With constant videos like this that go viral it’s amazing that we still have naive, asinine, and uninformed individuals like
Belgium
still running around talking that after school and business program nonsense. This is what happens when someone doesn’t live in the area, isn’t familiar with the area and dam sure isn’t familiar with the people in the area.
There’s no business program available for a full time criminal…..I don’t care what age you are. This is what happens when someone like
Belgium
is literally foreign to what is going on somewhere because he doesn’t live there. Facts, data and statistical information is good…..and that’s one aspect of life. The other aspect and more important aspect of life is life experience, and you can’t get life experience by being on the internet and being a research nerd, which is what he is attempting to do.
Belgium
already admitted he doesn’t know much about hip hop and who’s who given his most recent post in the music forum. Meaning he doesn’t understand the culture……because he doesn’t live it.
A guy like
Belgium
who is unfamiliar should be asking questions, taking notes and listening with both ears open if he wants to gain any insight or knowledge. Imagine someone going to where he lives who is not a resident giving their opinion as if it were a fact……how do you think he and others like him would feel.
From here on out as it pertains to this thread
Belgium
I don’t want to see you giving your opinion champ, I want to see you raising your hand and hoping to be called upon to ask a question rather than volunteering irrelevant information.
Last time I checked, violent crime is a universal thing. This is also just a disingenuous distortion of my views. You’ve been arguing with black Americans in this very thread who hold the same view on these kind of programs.
Feel free to mute me if it’s that bothersome to you. As for if someone wanted to speak on the issues in my country, why would I have an issue with that even if it is wholly uninformed? Sorry but I’m not that fragile. Likewise, you can insult me all you want if it makes you feel better.
As I said before, you’re again just throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
There is no argument against such programs. There is a valid debate about the extent of their effectiveness, sure, but they demonstrably have a positive impact. You on the other hand seem to think that they’re completely worthless because they’re not a magical solution, which is just straight up delusional. Prison isn’t a magic solution either, would you like to throw that out with the bathwater as well?
Where you go completely off the deep end is by acting like that’s all there is to it.
Fundamentally I don’t even think we disagree all that much, as I’ll point out below.
Such programs are primarily about preventing criminal behavior in the first place. As you said, hardened criminals are generally too far gone at that point.
That is why the primary responsibility falls on the parents first and foremost. So again, we agree on that.
I’m also in favor of charging teens as adults in cases of extreme violent crime (shootings etc) or continued repeat offending after prior rehabilitation efforts, so I think we also largely agree on that point.
Your issue with me seems to largely stem from a delusional misunderstanding of my view, not a fundamental disagreement.
Damn,
Belgium
put on notice!
All while I'm fairly sure I don't even have a fundamental disagreement with the guy
For what it's worth, I do understand that some may not be entirely comfortable with a foreign white man opining on issues concerning black Americans, however in this case I don't see violent crime as something specific to the US, and most definitely not specific to black culture. Him bringing up black/hiphop culture seemed to imply that latter part.
I try to make it clear that if anyone wants to speak on my country, they're welcome to do so and I see no issue with it. The flaw in that argument however is that, let's be real, nobody cares enough Belgium enough to even insult it in the first place.
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