"The Last Dance" Michael Jordan & Chicago Bulls Docuseries

[KHUFU]

Having an afro

It can be argued that the 70's black athlete(OJ and Dr J) paved the way for Mike. Late 70's to 80's black athletes Magic, Ozzie Smith and Walter Payton weren't political.

There's a big difference in the Jim Brown, Ali and Kareem generation that came out of the 50's and 60's and the one in the 70's and 80's. Kareem, Reggie Jackson, George Foreman and OJ was the division line.

Also you have to consider where and how someone grew up. Kareem grew up in New York and became muslim.

It's really a misnomer that all of the black athletes were involved in the movement.

Your blissful ignorance is even more comical.

This sort of imagery was incredibly threatening to the establishment. Anything connected to such, was considered rebellion.

 

[KHUFU]

 

[Magic33]

Your blissful ignorance is even more comical.

This sort of imagery was incredibly threatening to the establishment. Anything connected to such, was considered rebellion.

Stop trolling

 

[KHUFU]

Stop trolling

No, you stop trolling. OJ was on the record stating that he was not Black and that he was OJ.

 

[Magic33]

No, you stop trolling. OJ was on the record stating that he was not Black and that he was OJ.

but he has that threatening afro

 

[babyface34]

Considering the standards of living for the black male athlete of any time, but especially during the 80's and '90's, the example that Jordan set for the black community was so positive, that it's been taken for granted in many respects. The truth of the matter is, while all the back and forth about whether he should've/could've/would've keeps running on the hamster wheel, he did more than "enough" of his share to move the community further than it was, simply by excelling at his craft.

 

[KHUFU]

but he has that threatening afro

OJ had a closed cropped cut, up until 'fros became a style. Take a look at his pics from USC. He never wanted to be connected to Blackness. It is just like LOCS today. There was a time that locs had a spiritual connection, deeper meaning. For those in Jamaica, they rocked locs to create a DREADED appearance. Before that locs were a part of African culture, for many tribes. Now it is simply a style for many. Even white people try and get locs, just like with the Jewish fro back in the mid seventies.

There was a political statement made through your looks and behavior back in the sixties, early seventies.

Doc was about that life, and never hid it.

 

[danikerhino]

That does not sound like it is my problem, to be quite honest.

That said, professional sports is corporate America. During that time, the late sixties and early seventies, wearing your hair in what was called a Natural was a big deal. Most athletes were encouraged to be clean cut, then not going against the grain, play within the system, and then do not try and buck the political system through such imagery. For a Black man to look and then play with flair and speak as Doc did, it was a pretty big deal. It may not seem to be a big deal right now, but during his time, what Doc was doing was revolutionary. He was criticized for not having the corporate NBA look, and that he played in an illegitimate league, which was not professional because of their look and flair. The difference between the NBA and ABA was not only stylistic, but also was ABA had more Black players than the NBA during their run in the late sixties, early seventies. Doc was the face of the ABA, and he did it while not denying his Blackness. He never went the OJ Simpson route.

If you haven't do a little research on the man, as there was even a recent documentary on him.

I get all of the history, but alot of black players rocked an afro in the 70s and 80s. It was definitely a political statement in the late 60s and early 70s, but also people just had it because it became in style, even white dudes had fros. In the 80s, people just seem to start rocking fades or low and even haircuts more, so we can't hold that against MJ nor can we just automatically praise Dr. J for having a fro in that style's heyday.

 

[KHUFU]

I get all of the history, but alot of black players rocked an afro in the 70s and 80s. It was definitely a political statement in the late 60s and early 70s, but also people just had it because it became in style, even white dudes had fros. In the 80s, people just seem to start rocking fades or low and even haircuts more, so we can't hold that against MJ nor can we just automatically praise Dr. J for having a fro in that style's heyday.

First of all, Jordan has never stood for anything, other than himself. The whole point of activism, especially Black activism, is to understand that imagery is incredibly important in regard to the uplifting of Black people. Since 1619 Black people were told that due to the color of our skin, we are not worthy of a humanist approach. You are told that you are unattractive, that your skin is too dark, nose is too big, lips too full, hair too nappy, yet the counterpart was told that because they had the supposed opposite? That this somehow made them superior.

Understanding the time that Doc and Kareem came into the professional ranks, they indeed were revolutionary in their game, look and style. They were not trying to look white, nor act white. They did not try and fit in. For Doc to be the face of the ABA AND NBA, then adopting a non conformist attitude? Was a huge step politically, especially given the image that he CHOSE to convey. This kept him connected so that he could go back to Rucker Park, or anywhere else Black, and then be respected. He never had body guards up at the Rucker, as he was protected. The image that he projected, was that he was one of us, just like Ali. This was incredibly important being only a few years removed from Brown v. Board of Ed.

But hey, you seem to be stuck on the hair thing.

Cool.

 

[danikerhino]

That does not sound like it is my problem, to be quite honest.

That said, professional sports is corporate America. During that time, the late sixties and early seventies, wearing your hair in what was called a Natural was a big deal. Most athletes were encouraged to be clean cut, then not going against the grain, play within the system, and then do not try and buck the political system through such imagery. For a Black man to look and then play with flair and speak as Doc did, it was a pretty big deal. It may not seem to be a big deal right now, but during his time, what Doc was doing was revolutionary. He was criticized for not having the corporate NBA look, and that he played in an illegitimate league, which was not professional because of their look and flair. The difference between the NBA and ABA was not only stylistic, but also was ABA had more Black players than the NBA during their run in the late sixties, early seventies. Doc was the face of the ABA, and he did it while not denying his Blackness. He never went the OJ Simpson route.

If you haven't do a little research on the man, as there was even a recent documentary on him.

You haven't shown one shred of evidence regarding Dr. J speaking about racism or addressing any black issues. Alot of players looked and played with the style that you keep praising Dr. J on. Do you expect me to just believe your statement without anything to back it up? All your saying is Dr. J was more pro-black than MJ because he played stylistically and rocked a fro and telling me to do more research regarding anything else.

 

[KHUFU]

You haven't shown one shred of evidence regarding Dr. J speaking about racism or addressing any black issues. Alot of players looked and played with the style that you keep praising Dr. J on. Do you expect me to just believe your statement without anything to back it up? All your saying is Dr. J was more pro-black than MJ because he played stylistically and rocked a fro and telling me to do more research regarding anything else.

Yes, you should want to do your own research, why take my word?
I mean, we surely do not have to look too far to find what Jordan hasn't done.
I defer to the documentary on Doc, and his actions in regard to that proof.
You don't believe it? Tough.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

I don't like this dude above me

 

[danikerhino]

Yes, you should want to do your own research, why take my word?
I mean, we surely do not have to look too far to find what Jordan hasn't done.
I defer to the documentary on Doc, and his actions in regard to that proof.
You don't believe it? Tough.

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that you're claiming that he did more for black people compared to MJ yet you give no evidence. Why should I do research on it when you're the one that brought it up with little proof, what sense does that make? You just bring radical statements without any background other than your assumptions such as rocking a fro and playing a certain way.

 

[KHUFU]

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that you're claiming that he did more for black people compared to MJ yet you give no evidence. Why should I do research on it when you're the one that brought it up with little proof, what sense does that make? You just bring radical statements without any background other than your assumptions such as rocking a fro and playing a certain way.

Quote where I said that Doc did more for Black people. I’ll wait.

 

[danikerhino]

Quote where I said that Doc did more for Black people. I’ll wait.

You're right, I misphrased that. Represent is what I meant.

 

[mjwizkid]

Don't forget that was a 4.6 Sport Range.

Yo, yo dog, what’s the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6?
Like 30 to 40 grand, &^%$#@!&&, beat it!

 

[TURBO UNO]

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

He's from New York , DR . J is a long island kid so him playing at Rucker means something to him

 

[Grine]

 

[danikerhino]

I can

I think that's the competitor in him, or he was just a hater.

 

[SpittaJetLife]

I remember this. I want to cry.

 

[cedric ceballos]

I hope they talk about worms wrestling antocs during the 98 finals

1998 Rodman was the man. Told an 11 time championship winning coach he needed time off to go to Vegas to bang Carmen Electra for a few nights. Came back late and missed a few practices, showed up on Monday nitro during the finals and proceeded to drive Karl Malone nuts in those same finals while winning his 5th title and that summer headlined a few WCW ppvs with Hulk Hogan.

 

[cedric ceballos]

I really wish we could’ve got Spurs Bulls in 1999. Would’ve been a good matchup. Duncan and a stoll very good Robinson along with a pretty talented Spurs team would’ve made for a good series.

That Spurs team was underrated too. Swept the Lakers and Blazers and dominated the playoffs. Was unstoppable that season after an initial slow start.

 

[babyface34]

I hope they talk about worms wrestling antocs during the 98 finals

His '96 summer vacation alone was monumental

 

[SpittaJetLife]

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