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What are you most looking forward to? (Two choices allowed)

  • Derek Carr's return

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • Amari Cooper's third season

    Votes: 3 9.4%
  • Khalil Mack in his prime

    Votes: 7 21.9%
  • Marshawn Lynch where he belongs

    Votes: 15 46.9%
  • Defensive improvements

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Showdown in Mexico City

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Revenge against Kansas City

    Votes: 3 9.4%
  • Other (specify)

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
i think that a lot of you are putting way too much emphasis on the coaching problem and not the players. yes, our coaching is horrible. however, it is also terrible if you know better, but yet still execute the same garbage. if the play call is bubble screen, but you have a WR on the opposite side cutting across the middle wide open, what are you gonna do? are you going with the covered screen anyway or make the adjustment?

the coaching may be ****, but the players are paid to play. they are paid to make the right decisions to win games. what does coaching have to do with drops or overthrown passes? if the players make all their catches in practice, but drop them in games, how is that on the coach? if Carr completes 100% of his passes in practice, but overthrows for 2 INTs in a game, how is that on the coach? if Seth fumbles the ball on the 5 yard line (or whatever it was), how is that the coaches fault? all three instances are solely on the player.

you say that the coaches aren't setting them up to succeed. if you tell Sean Smith to press cover his man, but he continues to back up 10 yards, how is that on the coach? you want KNJR to run on to the field and physically move him? i suggested using Belichick's method of benching players who fumble. apparently, that's a stupid idea, because we won't have any players left. well, if the players aren't held accountable, then what? they're just going to keep going about their way, because they know they're going to start/play/get paid/etc. anyway.

the fault of the coaches is the lack of applied discipline. even though the play calling, on both sides has been ******, the players should be able to adjust regardless. it irks me to not see Carr make more adjustments. our secondary, well we're screwed. we just don't have the talent. we don't blitz, because our corners can't cover anyone. KJ has to play up to defend the run, because our LBs are weak. Mack is the only real pass rusher we have, and he's always double teamed. our defense is expected to be ***. can't deny that one. but either Carr doesn't wanna upset Downing or what, because this dude hardly makes any adjustments.
 
Blaming Derek first here shouldn't be on anyone's mind. He has proven what he's capable of. Tell me, what's the most obvious change on this team compared to last year that could have this much of an impact on the offense's ability to score?

It really isn't complicated.

Downing is first, but Carr isn't THAT far behind. we know he's capable. my issue is that he's not using his skills, because it seems like he doesn't want to upset the coaches.
 
Just feel like the run game was great and then we rely on the passing game and the passing game falls through.
We just weren't executing well through the air and the opposing team took advantage of those mistakes and blunders.
Carr does look like a robot njavier03 njavier03
 
I still lean towards more blame on the coaches, yeah players are at fault but this happens all over the league.
Coaches are the ones who are supposed to correct things, we still making the same mental mistakes 3 years in a row.
Players have came and gone, but we still see the same things.
 
I still lean towards more blame on the coaches, yeah players are at fault but this happens all over the league.
Coaches are the ones who are supposed to correct things, we still making the same mental mistakes 3 years in a row.
Players have came and gone, but we still see the same things.

Yes and I won't take a break either brother :smile: Miss the mid 2000's Raiders.
I'll keep the smart *** comments and sarcasm coming just for comedy. It's terrible I know.
 
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It is absolutely the coaches who need to be blamed here. The team is NEVER put in a position to win. How are we supposed to win with this offensive gameplan? How are we supposed to beat Tom Brady when we give his receivers 10 yard cushions? We just came off the bye week and looked totally caught off guard. How can you blame the players for that?
 
It is absolutely the coaches who need to be blamed here. The team is NEVER put in a position to win. How are we supposed to win with this offensive gameplan? How are we supposed to beat Tom Brady when we give his receivers 10 yard cushions? We just came off the bye week and looked totally caught off guard. How can you blame the players for that?

They were so good on the ground and like the no huddle offense against the Chiefs last year they start and then abandon it...
Marshawn and Olawale and DeAndre were building a good rhythm.
 
It is absolutely the coaches who need to be blamed here. The team is NEVER put in a position to win. How are we supposed to win with this offensive gameplan? How are we supposed to beat Tom Brady when we give his receivers 10 yard cushions? We just came off the bye week and looked totally caught off guard. How can you blame the players for that?

it both the players and the coaching. my thing is that the coaches aren't out there playing madden. the players are on the field. if you KNOW the play is ******, why run it anyway? why not audible? why not make adjustments? that goes for both sides of the ball. thats the only reason why i argue that is solely the coaches fault. they're not the ones on the field. the players can adjust to bad coaching, but coaching cant really adjust to bad players. thats all im saying.
 
Just feel like the run game was great and then we rely on the passing game and the passing game falls through.
We just weren't executing well through the air and the opposing team took advantage of those mistakes and blunders.
Carr does look like a robot njavier03 njavier03

that's essentially my whole point with Carr. at least EJ broke out of the pocket, scrambled, and even ran for a first against Baltimore. Carr is being a yes man right now and it sickens me because he's better than that.
 
:lol: You say it’s not Madden but then blast the players for not making audibles and adjustments at the line when the play is ******, on both sides of the ball. That’s not how it works man.
 
I thought hiring Pagano was a precursor to KNJ getting fired, kind if surprised it didn't happen yet.

I think Jack is strongly opposed to having experienced coordinators because he prefers having control over fresh guys in the position. His disregard for them in Jacksonville and his babying of Norton is proof of that. That has to change after this season, even if it means Reggie choosing those guys himself.
 
:lol: You say it’s not Madden but then blast the players for not making audibles and adjustments at the line when the play is ****ed, on both sides of the ball. That’s not how it works man.

How is that not how it works? Brady, Manning, damn near any other QB doesn’t audible? You don’t see the QB make signals to the WR, OL, or RB. The MLB doesn’t say something if he can sense a screen? You’re arguing just argue bro. Idk about you but I played LB in high school and even at that level we made pre snap adjustments. You must not have actually played the sport.
 
it both the players and the coaching. my thing is that the coaches aren't out there playing madden. the players are on the field. if you KNOW the play is ****ed, why run it anyway? why not audible? why not make adjustments? that goes for both sides of the ball. thats the only reason why i argue that is solely the coaches fault. they're not the ones on the field. the players can adjust to bad coaching, but coaching cant really adjust to bad players. thats all im saying.
Audibles and the freedom to do so are put in place by the COACHES. If its not somethong practiced or worked on football is difficult to make those on the fly adjustments. Knowing ur personnel is key to. How many times did we run behind penn last year in left side? This year we havnt gon back to picking a side. The oc doesnt have a feel for this offense or what the opponents will look to do. If everything stayed the same and all we changed was the oc then that should tell you where the problems lie
 
How is that not how it works? Brady, Manning, damn near any other QB doesn’t audible? You don’t see the QB make signals to the WR, OL, or RB. The MLB doesn’t say something if he can sense a screen? You’re arguing just argue bro. Idk about you but I played LB in high school and even at that level we made pre snap adjustments. You must not have actually played the sport.

What does Brady and Manning have in Common? Good coaches that put them in the place chance to win. It wasn’t all them :lol
 
How is that not how it works? Brady, Manning, damn near any other QB doesn’t audible? You don’t see the QB make signals to the WR, OL, or RB. The MLB doesn’t say something if he can sense a screen? You’re arguing just argue bro. Idk about you but I played LB in high school and even at that level we made pre snap adjustments. You must not have actually played the sport.
The natural followup question is were yall any good? Lol that freedom is earned bra not ust given. Falcons caught that flack in the super bowl last year, it happens. Your lone experience playing highschool is a terrible example especially when a majority of highschools rarely pass and do it well. And on defense u rarely see a man scheme. Its zone defense with a big cushion on the outside

Most coaches want control and messing with that control can have unwanted consequences
 
I want JDR gone but i highly doubt Mark is gunna do that after giving him an extension last year.

**** sucks but I'm not seeing how they get better next year. Especially if Norton is replaced by Pagano and Carr is given another new OC.
 
Most coaches want control and messing with that control can have unwanted consequences

was that rumour ever confirmed that Downing doesn't want Carr calling audibles?
seems more and more likely to be true with how much he did it last season.
 
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