"The Last Dance" Michael Jordan & Chicago Bulls Docuseries

[finessence]

I love how candid and honest Scottie and MJ are. Straight alpha

Scottie funny and goofy as hell

 

[finessence]

Yup. Many millennials do not know who Dr.J even is, nor how he carried himself not only as an athlete, but as a Black man as well. Big fro, Black schoolyard game, defying that of the NBA and their old school regimented style of play. Doc was that dude.

..... you also know Dr. J cheated on his wife and beat on her sever times?? NOBODY is perfect. Separate the professional/talent and personal life of these people.

If you had to idolize and mimic every trait of your favorite athlete or entertainer, more often than not, you’re going to indulge in some BAD behavior.

Dr. j wasn’t perfect. Read his autobiography. I respect someone like Jordan who SHOWS you who he is from jump. Than someone who fakes it forever, until being exposed.

Again, Dr. J beat and cheated on his wife. Everyone has skeletons

 

[finessence]

Jordan a STUNNER. Red Range Rover with TWO TREY license plate???

 

[KHUFU]

..... you also know Dr. J cheated on his wife and beat on her sever times?? NOBODY is perfect. Separate the professional/talent and personal life of these people.

If you had to idolize and mimic every trait of your favorite athlete or entertainer, more often than not, you’re going to indulge in some BAD behavior.

Dr. j wasn’t perfect. Read his autobiography. I respect someone like Jordan who SHOWS you who he is from jump. Than someone who fakes it forever, until being exposed.

Again, Dr. J beat and cheated on his wife. Everyone has skeletons

Muhammad Ali also had a ton of children by different women. However, both Dr.J and Muhammad Ali never, ever, shrunk in the spotlight when it came to the subject of Blackness and the socio political aspirations of such. Jordan failed miserably. Since I am not a conformist of the Abrahamic faiths, I do not believe in “cheating” as some sort of moral barometer anyway. Marriage as a concept has been used, misused, as some sort of measure of character by those from the Abrahamic faiths. Marriage was created in order to exchange property, of which women were considered. That said, anyone who participates through the law of marriage in according to those faiths, are already committing abuse. So, yeah, there is major irony in what you’ve presented as a point of fact, that somehow the flawed character of Jordan, is somehow equal to that of men who stood for the greater cause, outside of themselves.

 

[Grine]

 

[Arthur Shelby]

 

[SC kid]

Slept on the practice shorts.

Cant find them anywhere now

 

[Magic33]

Muhammad Ali also had a ton of children by different women. However, both Dr.J and Muhammad Ali never, ever, shrunk in the spotlight when it came to the subject of Blackness and the socio political aspirations of such. Jordan failed miserably. Since I am not a conformist of the Abrahamic faiths, I do not believe in “cheating” as some sort of moral barometer anyway. Marriage as a concept has been used, misused, as some sort of measure of character by those from the Abrahamic faiths. Marriage was created in order to exchange property, of which women were considered. That said, anyone who participates through the law of marriage in according to those faiths, are already committing abuse. So, yeah, there is major irony in what you’ve presented as a point of fact, that somehow the flawed character of Jordan, is somehow equal to that of men who stood for the greater cause, outside of themselves.

Dr J?

What political movement was he in?

 

[KHUFU]

Dr J?

What political movement was he in?

Being a non conformist in the early seventies made you political. The Afro at that time was a sign of resistance. Doc embraced that and quite a few other things. His look and pro black actions were a political statement, action. Understanding that time, is worth the research. The beginnings of the Black Power movement.

 

[Fozz]

Man, I want Chicago 1s now lol.

 

[langfor5]

Jordan a STUNNER. Red Range Rover with TWO TREY license plate???

Don't forget that was a 4.6 Sport Range.

Yo, yo dog, what’s the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6?
Like 30 to 40 grand, &^%$#@!&&, beat it!

 

[shogun]

I never knew anything about Scottie until people were talking about how future was messing with his wife and he was trying to get her back. Also the story an nt’er told, forgot who it was that Scottie was at some college bar trying to scoop up all their women.

 

[lamekilla]

Being a non conformist in the early seventies made you political. The Afro at that time was a sign of resistance. Doc embraced that and quite a few other things. His look and pro black actions were a political statement, action. Understanding that time, is worth the research. The beginnings of the Black Power movement.

Mike is from that time though. He lived this. Could he have done more to speak about plights in the black community and build more toward progressive opportunities for us, yeah of course no doubt about it. But I’m not mad that he took the neutral route. Doors could’ve closed on him really fast and muted his opportunity to ever have a stance. Mike a wild boy, he’s the bruhs. He knows how to have a good time. He’s not as clean as Jackie or an Ali or even a Lebron. He has some sketchy things around him that he got a pass on because he had a great marketing and image team around him. Media already was trying to catch him slipping. Those Atlantic station trips, court testimonies about owing shady cats money, his pops more than mysterious death and his 1st retirement (suspension) don’t get glossed over if he started speaking up. He settled for only being the best basketball player ever and depending on who you ask, the biggest fashion icon of the 20th century, nothing more. That’s good in my book

 

[danikerhino]

Being a non conformist in the early seventies made you political. The Afro at that time was a sign of resistance. Doc embraced that and quite a few other things. His look and pro black actions were a political statement, action. Understanding that time, is worth the research. The beginnings of the Black Power movement.

So Dr. J was more pro-black than MJ because he had a fro when afros were more popular?

 

[danikerhino]

Mike is from that time though. He lived this. Could he have done more to speak about plights in the black community and build more toward progressive opportunities for us, yeah of course no doubt about it. But I’m not mad that he took the neutral route. Doors could’ve closed on him really fast and muted his opportunity to ever have a stance. Mike a wild boy, he’s the bruhs. He knows how to have a good time. He’s not as clean as Jackie or an Ali or even a Lebron. He has some sketchy things around him that he got a pass on because he had a great marketing and image team around him. Media already was trying to catch him slipping. Those Atlantic station trips, court testimonies about owing shady cats money, his pops more than mysterious death and his 1st retirement (suspension) don’t get glossed over if he started speaking up. He settled for only being the best basketball player ever and depending on who you ask, the biggest fashion icon of the 20th century, nothing more. That’s good in my book

I agree with this, I don't think MJ isn't nearly as conscious as Ali, LBJ, Wade, Jim Brown, etc. But that goes back to people just being different and focusing on different things. His interests we're about being the best athlete in his sport and gambling. I do wish he would have stood up for more issues such as the LA riots/Rodney King, shared experiences of inequality, etc. But I also believe that in the 90s, the media didn't ask athletes about politics compared the 70s and 2010s. Even in the 2000s, there wasn't much dialogue on this manner when it comes to reporters asking athletes racial issues or incidences on news.

 

[TURBO UNO]

 

[KHUFU]

So Dr. J was more pro-black than MJ because he had a fro when afros were more popular?

If that is all you got from what was posted? I do not know what to tell you.

 

[Magic33]

Being a non conformist in the early seventies made you political. The Afro at that time was a sign of resistance. Doc embraced that and quite a few other things. His look and pro black actions were a political statement, action. Understanding that time, is worth the research. The beginnings of the Black Power movement.

Having an afro

It can be argued that the 70's black athlete(OJ and Dr J) paved the way for Mike. Late 70's to 80's black athletes Magic, Ozzie Smith and Walter Payton weren't political.

There's a big difference in the Jim Brown, Ali and Kareem generation that came out of the 50's and 60's and the one in the 70's and 80's. Kareem, Reggie Jackson, George Foreman and OJ was the division line.

Also you have to consider where and how someone grew up. Kareem grew up in New York and became muslim.

It's really a misnomer that all of the black athletes were involved in the movement.

 

[danikerhino]

If that is all you got from what was posted? I do not know what to tell you.

Being a non conformist in the early seventies made you political. The Afro at that time was a sign of resistance. Doc embraced that and quite a few other things. His look and pro black actions were a political statement, action. Understanding that time, is worth the research. The beginnings of the Black Power movement.

You mentioned that him having a fro and "pro black actions" made him political. You didn't divulge on any other details besides him having a fro. I don't know what to tell you if you'd think that I could get more out of your post.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

Do we even know if it was possible for MJ to grow an Afro ? He had bald patches in his head by 88'

 

[KHUFU]

You mentioned that him having a fro and "pro black actions" made him political. You didn't divulge on any other details besides him having a fro. I don't know what to tell you if you'd think that I could get more out of your post.

That does not sound like it is my problem, to be quite honest.

That said, professional sports is corporate America. During that time, the late sixties and early seventies, wearing your hair in what was called a Natural was a big deal. Most athletes were encouraged to be clean cut, then not going against the grain, play within the system, and then do not try and buck the political system through such imagery. For a Black man to look and then play with flair and speak as Doc did, it was a pretty big deal. It may not seem to be a big deal right now, but during his time, what Doc was doing was revolutionary. He was criticized for not having the corporate NBA look, and that he played in an illegitimate league, which was not professional because of their look and flair. The difference between the NBA and ABA was not only stylistic, but also was ABA had more Black players than the NBA during their run in the late sixties, early seventies. Doc was the face of the ABA, and he did it while not denying his Blackness. He never went the OJ Simpson route.

If you haven't do a little research on the man, as there was even a recent documentary on him.

 

[IATT]

 

[atxhitter03]

I hope they talk about worms wrestling antocs during the 98 finals

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

2s are SO UNDERRATED!!!

 

[TURBO UNO]

2s are SO UNDERRATED!!!

Especially THAT colorway. It’s my favorite one along with the Melo version