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Luxury Slump Leads Some Swiss Watchmakers to Seek State Aid​

  • Girard-Perregaux and Ulysse Nardin among brands getting help
  • Work stoppages follow drop in demand for Swiss watch industry


Swiss luxury watchmakers are turning to the government for financial aid to help them weather a downturn in demand.
Girard-Perregaux and Ulysse Nardin have become the first brands to confirm they’re using a state program to retain jobs and avoid permanent cuts. Sowind Group, which owns the two manufacturers, has put about 50, or 15%, of its 320 workers on so-called short-time work or furlough, according to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Patrick Pruniaux.

“It’s a small watch crisis so far, slightly disconnected from the economy,” Pruniaux said in an interview at the Geneva Watch Days show last week. “This year is a challenge,” he added.

It follows similar moves by watch suppliers, which opted to take advantage of the government support to help navigate the industry slowdown after manufacturers cut orders.

Under the program, the Swiss state pays up to 80% of workers’ salaries as companies eliminate shifts and work hours in line with a drop in demand for their products. It’s designed to prevent permanent job cuts for manufacturing industries, such as watchmaking.

The program has been in place for decades but the watch sector tapped it extensively in 2020 when the industry temporarily shut down due to Covid-19. When restrictions were lifted, the watch brands and suppliers brought back furloughed workers and soon rushed to hire more as demand soared.


Around 40 companies in the canton of Jura, a hub for watch component makers, submitted applications for short-time work compensation during the summer, Pierre-Alain Berret, head of the Jura Chamber of Commerce and Industry, told newspaper NZZ last month. The applications represented a significant increase from the start of the year when just five companies had applied.

Swiss watchmakers are suffering from a sharp decline in demand, especially in China, following an unprecedented boom during the post-pandemic era when consumers rushed to buy pricey timepieces. After three straight years of record exports, wholesale watch exports have fallen by 2.4% in value in the first seven months of the year as consumers refrain from splashing out on expensive watches.

The drop in consumer demand has hit brands making slightly less expensive watches the hardest, while top-selling brands such as Rolex and Patek Philippe have been more resilient.

The slowdown has also affected Richemont, the group behind Vacheron Constantin and IWC, and Omega owner Swatch Group AG, which have both seen sales dive in China.


Sowind’s Pruniaux said there are few signs of improvement from the Chinese economy, meaning the industry might only see a partial recovery in 2025. Sowind’s sales will likely be flat or will fall slightly in 2024, he said. That compares with growth of just under 10% last year and a near-doubling of sales in 2022.

Sowind was part of Kering SA until a management buyout in 2022. Its brands produce high-end watches, with some rare Girard-Perregaux models setting buyers back as much as $500,000.

Brave Face
At Geneva Watch Days, the heads of some of the biggest brands were putting on a brave face amid the current pullback.

Breitling AG CEO Georges Kern said some suppliers and watchmakers were making drastic moves in response to the slowdown.

“Some suppliers took six, seven or eight weeks of holidays,” he said. “The talent is to balance and manage your growth both when it’s going up and also when it’s going down,” he said. Breitling expects to increase sales slightly this year, he added, citing a recent improvement in the US.

Jean-Christophe Babin, the CEO of LVMH-owned jeweler Bulgari, said he expects the crisis in China to persist for months. But Bulgari’s focus on the less volatile women’s watch market and the fact that, unusually, the brand makes the majority of its own cases, dials and movements allows it to adjust production and ride out the slowdown, he said.

Rolf Studer, CEO of Oris, said the independent brand known for its diving watches is hoping to contain a sales decline this year to single digits as the drop in demand is being made worse by the continued strength of the Swiss franc. This squeezes profit and increases relative prices for already nervous consumers.

“You’re not going to buy a mechanical watch if you think your next year won’t be as good financially,” Studer said.
 
They’re starting to do pop ups around the country. They’re coming to Seattle this weekend. I’m sure it’s going to be a lot easier to cop moving forward.


also because of the article i posted above, market is down and theyre trying their best to sell anything they can

on my recent visit to the AD, I was also offered plenty of gold cased rolexes, skydweller, yachtmasters and even the bluesy... 6 months ago you cant walk in and grab any of those outside of maybe the everose 37mm yachmaster
 
Love the color but €39k though? Sheesh
I kinda wanna look for something that matches my jewelry setup a bit more closely but it seems dials matching my emerald or pink sapphire (kinda violet) are either extremely expensive or ladies’ watches.

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That FC moonphase is almost a great watch, but the details kill it for me: 40mm is a tad too big for that style, the railroad track also doesn’t fit for the style, and the case is too meh.

The white gold + green dial is gorgeous though.
 

The purple into black looks fantastic.


Back to general discussion…
Man how are there so few watches with a pink/violet dial? Literally all but one I’ve found (which was from Frederique Constant) were ladies’ watches, and I didn’t like the overall design. :smh:

What probably makes it harder is the way my setup looks. (See pics in spoiler below)
On the one hand, my two-tone Tudor is a perfect fit for the overall theme of combining yellow gold with white gold but the same could be said about most two-tone watches with a bracelet.

I’m not very fluent in watch terminology but what I do know is that I like minimalist designs like Frederique Constant’s Slimline signature series, or my Tudor in the spoiler photos.
What I generally do not like is chronographs and ‘overly busy’ dials. Not a fan of the clutter, regardless of how useful it could be.

Green dials are slightly less hard to come by for men but the price is often huge. I’d have to switch my whole jewelry setup around though, just to accommodate a green dial watch. Which seems like a hassle due to differing ring sizes per hand.

I don’t wanna clog the thread with jewelry, hence the spoiler.
I couldn’t find a pic of my pink sapphire ring and I’m too lazy to get out of bed but the ring is a thin design with a small amount of diamonds to make the pink sapphire stand out. It’s also in white gold to fit the two-tone theme on the left.
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Whereas on the right I just fully dedicated it to yellow gold.
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Bought my copy from Amazon. If anyone is looking to cop I'd advise going there as it's cheaper than the listed price as well.

Also thanks for the heads up on the Timex x Hodinkee waterbury. I managed to pick one up for £100 shipped. Nice little watch.
 
SU releasing this salmon monopusher soon. 2k shocked me at first, but I guess not bad considering the movement. Seems like a diff target market at that price though.

 
SU releasing this salmon monopusher soon. 2k shocked me at first, but I guess not bad considering the movement. Seems like a diff target market at that price though.


I don’t love the name of the movement written on the dial, but I like SU’s monopushers. The chrono counter being bigger than the running seconds is quirky in a good way - similar to the Longines Big Eye.
 
I don’t love the name of the movement written on the dial, but I like SU’s monopushers. The chrono counter being bigger than the running seconds is quirky in a good way - similar to the Longines Big Eye.
Agree. Also could do without the assembled in Britain text.
 
another day, another attempted rolex roberry



its crazy too, i was in LA eating with my friends at restaurant in a patio by the street corner last night and they asked why i wasnt wearing my rolex and i told them about pearsall being shot for it so i decided to wear my black tank to avoid too much attention then i get home and read this
 
I changed from a bracelet to a NATO strap on one of my beater watches for the first time. Absolutely had me in hell. Glad a I practiced on a cheap watch. Does a spring bar tool make it a lot easier?
 
That FC moonphase is almost a great watch, but the details kill it for me: 40mm is a tad too big for that style, the railroad track also doesn’t fit for the style, and the case is too meh.

The white gold + green dial is gorgeous though.

37mm but quartz though but that also makes it quite thin





but for around $1k and probable ~30%-40% off disco in about a year from now, its not too bad

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