its policies, because the iPhone won't be available for new customers until Feb. 10. If Apple keeps its current new-phone release habits, customers who sign a new Verizon contract in February will be locked out of preferred pricing for later models until three months after Apple releases a new model in July 2012.
Verizon's motives in the change are obvious, analysts say: Every time a customer upgrades his phone at a discount, there's a significant cost to the company. As of now, carriers lose money on every discounted handset, but make it up with income from a two-year contract. (That subsidy is why a new 16GB iPhone 4 costs $199 with a contract and $599 retail.) By forcing consumers to wait to upgrade – or pay more to do it – the company cuts its losses, without losing any income from the contracts. "The longer you can get customers to go between upgrading their phones, the stronger the profitability for the carrier," says Michael Hodel, an equity analyst covering Verizon for Morningstar. That point hit home for Verizon rival AT&T last year when it allowed subscribers to upgrade early—often even waiving its $18 processing fee--when the iPhone4 was released on its network. Its profit margins shrunk considerably, says Hodel.
That's true for every other cell carrier as well, because most offer their own discounts and early upgrades. And as they roll out their own 4G networks and accumulate more smartphone subscribers, they're also likely get more stingy with upgrades, says Neil Strother, an analyst for ABI Research. That perk-tightening comes on top of extra fees and higher early exit charges. Sprint (S), for example, already tacks on an extra $10 monthly surcharge for 4G-capable handsets. Carriers have also doubled their early termination fees, charging up to $350 for smartphones, as a way to recoup money on the phone and contract revenue if you defect, says Andrew Eisner, the director of content for Retrevo.com.
Verizon is well positioned to be the first to adjust its upgrade program, Hodel says, because of its status—it's one of the largest carriers and has built a brand around its service, not a single device. And in general, cell carriers and analysts expect customers to accept the growing costs without much of a fight. Consumers have already proven they're rabid for the the latest and greatest device—and are willing to pay extra to get it. The week after Apple's announced its iPhone 4 in June, 2010, gadget trade-in site Gazelle.com saw a 5,900% increase in people seeking buyers for their soon-to-be-old iPhone, a trend that slowed but continued steadily over the next month when the phone hit stores.
One bright side, industry-watchers say consumers can expect the Verizon iPhone to spur more competition, which ought to improve networks – and pricing. "The four national carriers are all fighting for the smartphone crowd in some way," says Ken Dulaney, an analyst with Gartner Research. What customers lose in discounted upgrades, they might gain with different pricing plans or faster networks. (Without the iPhone, Sprint and T-Mobile are likely to focus their pitches on network speeds and Android phones.) For example, AT&T is already touting its iPhone's capability to handle voice and data simultaneously (Verizon's can't)—and the fact that its version of the handset costs a full 99-cents less.
Originally Posted by Dame Theory
[h1]Hello iPhone, Goodbye Upgrade[/h1]
- BUSINESS
- JANUARY 12, 2011, 1:49 P.M. ET
more in Business »
[h3]By KELLI B. GRANT & JONNELLE MARTE [/h3]
You'd have to be living in a cave to have missed the big Tuesday news that the iPhone is finally coming to Verizon. But what the company didn't announce yesterday may turn out to be more important to subscribers: A change in the company's upgrade policies that will make phones more expensive for current and future Verizon customers.
Verizon officials have confirmed what SmartMoney was told by Verizon sales reps at a number of stores around the country: [color= rgb(255, 255, 0)]The company is ending its popular "New Every Two" program, which offers Verizon subscribers a credit of $30 to $100 toward a new phone every two years. As of Jan. 16, the company will stop offering the credit to new customers and won't re-enroll current customers in the program after their next New Every Two upgrade. The cell carrier is also putting the brakes on its permissive early upgrade policy, store representatives confirmed. [/color]
All of this adds up to more out-of-pocket costs for Verizon customers. With the New Every Two perk, a longtime customer with a $100 credit could get the iPhone4 for $99.99 – half off its new-subscriber price of $199.99. When the program ends, new subscribers will no longer be eligible for those discounts. Existing customers will lose the perk when they renew their contracts (unless they renew before Jan. 16—but that date is well before iPhone orders will be taken). And with the end of the early upgrade program, customers who were previously eligible for discounted phones as early as 13 months into a two-year contract will now have to wait 20 months to get a new phone at the promotional new-customer price instead of retail (for the iPhone, that's currently a difference of $400).
The move comes as millions of cell customers are expected to jump to Verizon, now that the company has the highly-sought iPhone4. And none of them will be able to squeeze in before the company changes its policies, because the iPhone won't be available for new customers until Feb. 10. If Apple keeps its current new-phone release habits, customers who sign a new Verizon contract in February will be locked out of preferred pricing for later models until three months after Apple releases a new model in July 2012.
Verizon's motives in the change are obvious, analysts say: Every time a customer upgrades his phone at a discount, there's a significant cost to the company. As of now, carriers lose money on every discounted handset, but make it up with income from a two-year contract. (That subsidy is why a new 16GB iPhone 4 costs $199 with a contract and $599 retail.) By forcing consumers to wait to upgrade – or pay more to do it – the company cuts its losses, without losing any income from the contracts. "The longer you can get customers to go between upgrading their phones, the stronger the profitability for the carrier," says Michael Hodel, an equity analyst covering Verizon for Morningstar. That point hit home for Verizon rival AT&T last year when it allowed subscribers to upgrade early—often even waiving its $18 processing fee--when the iPhone4 was released on its network. Its profit margins shrunk considerably, says Hodel.
That's true for every other cell carrier as well, because most offer their own discounts and early upgrades. And as they roll out their own 4G networks and accumulate more smartphone subscribers, they're also likely get more stingy with upgrades, says Neil Strother, an analyst for ABI Research. That perk-tightening comes on top of extra fees and higher early exit charges. Sprint (S), for example, already tacks on an extra $10 monthly surcharge for 4G-capable handsets. Carriers have also doubled their early termination fees, charging up to $350 for smartphones, as a way to recoup money on the phone and contract revenue if you defect, says Andrew Eisner, the director of content for Retrevo.com.
Verizon is well positioned to be the first to adjust its upgrade program, Hodel says, because of its status—it's one of the largest carriers and has built a brand around its service, not a single device. And in general, cell carriers and analysts expect customers to accept the growing costs without much of a fight. Consumers have already proven they're rabid for the the latest and greatest device—and are willing to pay extra to get it. The week after Apple's announced its iPhone 4 in June, 2010, gadget trade-in site Gazelle.com saw a 5,900% increase in people seeking buyers for their soon-to-be-old iPhone, a trend that slowed but continued steadily over the next month when the phone hit stores.
One bright side, industry-watchers say consumers can expect the Verizon iPhone to spur more competition, which ought to improve networks – and pricing. "The four national carriers are all fighting for the smartphone crowd in some way," says Ken Dulaney, an analyst with Gartner Research. What customers lose in discounted upgrades, they might gain with different pricing plans or faster networks. (Without the iPhone, Sprint and T-Mobile are likely to focus their pitches on network speeds and Android phones.) For example, AT&T is already touting its iPhone's capability to handle voice and data simultaneously (Verizon's can't)—and the fact that its version of the handset costs a full 99-cents less.
1. What exact technology is the average iphone consumer missing out on that Android has to offer? Apple's logic that you have mentioned is something that they apply to all their devices. Apple isnt quick to make updates that just their nature consumers should know that before purchasing their device. Android phone's hardware has been easily surpassing the application development and even the development of their OS. Realistcaly whats the point of having a phone with a dual core processor if there is no software to use for it? What you are kind of insinuating is for Apple to open up its iOS to different hardware manufacturers which it WONT do. This is a clear and obvious stance from Apple and it has been this way for a LONG time. Everyone should know now that they will refresh their products on an annual cycle which has worked VERY well with consumers. It has been mentioned in this thread that the OG Droid and its successor where released in less than a year from each other. That means that the original adopters were unable to even purchase the latest edition of that phone series. Dont you find that a bit unfair? It is really hard to compare hardware specs on different platforms. If you look at Mac vs PC debate, a lot of people want to make the claim that PC is better strictly off hardware reasons which is a dumb stance on the argument. iOS and OSX are made to be ran on SPECIFIC hardware. The software developers on both platforms are utilizing and taking advantages of that specific hardware. There is a big difference when you are writing a program for one specific hardware configuration and writing a program that needs to run well on multiple configurations. Even if you look at the bare grit of in programming language the most accessible language (Java) is the slowest of all languages.Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
1. Hardware, it's easy, HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG etc. do it all the time. Far as software, that's Apple fault if they want to continue to backpedal on outdated tech for years. I have an iPhone, I know what the feeling is when seeing what AndroidOS can do and has done in the span of a year. It's constantly evolving and the hardware manufactures are right up there with them. Apple controls what they give you, what they want you to see. Apple want to evolve the iPhone at a certain pace because they dont want to hurt there base, they think there base isn't ready for next gen tech but actually Apple in some cases is calling there consumers stupid. That's where Google x [insert phone hardware company here] comes in, they let YOU the consumer decided, not some rich dude in Nor Cal. Let's not forget, it launched without MMS because AppleOriginally Posted by IHeartBoost
1. That doesnt make sense. How could you ever be up to date with anyones Hardware if people release phones after your phone? How can you be up to date with any software if you are running a totally different platform? From my personal expereince and third party software will come out on the iPhone before Android. Show me ANY example of a major developer developing for the Android before the iPhone platform. You wont. iOS is the primary mobile developing platform even though it has the a smaller market share than android ios users support its app store way better than the Android Market.
2. Again have you seen the games here are gameplay screenshots. These screen shots are better than any DS game I remember and on par with what I remember from the PSP.
<----- An Older IOS game, look at the graphics.
3. How do you explain the attachment rate for the wii then? If it was the inferior product than why would people be buying the games in boatloads? The games suited peoples needs better than what the PS3 and XBOX had at the time for familys. The Wii was looked as a family consoles and the other 2 were looked up as Hardcore consoles. Why do you think MS is trying to change its image to a more family oriented console now? The family gamer demographic is HUGE and has basically been untouched until the Wii came out.ideatold you emailing photos is the future of mobile devices,.
2. Yes, I've seen RageHD before, it looks great for a phone. I have Metal Gear Solid for the iPhone, it's fun, looks good to. Doesn't take much though because the backgrounds are pre-render into a 2D bump map, you don't need much tech to do that. Squaresoft has been doing this for years with Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and 10 etc. Also it's not like Solid Snake heavy render in 3D either or there tons of particle animations going on. While it's a good looking game, its not technically doing anything spectacular that a PSP or DS can't handle.
3. In the beginning it was all about price, why do you think the PS360 sold much better after those price drops? Wii does have a demographic, but it's not the sole purpose of why it sold so well. Also Wii games are cheaper than PS360 games. Now that the PS360 are at reasonable price point, they are now focusing on going after the demographic with Move/Kinect.
1. What exact technology is the average iphone consumer missing out on that Android has to offer? Apple's logic that you have mentioned is something that they apply to all their devices. Apple isnt quick to make updates that just their nature consumers should know that before purchasing their device. Android phone's hardware has been easily surpassing the application development and even the development of their OS. Realistcaly whats the point of having a phone with a dual core processor if there is no software to use for it? What you are kind of insinuating is for Apple to open up its iOS to different hardware manufacturers which it WONT do. This is a clear and obvious stance from Apple and it has been this way for a LONG time. Everyone should know now that they will refresh their products on an annual cycle which has worked VERY well with consumers. It has been mentioned in this thread that the OG Droid and its successor where released in less than a year from each other. That means that the original adopters were unable to even purchase the latest edition of that phone series. Dont you find that a bit unfair? It is really hard to compare hardware specs on different platforms. If you look at Mac vs PC debate, a lot of people want to make the claim that PC is better strictly off hardware reasons which is a dumb stance on the argument. iOS and OSX are made to be ran on SPECIFIC hardware. The software developers on both platforms are utilizing and taking advantages of that specific hardware. There is a big difference when you are writing a program for one specific hardware configuration and writing a program that needs to run well on multiple configurations. Even if you look at the bare grit of in programming language the most accessible language (Java) is the slowest of all languages.Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
1. Hardware, it's easy, HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG etc. do it all the time. Far as software, that's Apple fault if they want to continue to backpedal on outdated tech for years. I have an iPhone, I know what the feeling is when seeing what AndroidOS can do and has done in the span of a year. It's constantly evolving and the hardware manufactures are right up there with them. Apple controls what they give you, what they want you to see. Apple want to evolve the iPhone at a certain pace because they dont want to hurt there base, they think there base isn't ready for next gen tech but actually Apple in some cases is calling there consumers stupid. That's where Google x [insert phone hardware company here] comes in, they let YOU the consumer decided, not some rich dude in Nor Cal. Let's not forget, it launched without MMS because AppleOriginally Posted by IHeartBoost
1. That doesnt make sense. How could you ever be up to date with anyones Hardware if people release phones after your phone? How can you be up to date with any software if you are running a totally different platform? From my personal expereince and third party software will come out on the iPhone before Android. Show me ANY example of a major developer developing for the Android before the iPhone platform. You wont. iOS is the primary mobile developing platform even though it has the a smaller market share than android ios users support its app store way better than the Android Market.
2. Again have you seen the games here are gameplay screenshots. These screen shots are better than any DS game I remember and on par with what I remember from the PSP.
<----- An Older IOS game, look at the graphics.
3. How do you explain the attachment rate for the wii then? If it was the inferior product than why would people be buying the games in boatloads? The games suited peoples needs better than what the PS3 and XBOX had at the time for familys. The Wii was looked as a family consoles and the other 2 were looked up as Hardcore consoles. Why do you think MS is trying to change its image to a more family oriented console now? The family gamer demographic is HUGE and has basically been untouched until the Wii came out.ideatold you emailing photos is the future of mobile devices,.
2. Yes, I've seen RageHD before, it looks great for a phone. I have Metal Gear Solid for the iPhone, it's fun, looks good to. Doesn't take much though because the backgrounds are pre-render into a 2D bump map, you don't need much tech to do that. Squaresoft has been doing this for years with Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and 10 etc. Also it's not like Solid Snake heavy render in 3D either or there tons of particle animations going on. While it's a good looking game, its not technically doing anything spectacular that a PSP or DS can't handle.
3. In the beginning it was all about price, why do you think the PS360 sold much better after those price drops? Wii does have a demographic, but it's not the sole purpose of why it sold so well. Also Wii games are cheaper than PS360 games. Now that the PS360 are at reasonable price point, they are now focusing on going after the demographic with Move/Kinect.
Yeah I'm afraid to leave AT&T also because of my grandfathered data plan. I remember reading way back in the days on howardforums how people had grandfathered minute plans from voicestream that they were afraid to leave from and now here it happens again with data, history repeats itself what do you know. I also agree that the next iphone iteration wont be a big leap hardware wise from the iPhone 4 but your rational behind naming seems about right and goes with apples history.Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
VZW is prob gonna do the same and cap, a lot of European carries have a 2-3GB cap. VZW already said that they will chare for LTE but as was stated in the article, people want the latest and greatest so they're gonna pay for it regardless. I believe Qualcomm, made the CDMA chipset for the iPhone 4, and they already have a CDMA chipset that supports LTE as the Thunderbolt has it. I see the next iPhone being the iPhone 4G for both carriers before they put out the iPhone 5. It's most likely gonna be like, 3G>3GS>4>4G.....Anywho, I never plan to leave AT&T not because I have good service with them but my unlimited data was grandfathered in, I know on my old phone I have gone. over 3GBs. But this year is going to be phone year, the competition looks great. Hopefully VZW can handle the influx of users, I wonder if they will pull their droid does as
Yeah I'm afraid to leave AT&T also because of my grandfathered data plan. I remember reading way back in the days on howardforums how people had grandfathered minute plans from voicestream that they were afraid to leave from and now here it happens again with data, history repeats itself what do you know. I also agree that the next iphone iteration wont be a big leap hardware wise from the iPhone 4 but your rational behind naming seems about right and goes with apples history.Originally Posted by usainboltisfast
VZW is prob gonna do the same and cap, a lot of European carries have a 2-3GB cap. VZW already said that they will chare for LTE but as was stated in the article, people want the latest and greatest so they're gonna pay for it regardless. I believe Qualcomm, made the CDMA chipset for the iPhone 4, and they already have a CDMA chipset that supports LTE as the Thunderbolt has it. I see the next iPhone being the iPhone 4G for both carriers before they put out the iPhone 5. It's most likely gonna be like, 3G>3GS>4>4G.....Anywho, I never plan to leave AT&T not because I have good service with them but my unlimited data was grandfathered in, I know on my old phone I have gone. over 3GBs. But this year is going to be phone year, the competition looks great. Hopefully VZW can handle the influx of users, I wonder if they will pull their droid does as
THIS... i really don't see the hype in 4g or LTE if you have to pay extra for it... im fine with the 3g on my incredible and the 30$ is straight for me... the 3g is more than fast enough for me so need to pay extra for 4g or LTE
THIS... i really don't see the hype in 4g or LTE if you have to pay extra for it... im fine with the 3g on my incredible and the 30$ is straight for me... the 3g is more than fast enough for me so need to pay extra for 4g or LTE
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